FDA Conversation with Senator Isakson's Legislative Assistant for the HELP Committee

[Kent C]

That is a good way to think about it, even though he is not your representative.

He's more 'representative' than the one I have. And another thing, Federal representatives are supposed to represent on "Federal" issues, but what they do is 'bring home the bacon' for their states/distrricts (leaving the pork chops and pork loins in Washington DC, btw

I want my Federal representatives to ask why we negotiate with terrorists, or why should we expand medicare to prescription drugs, not tell constituents that they got Federal funding for the new local Farmers' Market, where nobody no longer goes because of parking, high prices and because the newness has worn off.

 

[DC2]

I'd give you a straight up trade for Bob Menendez and Cory Booker.....NJ is so stupid...

Seriously? I'm going to take you up on that RIGHT NOW before you change your mind.

 

[DC2]

If you ever get a chance to vote Tom McClintock for Senate, please do so..... a Club for Growth, libertarian leaning Representative from your 4th district. Speaking on the very act before us now. But from 2009. What he says makes just as much sense today as it did then....

No problem. I'll vote for ANYBODY that isn't Dianne Feinstein or Barbara Boxer.
I'll vote for a head of iceberg lettuce if I have to.

 

[Kent C]

I'm afraid to watch it and see what he says. The amount of sheer stupidity in this state just begs belief -- and I'm FROM here! That's why I found it so surprising that Isakson is supporting us -- maybe not particularly *US* but supporting sanity vs. insanity and greed.

And the TV news in Atlanta... When all that tripe about ejuice being "dangerous" was going around, the bouffant smiling chicks were reporting it like it was Holy Writ or something.

Andria

Lol.... Synopsis for Lewis, Pelosi and the Prez vids..... It's all about using kids as human shields for regulation against adults.

 

[Anjaffm]

It's all about using kids as human shields for regulation against adults.

I love your way of putting this!
Mind if I use it?

 

[Kent C]

I love your way of putting this!
Mind if I use it?

Go for it As I said before, if they really care about kids, they'd save their parents by not regulating ecigs.

To me, and perhaps just to me, in the very essence of such a move, it's the same as how terrorists use children. They take the natural affinity that people have for children and use that in order to distract, and protect themselves from harm, while they harm the lives of others.

 

[AndriaD]

Lol.... Synopsis for Lewis, Pelosi and the Prez vids..... It's all about using kids as human shields for regulation against adults.

Hmm... that reminds me of Hussein using children as shields against incoming missiles. Very similar, in fact -- cowardly, cold-blooded, and stupid.

Andria

 

[Kent C]

Hmm... that reminds me of Hussein using children as shields against incoming missiles. Very similar, in fact -- cowardly, cold-blooded, and stupid.

Andria

It's Hussein-lite. Like I said, it's the same essence/concept involved - to protect themselves while they do harm. But of course the actual harm is of a different magnitude.

 

[LDS714]

It's Hussein-lite. Like I said, it's the same essence/concept involved - to protect themselves while they do harm. But of course the actual harm is of a different magnitude.

Difficult for those who die from the actions of either to argue...

 

[Anjaffm]

Go for it As I said before, if they really care about kids, they'd save their parents by not regulating ecigs.

To me, and perhaps just to me, in the very essence of such a move, it's the same as how terrorists use children. They take the natural affinity that people have for children and use that in order to distract, and protect themselves from harm, while they harm the lives of others.

Excellent! Yes, you hit the nail right on the head. They use "children" as shields to protect themselves while doing harm to others.

And I will gladly use your great wording!

 

[Tom Servo]

To me, and perhaps just to me, in the very essence of such a move, it's the same as how terrorists use children. They take the natural affinity that people have for children and use that in order to distract, and protect themselves from harm, while they harm the lives of others.

Children have been used as political tools in all sorts of political debates over the years. Greg Gutfield did a great segment on the issue a few weeks back.

 

[SeniorBoy]

So...the real question for me has never been the deplorable and self serving "protect the children" angle. That's unfortunately a given. The real question/issue is how do we turn the tables, leverage, and mobilize the millions of voting age "kids" and "children" against the FDA to remove them from the equation. Try this:

- Celebrities who vape!!!! For example, Leonardo Dicaprio has over 10 million Twitter followers. Cable channels would salivate at the opportunity to interview him. Please note, I'm not asking you to like any vaping celebrity. I'm not asking you to buy into the "role model" talk. For better or worse, they influence. I could care less if they can sing, dance, act, perform or run down Times Square scantly clad. If he or she of this ilk advances our casue that's all that ever matters to me. Also note, it's reasonable to assume that most celebrity "fans" are not vapers. Who cares. They are "voices" in our collective Congressional effort. Yea! I also try and perform some research so when I heard about "Rush" who for better or worse is also a "celebrity" I read and listened. See: Rush Limbaugh Rips New York Times Over E-Cigarette Article In his own and unique way he advanced our cause. That's all that matters to me. Their is no room in this "Fight" for my own likes and dislikes. Call me agnostic if you wish

- I sure don't want to step on anyone's toes but where is the creative thinking. I've told anyone who will listen to submit to the FDA but far more importantly get ready for Congress. NON VAPERS should be enlisted today and more importantly when we reach the Congressional battleground. Real stories from first hand positive observations and maybe a few tears from a non vaping spouse, SO, grand child, son, daughter, friend, etc. All directed at Congress in a civil and respectful fashion. I'm willing to bet my last dollar that all of "you" have someone on planet earth or mars who has seen the positive impact of vaping on "you" and is not a vaper.

 

[Kent C]

Difficult for those who die from the actions of either to argue...

Yes. I should have said that the level of violence is of a different magnitude. The harm could actually be worse.

 

[AndriaD]

So...the real question for me has never been the deplorable and self serving "protect the children" angle. That's unfortunately a given. The real question/issue is how do we turn the tables, leverage, and mobilize the millions of voting age "kids" and "children" against the FDA to remove them from the equation. Try this:

- Celebrities who vape!!!! For example, Leonardo Dicaprio has over 10 million Twitter followers. Cable channels would salivate at the opportunity to interview him. Please note, I'm not asking you to like any vaping celebrity. I'm not asking you to buy into the "role model" talk. For better or worse, they influence. I could care less if they can sing, dance, act, perform or run down Times Square scantly clad. If he or she of this ilk advances our casue that's all that ever matters to me. Also note, it's reasonable to assume that most celebrity "fans" are not vapers. Who cares. They are "voices" in our collective Congressional effort. Yea! I also try and perform some research so when I heard about "Rush" who for better or worse is also a "celebrity" I read and listened. See: Rush Limbaugh Rips New York Times Over E-Cigarette Article In his own and unique way he advanced our cause. That's all that matters to me. Their is no room in this "Fight" for my own likes and dislikes. Call me agnostic if you wish

- I sure don't want to step on anyone's toes but where is the creative thinking. I've told anyone who will listen to submit to the FDA but far more importantly get ready for Congress. NON VAPERS should be enlisted today and more importantly when we reach the Congressional battleground. Real stories from first hand positive observations and maybe a few tears from a non vaping spouse, SO, grand child, son, daughter, friend, etc. All directed at Congress in a civil and respectful fashion. I'm willing to bet my last dollar that all of "you" have someone on planet earth or mars who has seen the positive impact of vaping on "you" and is not a vaper.

*Snicker* I have to say I agree with all of this. I personally despise Limbaugh, but if he's in favor of vaping, it makes me like him.. *somewhat* better. He's an idiot, but maybe not quite as big an idiot as, say, the FDA.

And my husband... he doesn't smoke or vape, but has put up with my smoking for 27 yrs, and is quite amazed and delighted at how easily I've quit cigarettes, thanks to vaping. And thanks to vaping, he'll get to have a wife for probably a lot longer, and not need to come visit me in the hospital while I lay dying of lung cancer. From personal experience (watching my father die), I know how extremely unpleasant and sad that experience is; it would be ever so much worse, to see a beloved spouse in that situation.

Andria

 

[DC2]

Go for it As I said before, if they really care about kids, they'd save their parents by not regulating ecigs.

To me, and perhaps just to me, in the very essence of such a move, it's the same as how terrorists use children. They take the natural affinity that people have for children and use that in order to distract, and protect themselves from harm, while they harm the lives of others.

I don't have any children, which is perhaps why I have no affinity for them whatsoever.
In fact, I find them to be a great bother in general.

And I really have to question the idea of bringing one into the world at this point.

Regardless, I would take a dog any day of the week over a child.
But as always, that's just me.


Anyway, children seem to love me, and I really don't know why.
Perhaps it's because at 6'5" they see me as some sort of giant or something.

But one thing I will say is that "for the children" is how freedom is slowly being destroyed.
Because it engenders the thinking that there must be PROTECTION for these precious little creatures.

Darwin would be disgusted at how the New World Order is working, and who it puts into power.
Sometimes I think Socker Moms are the reason the world is falling apart at the seams.

EDIT: Preparing for hate mail now.

 

[AndriaD]

I don't have any children, which is perhaps why I have no affinity for them whatsoever.
In fact, I find them to be a great bother in general.

And I really have to question the idea of bringing one into the world at this point.

Regardless, I would take a dog any day of the week over a child.
But as always, that's just me.


Anyway, children seem to love me, and I really don't know why.
Perhaps it's because at 6'5" they see me as some sort of giant or something.

But one thing I will say is that "for the children" is how freedom is slowly being destroyed.
Because it engenders the thinking that there must be PROTECTION for these precious little creatures.

Darwin would be disgusted at how the New World Order is working, and who it puts into power.
Sometimes I think Socker Moms are the reason the world is falling apart at the seams.

EDIT: Preparing for hate mail now.

ROFL!!!! Until I had a child, 26 yrs ago, I felt exactly the same about kids -- people would say things like "oooh I love my kids," and I'd just think "WHY????" Now, I realize that most of the problems that kids create are not actually the kids' fault -- it's the lackbrain parents, who don't restrain or discipline them in any way. When our son was about 7 yrs old, we saw some kid just come back to his mom "I ain't gonna do that," after she just gave him a direct order, and all she had to say about that was "wait till your dad gets home". We asked our boy what he thought would happen if he acted that way -- he said, "I think I'd be picking myself up off the floor if I said that to either of you." Maybe not LITERALLY accurate, we aren't child abusers, but pretty close, and his awareness of proper behavior and proper discipline, at the age of 7, just goes to show you that kids aren't stupid -- they'll do whatever they think they can get away with. We, or at least, *I* always got a lot more exercised about the few behavior issues our son had in school, than about any academic issues; we always told him, "we don't expect you to know everything, or learn everything the very first time you hear it, but we DO expect you to act like a civilized human being, and you DO have control over that." So he was 99% well-behaved, all thru his childhood and adolescence -- he knew the consequences of any other behavior would be a lot more severe than if he got F's in everything.

And speaking of Darwin... You know, childhood immunizations put an end to the massive child mortality that was so prevalent in earlier times, but I've often wondered if that doesn't fly right in the face of "survival of the fittest."

Andria

 

[LDS714]

But one thing I will say is that "for the children" is how freedom is slowly being destroyed.
Because it engenders the thinking that there must be PROTECTION for these precious little creatures.

It comes directly from a playbook that nearly succeeded in taking over the world.

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”

 

[DC2]

It comes directly from a playbook that nearly succeeded in taking over the world.

I know exactly from whom that quote (Hitler) supposedly came from.
In fact I have posted it here on this forum a number of times myself over the years.

But there appears to be some disagreement as to whether or not it was really a quote from him.

Regardless, it's true no matter who said it.
Or even if no one did.

 

[Kent C]

I don't have any children, which is perhaps why I have no affinity for them whatsoever.
In fact, I find them to be a great bother in general.

And I really have to question the idea of bringing one into the world at this point.

Regardless, I would take a dog any day of the week over a child.
But as always, that's just me.


Anyway, children seem to love me, and I really don't know why.
Perhaps it's because at 6'5" they see me as some sort of giant or something.

But one thing I will say is that "for the children" is how freedom is slowly being destroyed.
Because it engenders the thinking that there must be PROTECTION for these precious little creatures.

Darwin would be disgusted at how the New World Order is working, and who it puts into power.
Sometimes I think Socker Moms are the reason the world is falling apart at the seams.

EDIT: Preparing for hate mail now.

I have many of the same feelings... and kids seem to like me for some reason?? - I tell them the truth. I'm not into the fake self-esteem thing. (because it trashes self-esteem )

The last two paragraphs - I could write a book about. It isn't the video games that have destroyed childhood, it happened way before that. Right around the time the NEA started using the 'kids are our future' (d'uh), in order to get themselves raises via school levies. Learning suffered and brainwashing flourished.


"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."

Vladimir Lenin

 

[wv2win]

I don't have any children, which is perhaps why I have no affinity for them whatsoever.
In fact, I find them to be a great bother in general.

And I really have to question the idea of bringing one into the world at this point.

Regardless, I would take a dog any day of the week over a child.
But as always, that's just me.


Anyway, children seem to love me, and I really don't know why.
Perhaps it's because at 6'5" they see me as some sort of giant or something.

But one thing I will say is that "for the children" is how freedom is slowly being destroyed.
Because it engenders the thinking that there must be PROTECTION for these precious little creatures.

Darwin would be disgusted at how the New World Order is working, and who it puts into power.
Sometimes I think Socker Moms are the reason the world is falling apart at the seams.

EDIT: Preparing for hate mail now.

I know some Soccer Moms who would agree that falsely using children to advance a bogus position or protecting children to the degree that it makes them weak, malleable adults is not a good thing.

One of my daughters loves to tell the story that when she was about 9 and we had just arrived at soccer practice, she let her ball roll under the car. She looked at me and ask me to get it. I told her she let it roll there, it's her ball, she needs to get it herself. Well, she ended up burning her arm on the tail pipe. It didn't look that bad to me and I told her she would survive and go practice. Well, she now has a very slight scar on her arm from the burn. (I probably should have put some ice on it for 5 or 10 minutes). And now, in her 20's I remind her what a great gift I gave her. 1. she survived and went on to be the captain of her varsity team and 2. she now has this scar and a great story to tell the rest of her life about how she survived the demands of her mean old Dad.