FDA Conversation with Senator Isakson's Legislative Assistant for the HELP Committee

Status
Not open for further replies.

wv2win

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Feb 10, 2009
11,879
9,045
GA by way of WV
I had a 30 - 40 minute phone conversation with US Senator Isakson's (GA) Legislative Assistant for the the HELP Committee on the letter I sent the Senator on Senator Harkin's committee hearing on the FDA's Deeming Regulations. I had not received a reply to my letter in almost a week, so I called the DC office, found out who the LA was and left him a message expressing my disappointment. He called me back personally. I asked if I could share the "gist" of our conversation with other vapers and he said that would be fine. I think this conversation bares significance to Jman's thread on Congress being able to stop the Deeming Regulations. Here is the thread with the letter I sent Senator Isakson (post #172):

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ommittee-thursday-2-30pm-18.html#post13158902

Here is the summary of our conversation. Nothing earth shattering (which I would not have expected) but I think still enlightening:


1. The Senator is not in favor of the FDA taking any action relative to electronic cigarettes. He believes they are not effectively handling their major responsibilities as it is and that electronic cigarettes are not an area they should be interfering with.

2. He is aware of and concerned about the effect of the Deeming Regulations on small vaping businesses in Georgia. I played up this angle and pointed out just how many new vaping businesses have started in Georgia in the last year employing typically 5 - 15 people each. He stated that two months ago a small vaping business owner visited the Senator in Washington to voice his concerns about regulation.

3. That Senators Alexander especially, as well as Senator Burr, are taking the "lead" from a Republican standpoint on the HELP committee on the regulation of electronic cigarettes. My sense was that Senator Isakson is depending on Senators Alexander and Burr to keep him up to date on this issue. But I really don't know how this all works.

4. I reiterated the point I made in my letter that these Senators need to reach out to CASAA, Bill Godshall and Dr Siegel as a counter-weight to Zeller and McAfee. I also reminded him to look at the study links I referenced in my letter.

5. I brought up the recent study out of the UK in the Addiction publication on the effectiveness of vaping as a means to stop smoking. A real positive after telling him this, is that he stated that he knew it worked because several of his personal friends were able to stop smoking by switching to vaping. This type of first hand personal experience by those in powerful positions in the government can be one of our best allies. He did warn that cessation claims could lead to a taxation issue. I didn't pursue this statement although it did not make sense to me as I don't believe there are additional taxes on other cessation products.

6. He made a specific point that if the mid-term elections result in a change in the leadership of the Senate, then our concerns would basically disappear. He made this point more than once. I believe Bill Godshall has been making the same point. This change alone could push back any possible regulation for years and allow the vaping community to grow larger and stronger.

Based on this conversation, I plan to send Senator's Alexander and Burr a copy of my letter to Senator Isakson. The LA was not sure how much attention will be paid to letters from citizens outside their state. My thinking is that if they get enough letters, then they can report back to other senators that this is a nationwide concern. I believe we need to emphasize the economic impact these regulations will have in destroying small business and costing jobs. And we all need to be talking with our local and online vendors so they understand the gun to their heads.

I also strongly believe that no matter your personal political persuasion, that for this particular mid-term election, it would almost assuredly benefit the vaping community if the control of the Senate changed hands.
 
Last edited:

BuGlen

Divergent
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Mar 6, 2012
1,952
3,976
Tampa, Florida
<snip...>
6. He made a specific point that if the mid-term elections result in a change in the leadership of the Senate, then our concerns would basically disappear. He made this point more than once. I believe Bill Godshall has been making the same point. This change alone could push back any possible regulation for years and allow the vaping community to grow larger and stronger.

Based on this conversation, I plan to send Senator's Alexander and Burr a copy of my letter to Senator Isakson. The LA was not sure how much attention will be paid to letters from citizens outside their state. My thinking is that if they get enough letters, then they can report back to other senators that this is a nationwide concern. I believe we need to emphasize the economic impact these regulations will have in destroying small business and costing jobs. And we all need to be talking with our local and online vendors so they understand the gun to their heads.

I also strongly believe that no matter your personal political persuasion, that for this particular mid-term election, it would almost assuredly benefit the vaping community if the control of the Senate changed hands.

It's very good to hear that Senator's Alexander and Burr appear to be on our side in this struggle, and that's always good news. However, point #6 that you made should be taken with a grain of salt, because that's the standard line of any party politician in any party. As much as I'd like to believe he has some inside information and that much influence over his fellow party members, you'll have to forgive me if I remain cautious and say, yes, we've heard that before.

In any case, I applaud you for reaching out to the Senators and being so persistent in getting them to listen. :toast:
 

wv2win

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Feb 10, 2009
11,879
9,045
GA by way of WV
It's very good to hear that Senator's Alexander and Burr appear to be on our side in this struggle, and that's always good news. However, point #6 that you made should be taken with a grain of salt, because that's the standard line of any party politician in any party. As much as I'd like to believe he has some inside information and that much influence over his fellow party members, you'll have to forgive me if I remain cautious and say, yes, we've heard that before.

In any case, I applaud you for reaching out to the Senators and being so persistent in getting them to listen. :toast:

I disagree with your skepticism in this particular situation. Of course, staff of any party wants their party to be the majority and leading the country's agenda. But in this case, on the issue of vaping, it just makes too much sense that with a change in the leadership of the Senate, the FDA's drive to regulate vaping out of existence would stop. Senator's like Burr, Alexander and Isakson do not want to see additional regulation in any segment of the economy and they definitely do not want to see small businesses driven out of existence.

Plus, there is NOTHING to be gained by keeping the current senate leadership in power from a vaping standpoint. At the bare minimum our situation would not get any worse with a change but it has a huge potential to get better. Thinking otherwise really makes no sense what so ever.

And thank you for the "thumbs up" on getting to the Senator's staff.
 
Last edited:

wv2win

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Feb 10, 2009
11,879
9,045
GA by way of WV
I don't think a "regime" change in the Senate is going to cure our ills. Congress would need to step up their game and either pass legislation that declares e-cigarettes are not tobacco products, or remove the FDAs authority to do so. Honestly? I don't see either happening.

If the HELP committee does not support the changes proposed on electronic cigarettes moving forward, then they won't move forward or be enacted. The FDA can keep their oversight but still not be able to makes these regulations a law if they don't have the support. This can provide the industry at least 4 more years to grow and become much stronger. And there is always the possibility that in 2016, Mitch Zeller will be gone.

Doing the same thing over and over, again and expecting a different result, is the definition of insanity.
 
Last edited:

GaryInTexas

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 20, 2013
1,439
4,477
NE Texas, USA
Excellent report wv2win. Gives me a nudge of optimism. As time moves forward with positive reports and studies continuing to come out, it will be more difficult for the Harkins and Durbins of the world to effectively destroy vaping. A few good soldiers in the Senate trenches can help delay and direct vaping regs in a more positive way.
 

SeniorBoy

VapeFight.com Founder
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
May 21, 2013
1,738
5,168
Las Vegas, NV
vapefight.com
@wv2win - Outstanding work! While "Forum Chatter" about this or that detail/sentence/word/nuisance in the hundreds of pages of regs has it's place, it pales in comparison to effectively and actually reaching out to legislators who will (not if) determine our collective future.

:)
 

wv2win

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Feb 10, 2009
11,879
9,045
GA by way of WV
@wv2win - Outstanding work! While "Forum Chatter" about this or that detail/sentence/word/nuisance in the hundreds of pages of regs has it's place, it pales in comparison to effectively and actually reaching out to legislators who will (not if) determine our collective future.

:)

Thanks, SeniorBoy, much appreciated. I had to call several times over a weeks time frame to finally be able to leave a message for the right Legislative Assistant. I'm sure it helped that my Senator is actually on the committee that oversees the FDA. But I think we all need to be as persistent as we can be in letting our House and Senate representatives know that this is an important issue for us.
 

wv2win

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Feb 10, 2009
11,879
9,045
GA by way of WV
Very good news! Thanks for sharing wv2win.

Jman, I thought that this exchange with the Legislative Assistant was particularly relevant to your thread earlier in the week on Congress. A change in the leadership of the Senate most likely would have a significant positive impact on vaping. At the least, I think these regulations would be put on hold indefinitely.
 

Tom Servo

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Mar 3, 2014
282
1,439
United States
WV, that's phenomenal work!

So far, Chambliss has never been responsive, and I've yet to hear back from Kingston or Perdue, who are competing to replace him.

6. He made a specific point that if the mid-term elections result in a change in the leadership of the Senate, then our concerns would basically disappear. He made this point more than once. I believe Bill Godshall has been making the same point. This change alone could push back any possible regulation for years and allow the vaping community to grow larger and stronger.

I don't know that our concerns will disappear, but if we have seats being filled with new legislators, we'll have to start convincing those guys from scratch.
 

wv2win

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Feb 10, 2009
11,879
9,045
GA by way of WV
WV, that's phenomenal work!

So far, Chambliss has never been responsive, and I've yet to hear back from Kingston or Perdue, who are competing to replace him.



I don't know that our concerns will disappear, but if we have seats being filled with new legislators, we'll have to start convincing those guys from scratch.

New senators tend to follow the lead of the party elders as that is their path to committee assignments they prefer. Perdue and Kingston are not my first choices but better that than having the senate stay in the hands of Senators like Harkins, Boxer, Durbin, etc.
 

Luisa

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 8, 2010
690
419
harlingen,texas
Excellent report wv2win. Gives me a nudge of optimism. As time moves forward with positive reports and studies continuing to come out, it will be more difficult for the Harkins and Durbins of the world to effectively destroy vaping. A few good soldiers in the Senate trenches can help delay and direct vaping regs in a more positive way.
We need just more than a "few".
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread