Coordinated effort to KILL VAPING ?

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I can honestly say I have never read anything by either of them, so I cannot comment on the quality of their work or their talent at writing. What I can say is they were both apparently masters at marketing. Especially Hubbard in marketing his cult to the Hollyweird rich.

I still wouldn't consider them the two most famous I would say Issac Asimov, H.G. Wells, and a few others are more famous.
Depends on how you count it. Asimov and Wells were much better authors and had a vastly greater effect on science and popular culture. They also managed to get out of the science fiction literary ghetto and be read by the public at large. They’re considered authors who wrote science fiction, not science fiction authors.
Hubbard and Rand however sold and still sell tremendously large quantities of books. Way out of proportion to their status as authors. Hubbard in particular sat at #1 in sales for a long long time. It was done by his followers buying the books at retail then returning them to be sold again to distributors. Rand was eventually eclipsed by Heinlein sales wise. Both were self described radical libertarians, but Heinlein could actually write. His stuff is objectively readable. At least the pre-heart attack stuff. “Friday” and “number of the beast” are both fairly awful. “Stranger in a Strange Land” was written in his prime though. It’s kind of dated now of course. As an actual decent writer several of his books were made into films. You’ll never see that with Anne Rand. Her stuff just sucks too hard. Hubbard managed to do it of course, but only by dint of his church. He was also a better author than Rand. Not great, but at least more journeyman level.
 

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Whatcha talkin bout Willis? LRN has to be one of the greatest narcissistic plagiarists in human history! And the E-Meter's gotten more confessions than all the lie detectors in human history. Give the man his due for cryin out loud.

As for Rand she was brilliant in her prophetic assessment of humanity's collectivist trajectory. But when she gushes through her protagonists on self-interest as the source of individual virtue (as many libertarians do in the absolute) she sounds altogether too much like Nietzsche to make me comfortable.

But they both spin a good yarn. Watch the volcano's will ya?

Good luck. :D
That’s the problem. They don’t spin very good yarns. Either of them. LRH was better at it. He managed a wobbling passable at his best, but Rand never even got that far. Both of them are fairly substandard authors but they produce very high sales numbers. The result is it becomes exponentially more difficult for actually good authors to heave themselves past their bulk.
As to her prophetic sight, she was a scion of former Russian minor royalty. Her family had been looking down the barrel of that gun when The Czarist government collapsed back when she was in grade school. Nothing prophetic about it.
 
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That’s the problem. They don’t spin very good yarns. Either of them. LRH was better at it. He managed a wobbling passable at his best, but Rand never even got that far. Both of them are fairly substandard authors but they produce very high sales numbers. The result is it becomes exponentially more difficult for actually good authors to heave themselves past their bulk.
As to her prophetic sight, she was a scion of former Russian minor royalty. Her family had been looking down the barrel of that gun when The Czarist government collapsed back when she was in grade school. Nothing prophetic about it.

Night and day. One was authentic, the other deluded.

As to prophecy, admittedly my comparison of fiction to factual events may be flawed. Perhaps compromised by having lived through [the intersection of] so many of them.

Good luck. :)
 
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Night and day. One was authentic, the other deluded.

As to prophecy, admittedly my comparison of fiction to factual events may be flawed. Perhaps compromised by having lived through so many of them.

Good luck. :)
Still doesn’t change the fact that they were both garbage authors who used outside machinations to artificially raise their status and damaged the system they were working in as well as everyone else in it while creating basically nothing useful.

Authentic? Please. Just because her hate for post czarist society was real doesn’t mean there’s an ounce of authenticity in her work. It just means that her motivations were different than what she stated.
Not that the communist revolution wasn’t a garbage fire, but the czarism she originated from was at best no better.
 
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Hey guys the track is
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Michelle Minton, 13:43min: I think the aha moment was when I when I realized…that the American Cancer Society…the Florida Public Health Department had petitioned the federal government for a big grant for their operations and listed the American Cancer Society as their contractor to carry it out and the project would actually be housed at the American Cancer Society building in Florida and members of ACS would be paid by the Department of Health…I think that was the aha moment for me when I realized just how connected and inter woven these groups…I also believed were completely independent…I thought they were completely disconnected…



Good luck. :)
 
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