Could I be tasting an effect from plastic bottles?

[GoodNews!]

Well, my issue has always been:

Supertasters, no matter what anyone wants to say, are helpful people. They are sensitive to things that may just "mute" a juice for others. To me, it always begs the question of "What is in this juice?" and "What chemicals is this atomizer producing?"

For the most part, I am indeed only trying to get a good vape, but to an extent, this is all information I think everyone should be interested in if they want to get a better and safer vape. Universally, people say that Cisco's coil wire, which doesn't contain aluminum (unlike any other wire) tastes extremely better. It also could be that they possibly torch or pre-fire their wire. If this is the factor behind it, it could both mean less metallic or production oil particles in our vape (which, in my testing and belief, I believe that coils can cause metallic and/or machine oil deposits onto silica, with heat), and it could spell out a safer, tastier vape for everyone beyond those who can't exactly taste it like I can.

Imagine if everyone here could go from using RDA's to CE4's if the companies simply used wire with less a certain chemical composite, or were to torch their wire, or something. Bye-bye muting, bye-bye wicky tastes, bye-bye nasty vapes. And imagine if our liquid was manufactured to a bit higher safety and mixing standards? Bye-bye soap, bye-bye monkey ...., bye-bye nasty flavors. These are issues that EVERYONE has experienced to some degree, I don't care wether you're a supertaster or not, these things happen to ALL vapers, in some form or other.

Why do RDA coils taste better? It's because, in my opinion, the excellent wicking causes less metals and gunk to be infused on the silica, which to anyone, causes a better flavor and better vape. When a coil is wrapped good and is wicking good, it matters less what the coil is made with - this has even been proven for me 100%. But where all this comes to issue at is solving muted and bad flavors on lower end devices, or even on RDA coils, for EVERYONE. Where I taste "bad tastes", other people taste "no flavor." That's what the problem is, and it's an epidemic on this forum with, appearantly, either NiChrome or Kanthal, the normal forms.

All the steps like torching help too. But everyone here, mostly RDA'ers, are getting grand results because they've listened to my theories even before I ever posted them on this forum. They just didn't care too much for the science behind it. I do. I want to know WHY. I'm rarely saying anything on this forum that anyone disagrees with, it's just that no one agrees with the science, because A. It may be wrong, I'm not perfect. and B. They don't care about they science, they just do the complex steps with no question as to why.

My iClear 30 "puff style" test just proved to me that there's either metallic chemicals, or gunk from the juice, that is instilled into the vapor when a device doesn't have proper airflow and vaporizes juice to quickly (it's on page #3 if anyone wants to read, and it supports my theory about PG juice in lower end coils). The iClear 30 was working great (as it wicks very well) until I happened to fire the coil without constantly inhaling. That proves that airflow and excellent wicking (and a tad of thick juice) is a MUST to prevent this bad, wicky taste to me. I believe it's entirely either A. Gunk or B. Metal.

This pretty much could revolutionize the world of vaping. If this issue could be fixed entirely (an issue that causes muted flavor for non-sensitive folk, and hashy flavor to sensitive folk), by using a wire of different composition, or by using thicker juice with with a lower vaporization rate atomizers, it'd change the way vendors "advise" newbies entirely. People always say "use a thin juice with lower end stuff" and I've proven that thicker juices WORK BETTER and TASTE BETTER.

This is revolutional information! It proves that it's less about wicking and more about vaporization rate and the rate that air comes in contact with the coil, which causes the coil to leave permenant deposits of either gunk or metal on the SILICA. This is, no matter what anyone says, at least a test that EVERYONE should try out!

(Also, if vendor's stopped using lavender in their juices (lol) then hey, the flavor would PROBABLY improve!)

 

[Kopfstimmen]

Guys. You do all realize you're being played like a flute. Any time you reply to a GN thread, it only feeds the troll. By even typing this, I am in a perverse way feeding the troll as well. But I only say this because GN will never go away. He cannot be banned for his threads. But we can. His threads always end bad because it's obvious of what he is. Until we can all agree to sit on our hands (which I am not doing, and I hate to even type these words admitting this), and not feed the troll, his posts will just disappear into page two. I've been there, done that with GN and the mods, and my position has been made (he's playing everyone for the fool). The more we try to help the person obviously not needing help, the more he'll post and the more people will get banned or collect infractions. Heck, I probably just got one now. Everyone's hands are tied in this.

Hence the wording in my post above. What if someone looking for the information reads this? They need help, too. I haven't followed the OP that closely, so I'm not 100% certain that some posts (from unnamed people, of course,) aren't just arrogant and bombastic as I suspect they are. Still, I'd like to add 2 cents that aren't ban-worthy.

 

[retired1]

This is revolutional information! It proves that it's less about wicking and more about vaporization rate and the rate that air comes in contact with the coil, which causes the coil to leave permenant deposits of either gunk or metal on the SILICA. This is, no matter what anyone says, at least a test that EVERYONE should try out!

The only thing that's revolutional about it is it's an opinion and still isn't fact. We would appreciate that in the future, your posts reflect this.

 

[Rocketpunk]

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[danny4x4]

Stop posting your ridiculous Theories and mind boggling BS. Do some reading and bring just one useful thing to ECF.
You have displayed an uncanny ability to draw people in while attempting to create an air of Miss-information on every subject you post about.
You have done an excellent job of hiding behind the guise of an inept individual attempting to prove himself an expert on Vaping.
You have Claimed to be a knowledgeable reviewer, here to help the community. Thus far you have only posted negative views, personal opinion, psycho babble and miss-information.

I no longer think you are the most inept Vapor ever to grace these forums. I am no longer of the belief you have ever Vaped or that any of your knowledge is first hand. It is far more likely you have been doing your homework. Reading here/other forums/News and health releases, and armed yourself with the information needed to present corrupted facts and fantasy as personal experience.

It is my personal thought, you may be a Student working a Theseus or you are simply another of those that need to disrupt and destroy that which you do not accept.

Considering the way Google works, I will refrain form further attempting to respond with logic to your supposed theories. I prefer not to attract more ANTZ to ECF.

You have achieved the unachievable. You have continually ridiculed Vaping under the guise being a Vapor in need on a Vaping forum. With each new thread you have reached deeper into the bag and pulled out new miss-information and created more panic and concern for new vapors. You have never found any solution to any posted supposed issue and just move on to your next target......err....Topic...err.......Issue............oh, Theory.

I believe it is time people here take 2 pieces of advice:
1) Stop attempting to assist in solving your supposed issues. No suggestions have ever been proven to make any difference.(can't fit it if it isn't real)
2) Stop feeding your Threads in Anger/Humor/ or any other emotional response as this may also be expected and intended.

Lastly, I have come to realize, the best thing I have read in any of these GN Threads was:

THREAD CLOSED

All in favor say "aye".

Aye!

 

[Diogenes]

That's a really good idea! I'm gonna do that with these juices, for sure.

Btw ya'll, I just found something out!!!!!!

So on the iClear 30, I was actually getting a pretty darn good vape at 10 watts, the flavor was coming through, the vapor was good, I was very satisfied, went through like half a tank.

I wanted a bit better flavor, so you know how RIP will vape on a RDA, and when he vapes, he'll do a little short drag (with vapor coming out) and then do a longer drag, sort of like a pipe? Well I did that on the iClear, to see if it did anything better and guess what:

It made the flavor taste like that burnt silica taste I get on most worse devices. The hit was incredibly nasty.

The flavor persisted from that hit on, and I had to dial my wattage down to 8.0 to get rid of the sililca taste, which sucks, as I was liking the 10 watts better.

But you know why that happened? There's only two scientific explainations:

During the "second" that I wasn't drawing in, but firing the coil, that the particular coil (either Kanthal or chinese Nicrhome) left a deposit on the Silica that I can taste to an extreme, OR it caused some PG/Nic gunk on the coil. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO SCIENTIFIC EXPLAINATIONS. Silica doesn't burn, it shouldn't have a taste itself! No other explaination could explain!

Ok, just so I have this straight, you were vaping at 10 watts, did a short/long drag combo, and got a bad taste, right? I can tell you exactly what happened, as it's happened to me. You burned some of your juice by having the power set too high, and not using good draw/puff technique.

It seems like you watch a lot of Youtube videos, so hopefully you've seen this too, as I have, it seems that the people vaping at higher wattages take shorter puffs. That's it. They aren't sucking for 5, 7, 11 seconds. Just a big, short puff, then stop. Depending on the juice, it will scorch at higher watts/volts, due to the coil getting much hotter.

Personally, I vape on carto tanks and Davides at anywhere from 7 to 9 watts of power. That's it. I do like a cooler vape, and have no interest in producing massive clouds. And you know what? Even with coils I have had in rotation for months, I still get a great vape out of it.

 

[Ryedan]

Guys. You do all realize you're being played like a flute. Any time you reply to a GN thread, it only feeds the troll. By even typing this, I am in a perverse way feeding the troll as well. But I only say this because GN will never go away. He cannot be banned for his threads. But we can. His threads always end bad because it's obvious of what he is. Until we can all agree to sit on our hands (which I am not doing, and I hate to even type these words admitting this), and not feed the troll, his posts will just disappear into page two. I've been there, done that with GN and the mods, and my position has been made (he's playing everyone for the fool). The more we try to help the person obviously not needing help, the more he'll post and the more people will get banned or collect infractions. Heck, I probably just got one now. Everyone's hands are tied in this.

I know you could be right Rocketpunk, but I'm not sure of it. You just never know with people.

I stopped dwelling on it a little while back. There's no point in trying to help when it's not wanted or understood. But you never know, one day it may sink in. I've also seen some pretty 'out there' people change after a while on ECF. IMO sometimes a little damage control is warranted also, but mostly everyone 'gets it', even the newbies.

Maybe one day we'll understand. In the meantime I'm not taking it too seriously. It is what it is and that's OK. My

Vape happy man!

 

[retired1]

This is being posted as a public service announcement. There's this wonderful little feature on ECF that is underused. It's called the ignore function. To access this feature, click on the username of the individual you wish to ignore. You'll find the option listed there.

I spent 30 minutes this morning cleaning up this thread, and I don't relish the thought of another 30 minutes being spent on cleaning it up again. We're far too busy with other site duties to constantly have to babysit a thread and clean things up because the membership is incapable of following the posting rules.

Keep it on topic. If you can't do that, stay out of the thread.

 

[Diogenes]

How did I miss this??

Well, my issue has always been:

Supertasters, no matter what anyone wants to say, are helpful people. They are sensitive to things that may just "mute" a juice for others. To me, it always begs the question of "What is in this juice?" and "What chemicals is this atomizer producing?"

For the most part, I am indeed only trying to get a good vape, but to an extent, this is all information I think everyone should be interested in if they want to get a better and safer vape. Universally, people say that Cisco's coil wire, which doesn't contain aluminum (unlike any other wire) tastes extremely better. It also could be that they possibly torch or pre-fire their wire. If this is the factor behind it, it could both mean less metallic or production oil particles in our vape (which, in my testing and belief, I believe that coils can cause metallic and/or machine oil deposits onto silica, with heat), and it could spell out a safer, tastier vape for everyone beyond those who can't exactly taste it like I can.

I really have to ask, as much as you pimp Cisco, you wouldn't happen to work for them, would you? And I'm asking in all seriousness. It just seems you mention them in almost every single post.

All the steps like torching help too. But everyone here, mostly RDA'ers, are getting grand results because they've listened to my theories even before I ever posted them on this forum. They just didn't care too much for the science behind it. I do. I want to know WHY. I'm rarely saying anything on this forum that anyone disagrees with, it's just that no one agrees with the science, because A. It may be wrong, I'm not perfect. and B. They don't care about they science, they just do the complex steps with no question as to why.

Wow, just wow. So all the RDAers here owe you a great big thank-you then? The RDAers are getting grand results because of experience and fine tuning their setups to their liking, not because of your posts.

My iClear 30 "puff style" test just proved to me that there's either metallic chemicals, or gunk from the juice, that is instilled into the vapor when a device doesn't have proper airflow and vaporizes juice to quickly (it's on page #3 if anyone wants to read, and it supports my theory about PG juice in lower end coils). The iClear 30 was working great (as it wicks very well) until I happened to fire the coil without constantly inhaling. That proves that airflow and excellent wicking (and a tad of thick juice) is a MUST to prevent this bad, wicky taste to me. I believe it's entirely either A. Gunk or B. Metal.

Clearos work on a vacuum principal. By puffing on the device, you create a high pressure vacuum, which is in turn imparted on the fluid reservoir, and creates a low pressure vacuum. By pressing the fire button and not sucking, you are not creating a vacuum, which does not suck any fluid into the wick. That does not replace the fluid that is being vaporized in a fast enough fashion, thus causing it to scorch. It has nothing to do with lower end coils. It does, however, have everything to do with how you suck.

In the words of Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that.

 

[Kopfstimmen]

Supertasters, no matter what anyone wants to say, are helpful people. They are sensitive to things that may just "mute" a juice for others. To me, it always begs the question of "What is in this juice?" and "What chemicals is this atomizer producing?"

I almost forgot - there's one more comment I'd like to add to this. Being a supertaster is all well and good, but try Synesthesia (look it up if you don't know what that is). My friend has this condition, and it's not easy either. She can still taste the juice, but she gets colors on top of it, which is probably just as annoying. She can taste the juice, and it tastes good, but the resulting colors for most of them are "gross" and distracting to the point that she can't drive. I would also like to add that she is helpful, too.

My point in mentioning this is that you can stick with the equipment that works with you, but some things will never change.

 

[Rocketpunk]

Keep it on topic. If you can't do that, stay out of the thread.

That's the issue. He HAS no topic. It's all over the place. But you're right, and I'm done. It's no surprise why every thread he creates ends bad.

 

[KenD]

GN - no one has experienced the multitude of problems that you keep describing, in fact, your experiences are the opposite of those of most other vapers; what you are doing is nowhere near science, stop using terms that you don't get the meaning of; you have proven nothing, you have far-out beliefs that are not substantiated; "listening to your theories even before you have posted them" is an impossibility according to our current understanding of physics, time doesn't work that way (not to mention that it is incredibly arrogant to claim credit for the success of far more experienced vapers, particularly when you haven't had any success yourself); you are delusional if you think that anything of what you have posted, your utterly unscientific "science" and unproven "proofs", will revolutionize the vaping world; and you are most certainly not being helpful. Not only are you not being helpful, new vapers are risking bad experiences if following your "advice". I see that you have started to regularly offer your advice in threads started by new vapers, offering opinions on devices that you haven't even tried, and repeating helpful tips that have been given to you on your threads as if they were your own. You need to give credit where credit is due.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Goodnews,

Does bottled water (in plastic bottles) have a odd taste to you?
Do you notice left over food stuffs stored in plastic containers (tupperware) have an odd taste?
Does milk from a plastic container taste different to you than that from a waxed cardboard or glass container?
Does drinking a beverage (soft drink, beer etc) from a metal container (usually aluminum) have a metallic taste to you?
Does drinking from a plastic cup through a plastic straw change the flavor of the liquid you're drinking opposed to other container materials?
Do any of the other hundreds of products that are bottled in or served in plastic containers taste off to you?

Answer - yes, maybe you should try glass bottles. But that doesn't explain why all of a sudden juices in plastic bottles that previously tasted okay now taste off.

What does explain it;
Considering you are smoking & vaping at the same time, it isn't a mystery to anyone other than yourself why you struggle with these odd/off tastes.

I went through a 3 month period after my last cigarette where the same exact juices in the same exact delivery devices using the same exact power level and power devices would taste considerably different all throughout a day.
I never really gave it much thought at the time because I accepted the fact my body & senses of smell / taste were going through radical changes from quitting cigarettes, but, they could be described as all sorts of odd / off / weird / burnt / metallic / socky / wicky / insulation / wallboard / paper / cardboard / dry / dusty / dirt / sandy / or oily tastes.

There was nothing wrong with the juices or devices I used, it was my senses of smell / taste going through normal withdraw / repair / recovery process from 35+ years of damage from smoking.
Everything I vaped during that time went from nice and satisfying to disgustingly putrid minute by minute slowly changing to hour by hour then day by day to finally wow now I get what others have been saying.

IMO, and in the opinion of most former smokers, doctors, olfactory and gustatory research scientists, a smokers senses of smell and taste are severely affected by smoking.
All agree it can and in most cases does take from a few weeks to years for a former smokers sense of taste / smell to return / repair / recover.
Some former smokers senses never fully recover, a few recover more rapidly, depends on length and severity of smoking habit.

A super tasters senses are not immune to the damage caused by the thousands of chemicals toxins / additives contained in cigarette smoke.
Actually it has been proven that a super tasters senses of taste / smell are more negatively affected by smoking or air born odors & contaminates.

Most reasonable folks would accept the fact that their senses of taste / smell have been severely damaged by smoking.
Most reasonable folks would accept the fact that there will be uncomfortable, unpleasant sometimes fairly severe side affects during the transition period of quitting a habit or addiction.

Most reasonable folks would accept the fact that no matter the methods used to overcome a habit /addiction it still takes a great deal of good old fashion will power to suck it up and power through the bad times to ultimately be successful in reaching their goal.

Plain and simple, as long as you continue to smoke and haven't allowed time for your senses to recover nothing you say about odd/weird/off tastes can be taken seriously.

There are no answers for how stuff works or any way to come to any valid conclusions when any individuals damaged sensory receptors are used as the base norm.

Please, stop trolling and being completely unreasonable.

Dang, now that is a wall of text.

 

[Kopfstimmen]

Last edited by Topwater Elvis; Today at 06:06 PM. Reason: speeling

*spelling* Hahhahahaha! Sorry, Elvis - otherwise, this post was great.

 

[FearTX]

Lavender soap taste, I get it once in a while. I think it has nothing to do with the plastic bottles and everything to do with me picking similar flavors for days or even weeks until I get flavor fatigue. To combat that I simply switch to another set of flavors for a few days. It works for me. Staying hydrated helps a lot, moving from smoking and vaping to vaping exclusively drastically reduced my exposure to soap flavors.
GN! you know what is really cool? Google, it will give you all the answers you want on this topic. It has been hashed over many times.

crxess, you are my hero for the day that was a good post earlier.

I know I said in the past that I would not put the GoodNews! on ignore.. BUT. His posts are ever pushing the envelope of the ridiculous and he has a gift for drawing in some of the most helpful people on this forum then driving them bat-poop.
I personally no longer find it entertaining at all, in fact I find it to be a continual assault on the very intent of this forum as well as on the efforts of some very helpful and knowledgeable people. The mods can do the math, almost every single thread is baited into trolling and then closed. I can see no provable offense against the TOS by GN!, I however find his efforts personally offensive and am following some sound advice and banning him from my personal ECF experience.

Ignored.

Congratulations GN! you accomplished something, I have never ignored someone before. Heck I do not even have an ignored person on some of the most brutal places on the interwebs, I have been on forums since there were forums.

 

[retired1]

And this thread is done.