Converting people

[John D in CT]

Nice thread...
I personally LOVE vapin.... The effect that smokin has on u is pretty fun and addictive... But it doesnt essentially mean you have to smoke cigarettes to enjoy that.
I used to smoke for 5 years.. usually 20-30 a day... it was pretty fun but there are times where i hated the stink it leaves.
Then I got into an accident with left me with .... loads o fractures and made me bed bound..
So smoking stopped there...
Research shows smoking decreases the rate of bone absorption in your body and bone density overall..
That was enough to spook me as i wanted to be mobile asap...
But then I didn't need any alternatives since I stopped it.
My Dad tho has been smoking for well over 44 years... that too figures reaching 40+ cigs a day
It has started to take its toll on him recently..
So 2 yrs back i started searchin for an alternative and ended up buying a cheap chinese E cigarette..
Well it didn't work out that well since the vapour production was pathetic and I always thought water vapour was the end product and never thought of lookin at it any further since the options we have in our country for E cigs are pathetic. Even now there are no suppliers for Ego or its knock off's. Then I got an E cig called steamlite which is not bad at all.. Found out glycerin is the main ingredient and after cooking up lots of test batches here I am waiting to place my first order with heathcabin.
The 1st complaint my dad had was less vapour which I tried VG and it works great..
Now there is no throat hit it seems so I am just tryin up a batch with some ethanol in it.
As far as flavouring goes I use food essences from stores as there is nothing else here.. They have a PG base but their "nature identical flavours" quote worries me.
Calculated risks are fine by me... But not the plunge.

I joined ECF coz i wanted to ask Healthcabin a question .. Just waiting for my 5 posts ..

This is the order I am startin with..
eGo T deluxe kit
18650 mod
18650 controller

I know its a bit too much for a 1st time jump frm normal sticks to ego.
But I have used 18650's for my flashlight and know the risks involved... HUGE RISKS INVOLVED ACUALLY..

18650 is for me.. the eGo for pops.. well thought if the ego doesn't reach his desired level of vapour production, will nuke him with the 18650

Seeing a chronic smoker approaching old age is a painful experience.. Especially the loved ones..

I vote for VAPE.....!!

I just want to mention a few things.

The Joyetech eGo-T is a constant voltage device that uses a tank/atomizer system that is not perform anywhere nearly as well as many other "attachments" out there like the Vivi Nova and other "clearomizers".

All the 18650 mod will do for you is increase the battery life, and in my experience, the electronics of the Joyetech eGo batteries will actually put out more actual power to an attachment because of the PWM they employ. I think, but I could be wrong, that the 18650 mod puts out just a steady stream of power without the use of PWM, as does a Smoktech e-Power, that the Joyetech eGo battery also outperforms at a given coil resistance. (Try vaping a 1.5 ohm dual coil carto on an e-Power 18650 or the Joyetech 18650 mod, and then on a standard Joyetech eGo battery, and see which one produces more vapor).

I own, and have obviously used, the very cool Joyetech 18650 mod, but just because it's big, that doesn't mean it's a "powerhouse" when it comes to the actual vape; it isn't. Yes, the battery life is far better, because the battery is typically 1600 or 2000mah, and can be had in even higher capacities; but to me, that is the extent of the advantages it offers. And an AW IMR battery, or any IMR (lithium manganese) battery, does not IMO involve a "HUGE RISK" because of the safer chemistry involved. They will simply not "blow up". Lithium cobalt (ICR) or lithium polymer (LiPo)? Different story.

And I strongly urge you to try one of the relatively new eGo-class variable voltage batteries now available (Vision Spinner, kGo VV, Joyetech eGo-C Twist), any one of which will give a far better overall vape than either the constant-voltage Joyetech eGo battery or the Joyetech 18650 mod. With variable voltage, you can adjust the heat of the coil up or down without changing attachments; with constant voltage, you cannot.

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Forgot:

I'm not sure that using grocery store flavorings is a good idea; you might want to poke around in the "DIY" forum, and/or do a search.

And smoking cigarettes wasn't what I would call "fun", and I hated being a slave to them for many more reasons than just their smelliness; the fact that they were killing me was decidedly more off-putting.

 

[East]

I'm trying as I learn more. I donated my VGo to my brother and a business card for the place by me in hopes that he will quit. He smokes those stubby Marlboro 27's and is pretty much a chain smoker once he gets home from work (19 years in the navy, stationed in VA). I made him try it in front of me since he had already started to think about getting a set, fresh battery, freshly filled carto. He started coughing like a new smoker lol, looked up at me and said "whoo, that really hits you pretty fast!" waiting to get a reply from him to see what he thinks.

I think I ended up hooking him up with a half dozen new cartos, 6 different flavors of juice, plus the case, 2 batteries, and charger.

I also tried to turn a buddy from college when I was first starting to try e-cigs a year ago, did not work too well. He was hanging out with another guy tho who was more knowledgeable and he ended up going out and buying a tube mod that weekend. Still trying to ween off of stinkies but he has cut down a little bit at least. Now to just work my way up to a mod and use my ego to convert someone else.....

Sorry to be nitpicky, but the 72s are the stubby ones. 27s are regular size, special blend. I know because I used to smoke both!

Anyways good on you for trying for conversion.

As far as I go, I know only one smoker in my life currently, the rest have managed to quit. He says "damn that smells good" sometimes while I'm having a vape and has asked a little, but I've seriously asked him to come to me if he has any inclination to give it a go and he hasn't bothered yet. Early on his non-smoking GF said "If anything, that thing is probably worse because it's straight Nicotine." I didn't say much at the time because I didn't know much. All I knew was that I was feeling better, so I just sort of laughed it off and said I could breathe better, was feeling better and didn't have to rewet my contacts so often.

 

[John D in CT]

Sorry to be nitpicky, but the 72s are the stubby ones. 27s are regular size, special blend. I know because I used to smoke both!

Anyways good on you for trying for conversion.

As far as I go, I know only one smoker in my life currently, the rest have managed to quit. He says "damn that smells good" sometimes while I'm having a vape and has asked a little, but I've seriously asked him to come to me if he has any inclination to give it a go and he hasn't bothered yet. Early on his non-smoking GF said "If anything, that thing is probably worse because it's straight Nicotine." I didn't say much at the time because I didn't know much. All I knew was that I was feeling better, so I just sort of laughed it off and said I could breathe better, was feeling better and didn't have to rewet my contacts so often.

"If anything, that thing is probably worse because it's straight Nicotine."

Hmm ... maybe your friend will eventually end up with a GF with better logic skills than that.

Let's break that down; she's saying that vaping is probably worse because instead of inhaling tobacco smoke containing nicotine, tar, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, nickel, polonium, plutonium, benzopyrene, benzene, toluene, naphthylamines, arsenic, cadmium, carbon dioxide, methane, ammonia, nitric oxide, hydrogen sulphide, ethanol, acetylaldehyde, acetone, nitrosamines, and thousands of other toxic, radioactive, and carcinogenic gases and substances ........ you're just inhaling nicotine by itself, in a relatively harmless vapor.

This is a large part of the reason I'm still single.

 

[Paxonator]

I think many will switch over eventually. Just when they start seeing more and more people using them.

 

[John D in CT]

I think many will switch over eventually. Just when they start seeing more and more people using them.

Yes, I think they will. Because vaping is more enjoyable, costs less, and very likely does not kill you nearly as quickly as cigarettes.

The ignorant and stupid will take up vaping much more slowly than the merely ignorant, because the latter condition is much more readily remedied through education.

 

[Lbox88]

Sorry to be nitpicky, but the 72s are the stubby ones. 27s are regular size, special blend. I know because I used to smoke both!

Anyways good on you for trying for conversion.

As far as I go, I know only one smoker in my life currently, the rest have managed to quit. He says "damn that smells good" sometimes while I'm having a vape and has asked a little, but I've seriously asked him to come to me if he has any inclination to give it a go and he hasn't bothered yet. Early on his non-smoking GF said "If anything, that thing is probably worse because it's straight Nicotine." I didn't say much at the time because I didn't know much. All I knew was that I was feeling better, so I just sort of laughed it off and said I could breathe better, was feeling better and didn't have to rewet my contacts so often.

Good catch! Lol I didn't even know there were 27's, just got dyslexic when typing 72 apparently.

 

[Lbox88]

Yeah I'm diggin this back up. Converted someone. My Wife had her friend over with her fiance, and he wondered what they were in the stand. I explained it all to him, told him how I had quit and offered him to try them if he wanted. All he had tried before (of course) were crummy gas station e-cigs. So, Had him try 4 or 5 different flavors on setups I had, varying from Egos to telescope and Provari and he liked all the flavors.

Turns out, after they left the house, they were able to make the 35 minute drive home, and spent a good 2-3 hours home before he realised he hadn't smoked. We met up with them again Tuesday so the ladies could hang out while I took him up to my (our) local B&M to get started with a 1000mah passthru, a pair of Kanger T2's, and a few flavors. It's been 3 days now and as of last night he had only smoke 4 cigarettes.

 

[John D in CT]

Good catch! Lol I didn't even know there were 27's, just got dyslexic when typing 72 apparently.

And then there was the dyslexic, agnostic insomniac who kept waking up in the middle of the night wondering if there is a Dog.

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Hey, nice going on the conversions. I remain determined to "trick" people into being kind to themselves by switching to vaping ..... I think my latest approach will be to tell them that they are simply not allowed to do it, for reasons that they will never be able to understand.

 

[Pentarth]

I've converted 14 people from cigarettes to vaping... there are no decent brick and mortars in my area and the cigarette/tobacco stores around here 1. don't know anything useful about mods. 2 don't carry decent mods or equipment. 3 are WAY overpriced for the crap they do carry. 4 don't know anything about the mods they sell themselves.
I convert people because the health benefits are extreem. You are probably saving their life or preventing an early ugly death. The anti-smoking discrimination in my region is rampant.... and I believe in a free country. We make our own choices and live with the consequences. Vaping works... after working in medicine for 25 years i've never seen anything that works as well as vaping for getting off analogs. Yet the anti-vaping sentiment in this area is almost as bad as smoking bias.
There is no such thing as second hand vape... I show people a copy of the IVACS study and a few other health benefit studies if they are open minded enough to listen. Vaping allows us to make our own lifestyle choice (a MUCH healthier one) without subjecting bystanders to second hand smoke. It's really the responsible thing to do

 

[Off Topic]

No matter how good vaping is in comparison to smoking. You still have to WANT to quit the death sticks. You have to want it.

I've gone as far as buying devices for people. Very few of my converts have lasted over a month.

 

[John D in CT]

No matter how good vaping is in comparison to smoking. You still have to WANT to quit the death sticks. You have to want it.

I've gone as far as buying devices for people. Very few of my converts have lasted over a month.

Most of "my" converts have stayed with vaping. ("My" in quotes because I do not take, nor feel I deserve, any credit for my DNA, brain/consciousness/intelligence/neural network/life experiences that just happened to lead me to what I consider to be a "superior" alternative to cigarette smoking; "superior" from my (obviously, patently, and by definition) subjective view that it is more enjoyable than cigarette smoking, it costs less - freeing up finite financial resources for other things, like bringing other pleasures into my life, reducing the suffering in my own life, and/or doing the same for other sentient beings in the universe) - and that it prolongs my lifespan and health so that I might longer and more fully enjoy my time on this planet.

I have found a direct correlation between success rate and "mentoring", which often includes psychological counseling to address such issues as wanton desire to cause harm to oneself, and detachment from ego (I'll be damned if I'm going to admit that someone else has a "better" idea for me than sucking the smoke from burning tobacco leaves into my lungs), a state of mind that includes and/or is synonymous with good old garden-variety "stubbornness". [Interesting (to me, anyway) sidenote; it was my advancement of this very proposition that was instrumental in my getting banned from this site for seven days].

It has long seemed to me that my view that vaping is more enjoyable than smoking, while obviously and patently a subjective one, since I alone experience my experiences and sensations, seems to be shared and echoed by enough other people to lead me to believe that this phenomenon is not localized to my own neural network, and that a fairly strong case could be made that the "average" human being, given the proper hardware, jooose, and attitude, might just be correctly predicted to come to the same conclusion. I use the example of my subjective view that I find it more enjoyable to be struck by a smaller object rather than a larger object, and that while that is, again, a subjective opinion, that I think it reasonable to predict that the same view might just be reported by most, if not all other members of Family Hominidae, which includes both humans [Genus "Homo"] and chimpanzees [Genus "Pan"], the latter Genus being known to enjoy a good smoke from time to time, and whose smoking members just might benefit from the switch to vaping.

 

[IWOCS]

I got one of my buddies to convert. He took the easy route and bought a provari first lol.

 

[Sisq0]

I can proudly say that I have 100% success rate in converting people - 3 close friends, 5 co-workers. Non of my family members are smokers, but my brother is using 0% nic juices just for pleasure.

 

[meloyo]

I have one convert. She wasn't a heavy smoker to begin w/ and just had to get her occasional oral fix(ation). She tried my eGo and got one for herself the next day. I hope to convert more people. I actually let all of my smoker friends who are interested try whatever I'm using at the moment and they all seem to like it. But as others have said, at the end of the day, they have to want to quit and then make a some investment in a starter set.

 

[Pappy]

In my experience, most people are not willing to put any more effort into it than they would put into buying a pack of smokes. If it's not as easy and brainless as buying a pack of smokes, they are not interested.

So I just don't worry about it anymore. I tried and they rejected it. Their loss. It's no skin off my nose.

 

[Slabb]

In my experience, most people are not willing to put any more effort into it than they would put into buying a pack of smokes. If it's not as easy and brainless as buying a pack of smokes, they are not interested.

So I just don't worry about it anymore. I tried and they rejected it. Their loss. It's no skin off my nose.

Yea, I totally agree. I've tried talking to two people that were really interested. My sister bought a kit that day from a B&M. Unfortunately I don't feel like she will keep with it. I don't think they want to take the time to do research.

Me on the other hand, I've opened up Pandora's box! Now that I say that, that could be a good name for a mod!

 

[bald_joint]

Hey Sockfootball
I'm a converted one from a collogue from work. In a 350 people office, we are only 2 vaping! As mentioned in a previous post, I still get out to vape with the smokers. Most of the people think i'm an weirdo, but there's few smokers which are curious, and ask a lot of questions about vaping. I really do think there will be more and more people getting into it in a short period of time.
Unfortunately, regulation in Canada does not allowed nicotine in the e-juice, so it's still tricky to order some across the border
Have a nice day

 

[Sincronicity]

Sunnycaat, So the BF is 30 yrs old and probably feels invincible. He bums his life off of your good nature. If his heavy nicotine addiction is keeping him from finding employment, then there must be a ton of Vapers here that don't have jobs, food on the table, or a life outside of the waiting line at the cashier counter to pay for them. If he's heavy into addiction, get him a tank, battery, and some 24mg juice. Coming from a guy, if that were my kid at 30, he'd be gone. No more steak and potato's for him. Kick him to the curb. Let him mooch off his own family.

As far as Sockfootball's OP, I think I'm the only one in this town that vapes. When we break, we break singularly, so I'm vaping alone and have no one to convert. I work in a state office and highly doubt that even though vaping isn't smoking, it's probably frowned upon and gives me good opportunity to stand in the unemployment line.

 

[John D in CT]

In my experience, most people are not willing to put any more effort into it than they would put into buying a pack of smokes. If it's not as easy and brainless as buying a pack of smokes, they are not interested.

So I just don't worry about it anymore. I tried and they rejected it. Their loss. It's no skin off my nose.

This is interesting to me, and this is not meant as a slam on anybody for not feeling or thinking the way I just happen to, through no real doing of my own. We don't choose our DNA and life experiences, and I am no better or worse than anyone else. and that is not what "this" is about.

To me, it just causes some sort of "disturbance in the Force" when I see someone sucking on a cancer stick, since I am convinced that vaping is more enjoyable than smoking, and that that is not just a subjective notion. That makes me want to keep try, and trying, and trying to convince any particular person, or smokers in general, to start vaping. I keep telling people that they don't need to "quit smoking" .... that all they really "have" to do ... or would be "well served" by doing .... is to start vaping, with decent gear - like Twists or Spinners or VV kGos, and Vivi Novas, and nice joooooses - and see which one they like best. I just think based on what I have found for myself - and what I keep reading on this site - and keep hearing from the people I've converted - that most people will prefer vaping (with the aforementioned gear and juice) to smoking cigarettes.

Interesting (to me) story: About a week ago, I found a half-ciggie out in the parking lot. I picked it up, and held it in my hand. It felt alien, and smelled awful. I brought it inside, and put it on my desk, a couple of feet away from me. I could smell its foul stench from a fair distance, and marveled at the fact that these stupid things once ruled my life, and were prematurely ending it. Dying is a pretty heavy-duty experience, when you stop and think about it.

Two nights ago, I had one of the most amazing experiences of my life, having figured out something pretty amazing - the meaning of life, and why there is anything, rather than nothing - and how much I'm looking forward to sharing these realizations with the rest of the world. I also realized that in the grand scheme of things, it won't make a crap bit of difference whether I smoke that half ciggie or not, so for the first time in over a year, I inhaled tobacco smoke as I lit the thing up, and smoked it down to the filter.

As I expected, it was god-awful, but it was fun, and oddly satisfying to know that I could smoke that thing and not worry in the slightest that I'd "get hooked" on nicotine, since I already am, and am loving it.

Bottom line: I will continue to do whatever I can to get as many people as possible to give up ciggies, no matter how often or hard they try to run away from the reality of the situation, which is that there is not, in my view, a single valid and compelling reason to smoke cigarettes any more.

The end.

 

[NMcowboy79]

I have converted my grandmother 35 year smoker, my mother in law, my wife's aunt, and a couple coworkers, all with egos and dct style tanks.