Could I be tasting an effect from plastic bottles?
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I know about steeping, but I've steeped juices before, and for me, if there was a juice that had an odd flavor, it never has went away. I've done cap open steeping, cap slightly off steeping, cap off for a second then back on steeping, I've done some different stuff and I've never gotten a specific change in my juices out of it (that was noticeable to me). But I'm not that doesn't mean it can't work now. All I'm saying, is that this is cheap local shop juice, that was always probably thrown into the Evod's before someone's cigarette break, I doubt all that much steeping went into the samplers, especially by the time they're drained by the massive customer flavor (place is like a stampede). I specifically asked the guy at the shop if I should A. Clean my tank. and B. If steeping could improve the taste a little and both times, he looked at me like I was a nut.
So yeah, if an employee wants to do that to me, then trust me, ya'll know the deal, I'll blame it on the vendor's juice. Vendor's need to stop acting like everything is perfect in the world, and if there's a problem, suggest some tips. There ARE weird flavors with juices out there, there ARE people who are sensitive to those tastes, there ARE ways that atomizers can effect the way these flavors are being produced, there ARE people who are sensitive to certain bases, there ARE people who worry about plastic bottles, I don't think I'm that crazy, and I think anyone who believes I am hasn't been around the newbie forum of ECF long enough. An effective solution can be just going over what some possibilities are, and what can solve em.
These newbies encounter strange problems and work them out in the strangest of ways. I see it all the time. I see stuff that I'd never believe myself, but when a user says something like "I hated juices in plastic bottles, but when I switched to glass, I loved em!" then, as a person who trusts people's instincts myself, it strikes me as "Okay, maybe there's some truth to that if it worked." I've even seen plastic bottles with LEECH LAYERS on this forum! Now, I'm not going on about that, it may totally not be the problem, I'm just saying weird things happen.
I'm just a bit less prone to believing it's vapor's tongue because, ya know, vaper's tongue would seem to leave just a muting. Even if it can cause bitter tastes, it's sort of striking me as "if this is what I'm tasting now, what in the world is actually in this juice?"
One thing I think is interesting is that with all the bad flavors I've gotten, it's been a variation of sweet, salty, and bitter. The flavors themselves have been more soapy, metallic, or like combusted cotton, but those three adjectives describe the sense of the taste. I don't want to go into it, but you know, supertasters are indeed supposed to taste some of these aspects more than a normal person - it's why the condition is tested using sour strips and stuff like that. It doesn't apply to every chemical under the sun, even supertasters can't taste all bitter chemicals as bitter, but specifically, there are sour and bitter and alike flavors out there that supertasters can feel and taste, where a normal person, under the same testing, goes "Hm, don't taste anything." I mean, even coffee and beer have chemicals that a supertaster tends to hate, and I think both those things taste like something from the underbellies of a metal factory.
Except that stouts cover up the flavor pretty well (stouts are so strong that it's like, well, might as well go full flavor - chocolate stouts are really what hits the spot though), and I have to put like a pound of sugar in my coffee to even stand it. Some people love black coffee. Garuntee those people aren't supertasters. People don't tend to like something that is so bitter that it hurts their tongue, and this is generally what happens to supertasters when they taste something bitter - it hurts. These juices have such a bitter flavor that it kinda hurts, just like when I put lettuce on my tongue. It doesn't hurt like pain hurt, but it is so strong that it's like, scruntchy face ew.
I mean, my mother is just like me in this factor - my dad likes about every nasty food under the sun, and my mom hates everything I do except American Cheese (which I find too sour). Pickles hurt my tongue they're so bitter. That's how life is for me, and until ya'll accept it, I garuntee ya'll will have a problem with me. Does this mean I should be reviewing? Possibly not. But I've stopped that for now. But no lie, I can taste something with general vaping that most folks CAN'T. So if anyone comes along like me, then maybe I can help them.
There are various levels of being a supertaster after all. I saw a documentary about it, and they said that like %15 of people are full on supertasters, that like %25 of people are halfway there, and that the rest couldn't taste an overwhelming bitterness to any food even if they tried. Sounds like this forum lol. Sounds like the percentage of people who report more problems, and the percentage that doesn't.
So yeah, if an employee wants to do that to me, then trust me, ya'll know the deal, I'll blame it on the vendor's juice. Vendor's need to stop acting like everything is perfect in the world, and if there's a problem, suggest some tips. There ARE weird flavors with juices out there, there ARE people who are sensitive to those tastes, there ARE ways that atomizers can effect the way these flavors are being produced, there ARE people who are sensitive to certain bases, there ARE people who worry about plastic bottles, I don't think I'm that crazy, and I think anyone who believes I am hasn't been around the newbie forum of ECF long enough. An effective solution can be just going over what some possibilities are, and what can solve em.
These newbies encounter strange problems and work them out in the strangest of ways. I see it all the time. I see stuff that I'd never believe myself, but when a user says something like "I hated juices in plastic bottles, but when I switched to glass, I loved em!" then, as a person who trusts people's instincts myself, it strikes me as "Okay, maybe there's some truth to that if it worked." I've even seen plastic bottles with LEECH LAYERS on this forum! Now, I'm not going on about that, it may totally not be the problem, I'm just saying weird things happen.
I'm just a bit less prone to believing it's vapor's tongue because, ya know, vaper's tongue would seem to leave just a muting. Even if it can cause bitter tastes, it's sort of striking me as "if this is what I'm tasting now, what in the world is actually in this juice?"
One thing I think is interesting is that with all the bad flavors I've gotten, it's been a variation of sweet, salty, and bitter. The flavors themselves have been more soapy, metallic, or like combusted cotton, but those three adjectives describe the sense of the taste. I don't want to go into it, but you know, supertasters are indeed supposed to taste some of these aspects more than a normal person - it's why the condition is tested using sour strips and stuff like that. It doesn't apply to every chemical under the sun, even supertasters can't taste all bitter chemicals as bitter, but specifically, there are sour and bitter and alike flavors out there that supertasters can feel and taste, where a normal person, under the same testing, goes "Hm, don't taste anything." I mean, even coffee and beer have chemicals that a supertaster tends to hate, and I think both those things taste like something from the underbellies of a metal factory.
Except that stouts cover up the flavor pretty well (stouts are so strong that it's like, well, might as well go full flavor - chocolate stouts are really what hits the spot though), and I have to put like a pound of sugar in my coffee to even stand it. Some people love black coffee. Garuntee those people aren't supertasters. People don't tend to like something that is so bitter that it hurts their tongue, and this is generally what happens to supertasters when they taste something bitter - it hurts. These juices have such a bitter flavor that it kinda hurts, just like when I put lettuce on my tongue. It doesn't hurt like pain hurt, but it is so strong that it's like, scruntchy face ew.
I mean, my mother is just like me in this factor - my dad likes about every nasty food under the sun, and my mom hates everything I do except American Cheese (which I find too sour). Pickles hurt my tongue they're so bitter. That's how life is for me, and until ya'll accept it, I garuntee ya'll will have a problem with me. Does this mean I should be reviewing? Possibly not. But I've stopped that for now. But no lie, I can taste something with general vaping that most folks CAN'T. So if anyone comes along like me, then maybe I can help them.
There are various levels of being a supertaster after all. I saw a documentary about it, and they said that like %15 of people are full on supertasters, that like %25 of people are halfway there, and that the rest couldn't taste an overwhelming bitterness to any food even if they tried. Sounds like this forum lol. Sounds like the percentage of people who report more problems, and the percentage that doesn't.
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All I'm saying is that super-tasting, which is actually a lot more common than people think (and varies in strength from person to person - it's not like it's just one level or taste or the other, and it's not as simple as "preference", its actually the genetic way each of our tongues are made and the amount and size of papilia on our tongue), can effect a LOT of people on this forum.
Think about it - some people love CE4's, some hate em. Some people love cheap Chinese juices, some hate em. Some people love vaping and never encountered problems, some have every problem in the world. Some people report their CE4 heads lasting a month, some report them tasting good for two days, or not at all.
While I think I'm correct in assuming that the worse the coil is, and worse the juice is, that it naturally gives off worse flavors, I think that actually there is some genetic variance around here in the folks that can taste those effects to a more extreme nature than others. My big thing right now is that I don't believe this is so much based on smoking - a popular theory that has pretty much been there since the dawn of vaping. Just because we ALL smoke, we blame it on smoking!
But I don't believe that's the entire truth to it. The truth is, even if you're a smoker, you shouldn't taste horrible things in your vape, and if you do, you're likely more sensitive to the metal in coils, silica, the ingredients in juice, plastic, silica dust (which is a real thing, I've worked with silica in this hobby long enough to know - again, a simple test is mushing silica between your fingers and then holding your fingers under a light, you'll see all sorts of glitter), machine oils, contaminants, oxidation, gunk, and whatever other possibilities.
And if that's the case, especially if your one of the most sensitive to these things, like me, vaping will be a very hard journey, as I believe vaping is NOT perfectly sanitary or safe (though safer than cigarettes) and that things like cleaning, seeking out high-standard juices, glass bottles, certain coil materials, torching your silica, boiling your devices in alcohol, steeping, ALL those things may just be why we have RDA'ers as of right now. If RDA'ers didn't get all these effects from the lower end devices, they wouldn't have moved on. I don't think any RDA'er here does RDA'ing just because "there wasn't enough vapor". If that's seriously all why anyone RDA's and performs all sorts of complex steps, then seriously, try the Aspire models, you'll be downright surprised at the vapor. Garuntee it's a great recommendation.
Now, have I tried those complex steps? By no means. I'm lazy. I'm fidgety. In some cases, I'm very dumb. I'm overparanoid. It's hindered a lot.
But the good news is - this iClear 30 isn't half bad. So far, it's possibly better than the carto tanks. It's not the joy of my little Flux+VG combo, but it's actually second best. I might halfway recommend this thing actually. Bitterness has went down, it's starting to improve a little. I'm giving it a lot of credit where it probably shouldn't have it, but it's not presenting too horrible of a vape this morning. Little dry at worst!
Think about it - some people love CE4's, some hate em. Some people love cheap Chinese juices, some hate em. Some people love vaping and never encountered problems, some have every problem in the world. Some people report their CE4 heads lasting a month, some report them tasting good for two days, or not at all.
While I think I'm correct in assuming that the worse the coil is, and worse the juice is, that it naturally gives off worse flavors, I think that actually there is some genetic variance around here in the folks that can taste those effects to a more extreme nature than others. My big thing right now is that I don't believe this is so much based on smoking - a popular theory that has pretty much been there since the dawn of vaping. Just because we ALL smoke, we blame it on smoking!
But I don't believe that's the entire truth to it. The truth is, even if you're a smoker, you shouldn't taste horrible things in your vape, and if you do, you're likely more sensitive to the metal in coils, silica, the ingredients in juice, plastic, silica dust (which is a real thing, I've worked with silica in this hobby long enough to know - again, a simple test is mushing silica between your fingers and then holding your fingers under a light, you'll see all sorts of glitter), machine oils, contaminants, oxidation, gunk, and whatever other possibilities.
And if that's the case, especially if your one of the most sensitive to these things, like me, vaping will be a very hard journey, as I believe vaping is NOT perfectly sanitary or safe (though safer than cigarettes) and that things like cleaning, seeking out high-standard juices, glass bottles, certain coil materials, torching your silica, boiling your devices in alcohol, steeping, ALL those things may just be why we have RDA'ers as of right now. If RDA'ers didn't get all these effects from the lower end devices, they wouldn't have moved on. I don't think any RDA'er here does RDA'ing just because "there wasn't enough vapor". If that's seriously all why anyone RDA's and performs all sorts of complex steps, then seriously, try the Aspire models, you'll be downright surprised at the vapor. Garuntee it's a great recommendation.
Now, have I tried those complex steps? By no means. I'm lazy. I'm fidgety. In some cases, I'm very dumb. I'm overparanoid. It's hindered a lot.
But the good news is - this iClear 30 isn't half bad. So far, it's possibly better than the carto tanks. It's not the joy of my little Flux+VG combo, but it's actually second best. I might halfway recommend this thing actually. Bitterness has went down, it's starting to improve a little. I'm giving it a lot of credit where it probably shouldn't have it, but it's not presenting too horrible of a vape this morning. Little dry at worst!
A thread that might interest the OP over in the e-liquid section of the forum.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ids-have-no-perfume-soap-chemical-tastes.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ids-have-no-perfume-soap-chemical-tastes.html
Ok so I've received several freshly mixed juices in several batches in the mail before. Only 2 of those juices in 2 different batches had that soapy flavor going on with them. All my juices come in plastic bottles with the exception of Halo. Steeping helps but sometimes is just not quick enough. If it was the plastic I would've easily noticed in all my other juices as well.
I think I have found a cure for this juice ailment, but only had the chance to try it out once so far. Before I tried this I did let my juice sit for about 2 weeks, not sure if that had any effect because it didn't seem to in a taste test.
I'll dub it aggressive steeping:
If you have something like a stereo or other slightly warm constant heat source just put your bottle on there for a day, leave it open. The next day, close it and put it in the fridge and in the evening place it back on the warmth. Do this cycle at least 2 or 3 times and taste test it. Keep doing this until the soapy flavor goes away.
I think I have found a cure for this juice ailment, but only had the chance to try it out once so far. Before I tried this I did let my juice sit for about 2 weeks, not sure if that had any effect because it didn't seem to in a taste test.
I'll dub it aggressive steeping:
If you have something like a stereo or other slightly warm constant heat source just put your bottle on there for a day, leave it open. The next day, close it and put it in the fridge and in the evening place it back on the warmth. Do this cycle at least 2 or 3 times and taste test it. Keep doing this until the soapy flavor goes away.
Problem here is that OP throws so much irrelevant information into his posts that we get confused and lost in wading thru the text.
Going thru his original post again, even his previous juices which didn't have the soapy taste previously, now has it. Only those in glass bottles are free from the taste.
Again, GoodNews, JUST USE GLASS BOTTLES! Keep to the facts and the current problem. No need to write your life story.
Going thru his original post again, even his previous juices which didn't have the soapy taste previously, now has it. Only those in glass bottles are free from the taste.
Again, GoodNews, JUST USE GLASS BOTTLES! Keep to the facts and the current problem. No need to write your life story.
That's a really good idea! I'm gonna do that with these juices, for sure.
Btw ya'll, I just found something out!!!!!!
So on the iClear 30, I was actually getting a pretty darn good vape at 10 watts, the flavor was coming through, the vapor was good, I was very satisfied, went through like half a tank.
I wanted a bit better flavor, so you know how RIP will vape on a RDA, and when he vapes, he'll do a little short drag (with vapor coming out) and then do a longer drag, sort of like a pipe? Well I did that on the iClear, to see if it did anything better and guess what:
It made the flavor taste like that burnt silica taste I get on most worse devices. The hit was incredibly nasty.
The flavor persisted from that hit on, and I had to dial my wattage down to 8.0 to get rid of the sililca taste, which sucks, as I was liking the 10 watts better.
But you know why that happened? There's only two scientific explainations:
During the "second" that I wasn't drawing in, but firing the coil, that the particular coil (either Kanthal or chinese Nicrhome) left a deposit on the Silica that I can taste to an extreme, OR it caused some PG/Nic gunk on the coil. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO SCIENTIFIC EXPLAINATIONS. Silica doesn't burn, it shouldn't have a taste itself! No other explaination could explain!
So I'm very confident that with Cisco's wire, and building a great coil that also helps prevent this effect (bad coils cause it out the wazoo), then I'll get a great result!
I'm actually very happy I just now got a set-in-stone situation that caused this effect on a GOOD device that WAS working great until my draw trick ruined it! Which this particular draw trick caused the coil to "behave" like they do on crappy old CE4's that don't wick as well and don't have good airflow!
!!!!
If the moderators haven't figured out Good News... they should be made aware of this;
I've already explained countless times how Tim & Eric are my favorite comedians!
They're my mascots because their "craziness" is the equal to the real life experiences I've had in vaping!
They're my mascots because their "craziness" is the equal to the real life experiences I've had in vaping!
I think about 99.xx% of people on ECF figure out solutions to their vaping issues. I've seen solutions that were very simple, some very innovative, some quite complex, some I didn't understand and some I thought were obviously not really the solution to the issue the person had. In the end though what matters is the person is happy with their vape and not smoking.
Of the people who never get satisfaction from vaping I've found most are simply not able to come to grips with the fact that 1) vaping hardware is not perfect, or 2) that our sense of taste and smell are fickle things which can change at a moments notice (or with no notice at all).
Here's to you getting out of that 0.xx% sometime
Vape on
Transfer your juice into glass bottles OP. I'm sorry more vendors don't already do this, and I'm sorry you're a super taster and as a result you're having a crummy time of it, but you can not expect the rest of the world to change how they operate because you are a super taster. The solution to the soapy problem is to change how YOU operate. It's much easier to get a desired result by changing something you do, rather then demand or expect a vendor to change the way they do business for you. This alos applies to your problems with stock coils and clearos. Easier to change what you are doing then to go after the manufacturers and trying to rally us to do the same. That is the point to all these posts, isn't it? To gather people to your cause to change how all these vendors and manufacturers practices? The problem with that is, there is a majority of people who haven't experienced all that you have, so the gathering of people isn't going so well. If you are a supertaster, you are a minority. Not saying that being in the minority automatically disqualifies you from a say in all of this. Just saying that if you want a good experience, and you want it now, it's best to change what YOU are doing at the moment.
Rebuild your own coils in glass tanks. Order from vendors who use glass bottles, or make sure you transfer your juice from plastic into glass as soon as you can, and let them steep in glass. These are your options right now. You will not go far trying to be a one man crusader to change the vaping industry. There are quality vendors who use quality ingredients in quality glass packaging that you can choose to do business with already. Your voice will be heard far better by choosing where to spend your money as opposed to coming here and refuse to try these alternate suggestions. It begs the question, do you want help? Is help really the thing you want, or is it that you are trying to rally people to a cause to change the vaping industry to better suit you? Be realistic. I get that some vendors need to beef of quality control. I agree there. I don't get why so many suggestions that are made on what to do in the meantime are rebuffed. When enough people choose to spend their money elsewhere, as opposed to buying juice in plastic bottles and buying typical clearos, then your goal will be achieved. Until then, you need to make do with what is available, and there ARE things available to you. Start spending your money on those things and start accepting the help and suggestions that are being made here.
Rebuild your own coils in glass tanks. Order from vendors who use glass bottles, or make sure you transfer your juice from plastic into glass as soon as you can, and let them steep in glass. These are your options right now. You will not go far trying to be a one man crusader to change the vaping industry. There are quality vendors who use quality ingredients in quality glass packaging that you can choose to do business with already. Your voice will be heard far better by choosing where to spend your money as opposed to coming here and refuse to try these alternate suggestions. It begs the question, do you want help? Is help really the thing you want, or is it that you are trying to rally people to a cause to change the vaping industry to better suit you? Be realistic. I get that some vendors need to beef of quality control. I agree there. I don't get why so many suggestions that are made on what to do in the meantime are rebuffed. When enough people choose to spend their money elsewhere, as opposed to buying juice in plastic bottles and buying typical clearos, then your goal will be achieved. Until then, you need to make do with what is available, and there ARE things available to you. Start spending your money on those things and start accepting the help and suggestions that are being made here.
That he does and I think I diagnosed his misfortune of coming to, what I believe is, the wrong conclusion. I think it was just bad luck with certain juices. I hope he follows up on this thread in a week or so to describe how the heavy steeping I described worked out for him.
Problem solving 101. Identify the issue, do the research, team-build as required to solve and then confirm the solution works/doesn't work.
Damn we're good.
World hunger doesn't stand a chance
Ya, but not everyone has read those posts, or remember them if they did.
Problem solving 101. Identify the issue, do the research, team-build as required to solve and then confirm the solution works/doesn't work.
Damn we're good.
World hunger doesn't stand a chance
Biting my tongue........a lot lately. It is starting to hurt
You do realize many of your atomizers were/are plastic, correct?
You do realize Plastic is a Generic word in todays society, much like Clearomizer, right?
PET is not LDPE and is not HDPE, polypropylene is not Polycarbonate.
You Are aware Citric Flavoring is not Menthol that is nothing like Tobacco Abstract that is not comparable to sweeteners?
You are no doubt up on Molecular combination and change, right?
Most of all you do realize - Plastics are tested for and produced to fill specific needs? Glass is done the same.
(Green) also comes into the mix - Environmental concerns!
Now - Take a look at the Flavor listing of known e-liquid manufacturing companies.
Not the Start ups or the Gourmet Mixers or the Few flavor wonders.
The Companies that actually have a large number of employees, scientist in house, and actual Manufacturing facilities.
No Atomic Fire Ball, no Manic Menthol, no 5 flavor shot offerings.
Ask yourself, why is it that those taste the same 6 months after purchase as the first month?
Stop posting your ridiculous Theories and mind boggling BS. Do some reading and bring just one useful thing to ECF.
You have displayed an uncanny ability to draw people in while attempting to create an air of Miss-information on every subject you post about.
You have done an excellent job of hiding behind the guise of an inept individual attempting to prove himself an expert on Vaping.
You have Claimed to be a knowledgeable reviewer, here to help the community. Thus far you have only posted negative views, personal opinion, psycho babble and miss-information.
I no longer think you are the most inept Vapor ever to grace these forums. I am no longer of the belief you have ever Vaped or that any of your knowledge is first hand. It is far more likely you have been doing your homework. Reading here/other forums/News and health releases, and armed yourself with the information needed to present corrupted facts and fantasy as personal experience.
It is my personal thought, you may be a Student working a Theseus or you are simply another of those that need to disrupt and destroy that which you do not accept.
Considering the way Google works, I will refrain form further attempting to respond with logic to your supposed theories. I prefer not to attract more ANTZ to ECF.
You have achieved the unachievable. You have continually ridiculed Vaping under the guise being a Vapor in need on a Vaping forum. With each new thread you have reached deeper into the bag and pulled out new miss-information and created more panic and concern for new vapors. You have never found any solution to any posted supposed issue and just move on to your next target......err....Topic...err.......Issue............oh, Theory.
I believe it is time people here take 2 pieces of advice:
1) Stop attempting to assist in solving your supposed issues. No suggestions have ever been proven to make any difference.(can't fit it if it isn't real)
2) Stop feeding your Threads in Anger/Humor/ or any other emotional response as this may also be expected and intended.
Lastly, I have come to realize, the best thing I have read in any of these GN Threads was:
THREAD CLOSED
You do realize Plastic is a Generic word in todays society, much like Clearomizer, right?
PET is not LDPE and is not HDPE, polypropylene is not Polycarbonate.
You Are aware Citric Flavoring is not Menthol that is nothing like Tobacco Abstract that is not comparable to sweeteners?
You are no doubt up on Molecular combination and change, right?
Most of all you do realize - Plastics are tested for and produced to fill specific needs? Glass is done the same.
(Green) also comes into the mix - Environmental concerns!
Now - Take a look at the Flavor listing of known e-liquid manufacturing companies.
Not the Start ups or the Gourmet Mixers or the Few flavor wonders.
The Companies that actually have a large number of employees, scientist in house, and actual Manufacturing facilities.
No Atomic Fire Ball, no Manic Menthol, no 5 flavor shot offerings.
Ask yourself, why is it that those taste the same 6 months after purchase as the first month?
Stop posting your ridiculous Theories and mind boggling BS. Do some reading and bring just one useful thing to ECF.
You have displayed an uncanny ability to draw people in while attempting to create an air of Miss-information on every subject you post about.
You have done an excellent job of hiding behind the guise of an inept individual attempting to prove himself an expert on Vaping.
You have Claimed to be a knowledgeable reviewer, here to help the community. Thus far you have only posted negative views, personal opinion, psycho babble and miss-information.
I no longer think you are the most inept Vapor ever to grace these forums. I am no longer of the belief you have ever Vaped or that any of your knowledge is first hand. It is far more likely you have been doing your homework. Reading here/other forums/News and health releases, and armed yourself with the information needed to present corrupted facts and fantasy as personal experience.
It is my personal thought, you may be a Student working a Theseus or you are simply another of those that need to disrupt and destroy that which you do not accept.
Considering the way Google works, I will refrain form further attempting to respond with logic to your supposed theories. I prefer not to attract more ANTZ to ECF.
You have achieved the unachievable. You have continually ridiculed Vaping under the guise being a Vapor in need on a Vaping forum. With each new thread you have reached deeper into the bag and pulled out new miss-information and created more panic and concern for new vapors. You have never found any solution to any posted supposed issue and just move on to your next target......err....Topic...err.......Issue............oh, Theory.
I believe it is time people here take 2 pieces of advice:
1) Stop attempting to assist in solving your supposed issues. No suggestions have ever been proven to make any difference.(can't fit it if it isn't real)
2) Stop feeding your Threads in Anger/Humor/ or any other emotional response as this may also be expected and intended.
Lastly, I have come to realize, the best thing I have read in any of these GN Threads was:
THREAD CLOSED
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GoodNews,
I agree with the switch to glass bottles. At this point, I'm beginning to believe that a lot of your problems are psychosomatic, but if the switch to glass bottles and VG makes you feel better, then so be it. Same with Cisco and Aspire equipment. If that's what "does it" for you, then by all means run with it. Personally, I use plastic, and have never noticed a problem (other than juice I just don't like). Likewise, I prefer ViviNovas and Protank 2s, although you and many others here would probably argue that they suck.
I also agree that you come to terms with the thought that vaping instead of smoking is not perfect. It's hard work, actually. If it wasn't, this forum wouldn't have as many members. I quit about a year and a half ago, but it was still a major effort for me. I vaped and smoked together for 6 months, then decided I would tough it out, and my reward is better health, an unopened pack of smokes in my glove box, and periodic leaking equipment that isn't as easy to use as a cigarette. Still, I deal with it.
On a final note, I would like to make a gentle suggestion. You caught my eye a few days ago, and I've noticed a little bit of a pattern (read: science). Now I'm no scientist (although I'm married to one, and am not exactly stupid), but please, please, please - if you're going to allude to science all of the time and talk about how you're in the top 2% in your state (or whatever) regarding intelligence or IQ (whatever it was), pay attention to grammar and spelling. It makes it hard to take someone seriously when they claim how smart they are but let a lot of mistakes slip through.
PS. Also avoid the word "stuff" in a hypothesis.
I agree with the switch to glass bottles. At this point, I'm beginning to believe that a lot of your problems are psychosomatic, but if the switch to glass bottles and VG makes you feel better, then so be it. Same with Cisco and Aspire equipment. If that's what "does it" for you, then by all means run with it. Personally, I use plastic, and have never noticed a problem (other than juice I just don't like). Likewise, I prefer ViviNovas and Protank 2s, although you and many others here would probably argue that they suck.
I also agree that you come to terms with the thought that vaping instead of smoking is not perfect. It's hard work, actually. If it wasn't, this forum wouldn't have as many members. I quit about a year and a half ago, but it was still a major effort for me. I vaped and smoked together for 6 months, then decided I would tough it out, and my reward is better health, an unopened pack of smokes in my glove box, and periodic leaking equipment that isn't as easy to use as a cigarette. Still, I deal with it.
On a final note, I would like to make a gentle suggestion. You caught my eye a few days ago, and I've noticed a little bit of a pattern (read: science). Now I'm no scientist (although I'm married to one, and am not exactly stupid), but please, please, please - if you're going to allude to science all of the time and talk about how you're in the top 2% in your state (or whatever) regarding intelligence or IQ (whatever it was), pay attention to grammar and spelling. It makes it hard to take someone seriously when they claim how smart they are but let a lot of mistakes slip through.
PS. Also avoid the word "stuff" in a hypothesis.
Guys. You do all realize you're being played like a flute. Any time you reply to a GN thread, it only feeds the troll. By even typing this, I am in a perverse way feeding the troll as well. But I only say this because GN will never go away. He cannot be banned for his threads. But we can. His threads always end bad because it's obvious of what he is. Until we can all agree to sit on our hands (which I am not doing, and I hate to even type these words admitting this), and not feed the troll, his posts will just disappear into page two. I've been there, done that with GN and the mods, and my position has been made (he's playing everyone for the fool). The more we try to help the person obviously not needing help, the more he'll post and the more people will get banned or collect infractions. Heck, I probably just got one now. Everyone's hands are tied in this.
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