Could I be tasting an effect from plastic bottles?

[GoodNews!]

Hey guys, so in the last few days, I've tried many new juices, and the overwhelming aspect these past few days is that two brand (each of cheaper quality imo) have continuously tasted just like lavender soap. It's been this exact taste across literally like 7 juices I bought, even by two different brands.

I've been super confused about this - these past few days, I've been considering that I've actually gotten vaper's tongue for the first time. The issue with that is, all my tried and true juices, they seem to taste generally just fine, maybe a little muted if anything.

However, with going through my old stock and trying those juices again, I'm noticing that every liquid that has been stored in a plastic bottle now has this "lavender bitter soap" taste, where as the few juices I have in glass bottles taste perfectly OK. Even though VCV does plastic bottles, their bottles are biodegradable and organic and all such mess, and I haven't tasted this effect on their juice.

But it's been across literally every juice stored in a plastic bottle. I've been trying to think wether it's my atomizers (multiple) or some sort of vaper's tongue or vaping technique, but it's not that these juices aren't strong, it's that it's a strong taste of horridly bitter lavender, pure lavender soap.

Even the new juices stored in plastic bottles same deal. And looking back on it, all the plastic bottle juices were always the ones that performed "the worst" for me, giving off the most strange tastes.

Has anyone heard of something like this? I'd go ahead and accept it's just vapor's tongue causing me to taste a nicotine or PG base as something totally odd, but it's almost as though my tongue as amplified in the past couple days, making me taste the most sour, bitter aspects of my juices, rather than muting flavor and everything just tasting sweetly mild (I wish!)

I mean, this lavender soap flavor is overwhelming, and it's across two different brands and like 7 juices!

Has your tongue really tasted some very weird stuff while having vapor's tongue?

 

[Asbestos4004]

sounds like it's definitely the bottles. It has happened to all my stuff in plastic bottles except for the ones from VAPOR HUT. If it hasn't leached to much, you can transfer it into glass and it can recover. Hopefully they're not too far gone. Lavender soap is a perfect description....exactly like Lavender soap.

 

[generic mutant]

A scientific test would be to mix your own juice (it isn't hard, if you want to just do something very basic like a menthol) - or at the very least get some premade that to your satisfaction has not been contaminated yet - and put some in a glass bottle, and some in a plastic.

Wait a few weeks or a month, blind yourself to which is which (put them in a series of identical bottles or tanks, mark them in some way, cover up the marking, then juggle them up).

Can you tell the difference?

That's science. Everything else? Endless (and I do mean completely, utterly without end) speculation.

 

[LucentShadow]

It's quite plausible (likely, IMO) that chemicals from plastic will leach into e-liquids.

I have not noticed any taste from LDPE bottles that I have used, but I would not rule it out.

Glass would probably be wise, either way.

 

[MissKitty47]

I had some once from a supplier that tasted perfumey. I've gotten juice from her before, so what's up? Then I noticed she had changed to child proof caps! it's the caps, imo.

Sent by my cat through pure magic

 

[Ryedan]

Hey guys, so in the last few days, I've tried many new juices, and the overwhelming aspect these past few days is that two brand (each of cheaper quality imo) have continuously tasted just like lavender soap. It's been this exact taste across literally like 7 juices I bought, even by two different brands.

I've been super confused about this - these past few days, I've been considering that I've actually gotten vaper's tongue for the first time. The issue with that is, all my tried and true juices, they seem to taste generally just fine, maybe a little muted if anything.

However, with going through my old stock and trying those juices again, I'm noticing that every liquid that has been stored in a plastic bottle now has this "lavender bitter soap" taste, where as the few juices I have in glass bottles taste perfectly OK. Even though VCV does plastic bottles, their bottles are biodegradable and organic and all such mess, and I haven't tasted this effect on their juice.

I've never noticed this. So you've had new juice with this taste and old juice in plastic bottles with it. Can't be the plastic unless it makes this taste quite quickly (or it would not be in the new juices). IMO it's the juices and the bottle issue is just coincidence.

Vape on.

 

[WillyZee]

sounds like a form of vapors tongue to me.

 

[Zealous]

Well....(here I go again lol) every juice I've ever gotten has been in a plastic bottle. I have only had 1 taste perfumey & that's because it was disgusting. So...that's my on this topic.

 

[generic mutant]

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I got vaper's tongue whilst still smoking.

I suspect there are a lot of related phenomena that people lump into 'vaper's tongue', and the idea that it's just you adjusting to quitting ciggies is far too simple.

Every juice tasted the same - flat, kind of bitter, but also randomly shifting. Food tasted a bit off too. Lasted about 4 days, then went...

 

[AmandaD]

I occasionally get it from juice in both plastic and glass bottles. I'm quite sure in my case it's a case of vapors tongue! A good dose of Kringles Curse usually cures it.

Incidentally, someone earlier posted a link to some overpriced glass bottles - when I get mine (so juice steeps more efficiently in an ultrasonic) I'm going to get mine from here:
30ml.Amber Boston Round with dropper

 

[bluecat]

Could it be? Yes entirely possible. All I can really say is I am cheap when it comes to vaping. 1.5 years of vaping and am still using the same plastic bottles from over a year ago to do my DIY liquids in. No lavendar from them.

I always have vapor tongue though. I reuse my wifes plastic water bottles for the same reasons. Drives her batty too.

 

[danny4x4]

You've never had this taste before and now all your juices, new and old, taste like soap...........

SCIENTIFIC conclusion:
Can't be the juice or the containers. It's your tongue, or your gear. Did you happen to wash them in lavender soap?

 

[Talyon]

I'll just add that there is a very extensive thread covering this same topic, and it goes on to explain with great detail about plastic bottle leaching, and which are better then others by using the number on bottom of bottle to identify.

Sorry I don't have link handy but I'm sure the OP can manage to find it.

Also can't wait for more by this OP, as so far hasn't missed a beat with re hashing anything possibly bad with Vapeing. IMHO.

No disrespect meant. It's always good to ask.

 

[Diogenes]

You've never had this taste before and now all your juices, new and old, taste like soap...........

SCIENTIFIC conclusion:
Can't be the juice or the containers. It's your tongue, or your gear. Did you happen to wash them in lavender soap?

I've been saying something similar across several threads now. I seriously doubt that the problem lies with the gear. But someone can't or won't acknowledge this, its always someone else's fault, not theirs.

 

[Talyon]

Wick, bottles, VG, chargers, wire, Carto stuffing, next I'll assume well be ummmm let's see ahh yes batteries, or perhaps rubber grommets maybe even plastic clearos. I got it.... The Dreaded Drip Tip.

 

[GoodNews!]

Well, for example, I just bought a juice from the shop today - a lot of the samplers were tasting very chemically and soapy (then again, half of them had already been burnt out because the battery had been used at 4.8V's on Evods, by previous customers...), but one juice in specific very much did not. So I bought that juice.

Got home, tried my new MVP, tried the iClear that came with it, and while this particular iClear actually seems to be performing in a smooth type of way (totally opposite to the harsheness of the first one I tried) this juice now has a clear soapy taste, like the other juices did in the shop. It smells fine though.

Actually, the taste is quite close to how that foam in the MVP package smells - very, very close - but the taste is more of a bitter Lavender. I've actually had Lavender flavored soda from an artsy-fartsy store, so I realistically know what that tastes like.

But the same taste has come up from some juices by GotVapes and then the vendor today. The only couple things I can think that would cause this are A. Vaper's tongue (?). B. Junk in the atomizers. C. The way the atomizers are performing. or D. I've vaped to the point now that my tongue is getting sensitive to a certain PG, VG, or Nicotine base.

Other juices of mine aren't doing it at all, and a few are. With trying them all out, it was the strange coincidence that all these bottles that contain the soapy juice, are, indeed, plastic. I've seen people concerned about plastic before on this forum, I'm not the only one.

Doesn't help that the iClear is actually leaking from where the 510 column is "pressed" into the base, with that circular crack where the airflow slots meet (it's not all welded in, like most bases), and this bound to be the strangest leak ever was. I can vape on it for like a minute before the leak gets too much, but meh.... I wanted to vape.

 

[Myrany]

Well, for example, I just bought a juice from the shop today - a lot of the samplers were tasting very chemically and soapy (then again, half of them had already been burnt out because the battery had been used at 4.8V's on Evods, by previous customers...), but one juice in specific very much did not. So I bought that juice.

Got home, tried my new MVP, tried the iClear that came with it, and while this particular iClear actually seems to be performing in a smooth type of way (totally opposite to the harsheness of the first one I tried) this juice now has a clear soapy taste, like the other juices did in the shop. It smells fine though.

Actually, the taste is quite close to how that foam in the MVP package smells - very, very close - but the taste is more of a bitter Lavender. I've actually had Lavender flavored soda from an artsy-fartsy store, so I realistically know what that tastes like.

But the same taste has come up from some juices by GotVapes and then the vendor today. The only couple things I can think that would cause this are A. Vaper's tongue (?). B. Junk in the atomizers. C. The way the atomizers are performing. or D. I've vaped to the point now that my tongue is getting sensitive to a certain PG, VG, or Nicotine base.

Other juices of mine aren't doing it at all, and a few are. With trying them all out, it was the strange coincidence that all these bottles that contain the soapy juice, are, indeed, plastic. I've seen people concerned about plastic before on this forum, I'm not the only one.

Doesn't help that the iClear is actually leaking from where the 510 column is "pressed" into the base, with that circular crack where the airflow slots meet (it's not all welded in, like most bases), and this bound to be the strangest leak ever was. I can vape on it for like a minute before the leak gets too much, but meh.... I wanted to vape.

It is possible that the juice in the testers has been steeped and what you bought was fresh mixed. I have had juices from vendors that when they first arrive are perfumy or soapy that after a couple of weeks steeping (the first 2 days with the caps off) taste terrific but if you vape them before the steeping YUCK.

If you are unsure how to steep a little google foo will net you some detailed instructions.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Silly question .... all these soapy tasting liquids, sounds like there are many.....Are they all being tasted in different devices? Or is the one device you're using being cleaned thoroughly between flavors? Does unflavored pg or VG taste like lavender too?

 

[GoodNews!]

I didn't find Funk's post all that "impossible" (even if it was intended as such.)

Take for instance PG A lot of people are physically sensitive to PG, I see it all the time in this forum - people getting broken out with rashes with using PG products, and then getting those same effects with vaping. I myself break out in rashes with some deodorants. I use that Arm & Hammer deodorant, which one of the most "organic" ones found at a regular market, and it does just fine. It takes more money for companies to make "non-sensitive" products than it does to make the rather chemical products.

And if there was such an ingredient in most plastic bottles (literally, the lavender flower, as an oil or something) then, hey, maybe I could indeed taste it. Not saying that's a possibility, only that if plastic bottles could have any effect on taste for me, then I'd simply order from companies that use glass. All the companies that use glass, I've liked their juices better anyway. Something tastes "real" with juice brands that use glass, and all the plastic-bottle companies, something to my tongue tastes "cheap" about the juice. Just my pattern.

Some luck is though, that I tried out the iClear again this morning, and some of the lavender has died down, but the juice still isn't the goodness that it was on the Evod sample - the Evod sample was something I was very willing to vape. The same juice in the iClear - it's iffy right now. I can't put my finger on what it is at this minute, but it's something. Maybe just a lack of flavor, with the slight touch of bitterness.

Anyway, odd news for the day - I'm vaping the iClear 30 at 10 Watts! It seems to taste the least bitter at this setting! 9 Watts is giving a little bit more of a bitter taste, while 9.5-10W's is what's giving me the clearest result. This juice smells just like it's supposed to taste (literally, they smell and taste exactly alike), so I can smell the juice right now, and know that I'm not getting the full glory. On the Evod, it was exactly as full of flavor and realistic as it smelled! That's why I bought the juice!

And it definatly could be a steeping issue, I'll try it out. The strangest thing was, I was in the same shop a couple days ago, sampling all their juices, and I loved all the flavors. People can find my posts where I said I thought the Evods performed pretty well because of that. Yet today, I go back in there, and I don't know if it was because the customers were vaping all them at 4.8V's (the battery had been set to that setting for awhile, and that's a horrible thing to do to Kanger heads) or what, but most of the Evods had a chemically-chlorine-lavender taste, even when I dialed the voltage back down. Some very much did not though.

So I know it was a variance between steeping time, the atomizer performance (or lack of it due to others torturing the tanks), my tongue when it came to certain flavors or bases or nic strengths, or some oddity or another.

Ya'll know that my problem has always been that my vaping problems aren't "easily explained." If all the juices tasted like that, it'd have been vapor's tongue, no problem. But they did not. Some juices, dark, light, mint, tobacco, everything, were coming through as good as they did on the first day with the Evods. It seemed like other tanks were completely ruined. Again, could be a steeping issue, I'll without a doubt be trying that.

Does juice tend to "steep" anyway, if left in a tank for a few days?

 

[Asbestos4004]

I didn't find Funk's post all that "impossible" (even if it was intended as such.)

Take for instance PG A lot of people are physically sensitive to PG, I see it all the time in this forum - people getting broken out with rashes with using PG products, and then getting those same effects with vaping. I myself break out in rashes with some deodorants. I use that Arm & Hammer deodorant, which one of the most "organic" ones found at a regular market, and it does just fine. It takes more money for companies to make "non-sensitive" products than it does to make the rather chemical products.

And if there was such an ingredient in most plastic bottles (literally, the lavender flower, as an oil or something) then, hey, maybe I could indeed taste it. Not saying that's a possibility, only that if plastic bottles could have any effect on taste for me, then I'd simply order from companies that use glass. All the companies that use glass, I've liked their juices better anyway. Something tastes "real" with juice brands that use glass, and all the plastic-bottle companies, something to my tongue tastes "cheap" about the juice. Just my pattern.

Some luck is though, that I tried out the iClear again this morning, and some of the lavender has died down, but the juice still isn't the goodness that it was on the Evod sample - the Evod sample was something I was very willing to vape. The same juice in the iClear - it's iffy right now. I can't put my finger on what it is at this minute, but it's something. Maybe just a lack of flavor, with the slight touch of bitterness.

Anyway, odd news for the day - I'm vaping the iClear 30 at 10 Watts! It seems to taste the least bitter at this setting! 9 Watts is giving a little bit more of a bitter taste, while 9.5-10W's is what's giving me the clearest result. This juice smells just like it's supposed to taste (literally, they smell and taste exactly alike), so I can smell the juice right now, and know that I'm not getting the full glory. On the Evod, it was exactly as full of flavor and realistic as it smelled!

Why are you still questioning the plastic? I answered you in the very first post. Its very common. Plastic=Lavender for those of us who can taste it. Congrats on the MVP. Now, build that dripper!