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This should be taught in school.
Then the "citizens" might actually understand how broken the system has always been.
Thank you Michelle Minton.
However, I fear she is putting her life in danger.
Cheers
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Then the "citizens" might actually understand how broken the system has always been.
Thank you Michelle Minton.
However, I fear she is putting her life in danger.
Cheers
i
The finding in the report do jive with my own observations. However I have reservations about the sources.
I tried to google “regulator watch” and got nowhere as it seems to also be a kind of mechanical clock movement and the search was overwhelmed.
I did manage to find the channel on YouTube
Regulator Watch
It’s subscriber base is quite small, and seems to be primarily concerned with vaping related issues. There is no evidence it is anything but a small YouTube channel though.
The “ competive enterprise institute “ was much easier though
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This is apparently a group often used by the cigarette industry to promote its own agenda. This is somewhat fascinating in that as a primarily right wing hired gun type company, which is what it seems at least to me to be, that someone is pouring money into anti-anti vaping research. Very very hard to tell what the agendas of these organizations are and who is backing what. They don’t look to me like actual news organizations though, no matter how they are attempting to present things.
I tried to google “regulator watch” and got nowhere as it seems to also be a kind of mechanical clock movement and the search was overwhelmed.
I did manage to find the channel on YouTube
Regulator Watch
It’s subscriber base is quite small, and seems to be primarily concerned with vaping related issues. There is no evidence it is anything but a small YouTube channel though.
The “ competive enterprise institute “ was much easier though
Competitive Enterprise Institute - SourceWatch
This is apparently a group often used by the cigarette industry to promote its own agenda. This is somewhat fascinating in that as a primarily right wing hired gun type company, which is what it seems at least to me to be, that someone is pouring money into anti-anti vaping research. Very very hard to tell what the agendas of these organizations are and who is backing what. They don’t look to me like actual news organizations though, no matter how they are attempting to present things.
Brent Stafford has been involved in vaping advocacy for awhile.
As usual many vapors are more interested in vape product reviews, and not advocacy.
He should get more subscribers...
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I get their emails whenever they post a new video. I find them to be quite informative and they seem pretty balanced to me although obviously provaping.
Oh, US, I am sure that it will just Utopia, magical. It is good to be old and won't see the last dying days of the USA as it makes 1984 a reality. I've already seen too much.
Vaping is a mere speck in the universe of things controlled by either self-censorship through not so subtle coercion of an outraged mob or the direct coercion of the regulatory process.
Minton again. On a sketchy publication again. This time her bachelors in English is not put to use analyzing biomedical science research but the funding instead. As before, it's unfortunate that she chooses to be the expert rather than a reporter talking to experts. She is not an expert source.
Don't be so sure. I used to think only my kids will have to live with this.
Ive watched this gentleman’s YouTube Channel for some time.. A vaper himself (or at least used to be) he’s been a stellar advocate for American vaping news. Michelle Minton (as stated in video) confirmed what weve all suspected and fought against for years. As I began to track down money behind this flyers’ lucrative campaign(attached above BS),it lead to (exactly as Michelle said):local State Dept of Health, then private lobbyists and charity groups(incl. same well worn American Antz-United Way).
We cant let up on pressure to tell and demonstrate the truth, everyne here knows this.
TYVM for bringing this episode to ECF.
Bump..... Michelle Minton (also CASAA) interviews on Regulator Watch a You Tube channel which focuses on vaping, legislative and private ANTZ battles, news (American vape)
That poster is such a lie. I mean has anyone ever seen or even heard of a report claiming Toluene or Benzine in vapor? I haven't. Formaldehyde? Sure, if you heat your juice too high and even then it is very low levels. Way below cigs and even less than the off gassing of new furniture.
Every one of those posters in existence should be collected and the guy that created it should be forced to shove every last one of them up his own ...
Yes, I've seen reports but only because I looked just now. We are vapers, not experts on medical research. There's a lot we won't know.
Here's one example for benzene. There are more articles for benzene and toulene but I just picked one.
It's tempting to only hear what we want to hear and ignore what we don't want to hear. But I think vapers benefit most by being open to hearing the truth. It is also important to use good sources for information like peer reviewed scientific journals. It's good to know that none was detected from the Juul. And it's good to know that some other samples contained levels that were high enough to be a risk but not as high as the levels in cigarette smoke.
FDA specifically mentions benzene and toluene as something that should be tested:
https://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/UCM499352.pdf
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I am open to hearing truths. I would like to point out a few things though.
1. Based on that paper it seems one of the criteria for Benzene to be present is if the flavoring contains benzaldehyde. How many and which flavors actually contain this apparent precursor for Benzene formation? Sounds like probable cherry picking to get the results they wanted.
2. The found quantities were in the 1.X MICROGRAM range then they say the US ambient air contains 1 MICROGRAM anyway. This means that even what they found was essentially 0.X micrograms (since the air already contained 1 microgram before it even passed through the atomizer). So the concentration is barely above the ambient air in the US. OMGOZZORS we all gonna die!!!
So that poster may as well have said "Breathing the natural air around you will expose you to Benzene, Formaldehyde, and other pollutants found in paint thinner, gasoline, and cigarettes and that it may kill you".3. While people are crying about the 0.x micrograms in vapor IF you happen to be using a flavor that contains the precursor, actual cigarettes that no one is threatening to ban out of existence contains 200,000 micrograms!!! So even if their tests started with 100% clean air those 1.x microgram numbers are still negligible.
4. While they did tell us what wattage they used, they did not tell us the device types (of the two "tanks") or resistance of the coils. Therefore it is impossible to know or even begin to guess what temp they heated this up to for this to even occur. My guess and yes it is a guess, but it is highly likely they overheated the juice to get this to occur (similar to the formaldehyde issue).
Bottom line, this is much ado about literally nothing. If I am going to be inhaling roughly the same amount of benzene as regular air, I may as well get my nic with it. Thanks for the concern, but I think I'll stick with vaping.
All of this said, I welcome more studies BUT they have to come with an HONEST discussion from them, not hyped up bovine excrement fear tactics over minuscule findings.
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