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Robert Cromwell

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I agree that fear mongering is pointless. Understanding that some designs are more dangerious when they fail than others is just being responsible.

A box mech with a standard 510 connection and magnetic door is safer than a design like the Simple.


Yepper most box type mods will vent really well and not explode if the battery goes critical. Most tube mods will NOT vent properly if the battery goes critical.
 
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If the threaded part (outer) of the 510 comes into contact with the top of the battery it is a dead short. then after you fire the mod and are wondering why you are getting no vapor the battery is rapidly going into meltdown. The case of the battery swells up from heat and seals off the bottom vent holes so the next thing it the top blows off violently in your mouth/face.
The center pin on the atty MUST stick down farther than the threaded outer portion. Also dropping or over tightening can cause the center pin to push up in the threaded portion a bit allowing the threaded portion to come into contact with the top post on the battery. Again dead short and bad things happen.
These issues are why all mods that use the bottom of the atty to contact directly with the top of the battery ARE dangerous and can go into meltdown even if you use an atty with a protruding center pin. And it gets damaged in some way.
I understand that, but clearomizers & drippers have the same 510 designs.
 

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I understand that, but clearomizers & drippers have the same 510 designs.
No they do not. some have 510 center pins that protrude down below the threading and some do not.

And some just barely protrude so if the top of the battery dents in just a bit the outer threaded portion contacts the top of the battery and bad things happen.

And the top of the battery will dent in a bit from dropping or over tightening.
 

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Could you please tell me what the advantage is to a mod like the Smpl?
Size and simplicity, it's under 80mm tall and has a grand total of five parts including the spring and circlip for the switch, it has three machined parts total. Less parts makes for less surface to surface contact area, which in turn equates to more voltage going to your coils and less being lost in the mod so it maintains a higher battery voltage for longer. Ignore the people saying it's specifically for cloud competitions as that simply isn't the case, the design is actually quite ingenious if you take the time to look at it. Speaking for the tolerances with the authentic version with a properly made atomizer the negative threading doesn't even protrude from the 510 thread of the mod itself, making it virtually impossible to hard-short at the atomizer connection especially when you add to this that the inside of the top is machined with a concave step so that the battery positive cannot ever reach the negative of the mod body even without the atomizer installed.
 

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I agree that fear mongering is pointless. Understanding that some designs are more dangerious when they fail than others is just being responsible.

A box mech with a standard 510 connection and magnetic door is safer than a design like the Simple.

What makes it safer????? Most 510's are not sealed, Box or tube they are both just battery holders. A bad atty in a poorly maintained Box mod is JUST as prone to failure as any other mod. Reason, it's not the mod that fails. It is just the WHERE of the failure. It the OPERATOR who ignores safety that FAIL. Venting batteries are the result of OPERATOR failure.
 

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    I understand that, but clearomizers & drippers have the same 510 designs.

    No they don't!
    This is an example of a 510 connector designed for a hybrid top cap.
    HB0002-2.jpg


    This 510 connector was not.
    510-CARTOMIZER-BLANK-SLB-2.jpg


    The difference is that with the bottom example, the center pin is mounted in a silicone rubber insulator, and can be made to move. With the top example the center pin is ridged and can't be pressed up into the 510 connector.
     
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    Easy way to put it is... No signal loss. The center post connects directly to the battery therefore the energy goes directly to the coil instead of going through a pin first.

    Edit* bad wording ^__^

    Size and simplicity, it's under 80mm tall and has a grand total of five parts including the spring and circlip for the switch, it has three machined parts total. Less parts makes for less surface to surface contact area, which in turn equates to more voltage going to your coils and less being lost in the mod so it maintains a higher battery voltage for longer. Ignore the people saying it's specifically for cloud competitions as that simply isn't the case, the design is actually quite ingenious if you take the time to look at it. Speaking for the tolerances with the authentic version with a properly made atomizer the negative threading doesn't even protrude from the 510 thread of the mod itself, making it virtually impossible to hard-short at the atomizer connection especially when you add to this that the inside of the top is machined with a concave step so that the battery positive cannot ever reach the negative of the mod body even without the atomizer installed.

    What makes this better than say my IPV4s? trying to figure out if the risk would be worth the reward for me!
     

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    What makes it safer????? Most 510's are not sealed, Box or tube they are both just battery holders. A bad atty in a poorly maintained Box mod is JUST as prone to failure as any other mod. Reason, it's not the mod that fails. It is just the WHERE of the failure. It the OPERATOR who ignores safety that FAIL. Venting batteries are the result of OPERATOR failure.
    Most tube mods have venting on the bottom. The first thing that happens when a battery goes critical is that it swells up sealing off the flow from the top of the battery to the bottom of the mod where the venting is. Thus pressure builds up until something blows. A few tube mods have venting in the top.
    A box mod generally has a door or is in a holder that will not seal off the venting gasses from getting to the vent holes or just vent around the door.
    Batteries vent from the top it is their design.
     
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    Easy way to put it is... No signal loss. The center post connects directly to the battery therefore the energy goes directly to the coil instead of going through a pin first.

    Edit* bad wording ^__^
    Technically one less contact resistance point.

    So ~0.001 Ohm better.

    There is much more potential resistance variation between the hold down screws and the Al2O3 coating that forms around the wire.

    Within this system of variables there is no real advantage.
     

    Boden

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    What makes it safer????? Most 510's are not sealed, Box or tube they are both just battery holders. A bad atty in a poorly maintained Box mod is JUST as prone to failure as any other mod. Reason, it's not the mod that fails. It is just the WHERE of the failure. It the OPERATOR who ignores safety that FAIL. Venting batteries are the result of OPERATOR failure.
    The magnetic door pops off when the batteries vent vs turning into a pressure vessel.
     

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    Most tube mods have venting on the bottom. The first thing that happens when a battery goes critical is that it swells up sealing off the flow from the top of the battery to the bottom of the mod where the venting is. Thus pressure builds up until something blows. A few tube mods have venting in the top.
    A box mod generally has a door or is in a holder that will not seal off the venting gasses from getting to the vent holes or just vent around the door.
    Batteries vent from the top it is their design.

    So what a box mod does in lessen the severity of the venting episode. It does nothing to reduce the chances of said venting.

    IF the OPERATOR were to operate the mod correctly, NO venting happens in the first place.

    You are making the same argument the ANTI-Gun crowd makes. Make a safer gun and people will not get killed.
     

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    What makes this better than say my IPV4s? trying to figure out if the risk would be worth the reward for me!

    It's not better, or worse. If it is pure safety and reward you are after go regulated. This when if a bad event is going to happen, chances are the PCB will fry before anything truly bad happens.
     

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    So what a box mod does in lessen the severity of the venting episode. It does nothing to reduce the chances of said venting.

    IF the OPERATOR were to operate the mod correctly, NO venting happens in the first place.

    You are making the same argument the ANTI-Gun crowd makes. Make a safer gun and people will not get killed.
    Not just operator error failure in the 510 center pin of the atty can cause the problem.
    More like having a gun with no safety on it.
     

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    So what a box mod does in lessen the severity of the venting episode. It does nothing to reduce the chances of said venting.

    IF the OPERATOR were to operate the mod correctly, NO venting happens in the first place.

    You are making the same argument the ANTI-Gun crowd makes. Make a safer gun and people will not get killed.
    People make mistakes.

    Accepting that some designs are more dangerious when a failure occurs is not a bad thing.
     

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    Not just operator error failure in the 510 center pin of the atty can cause the problem.
    More like having a gun with no safety on it.

    Pretty much that, if done right it's perfectly safe, if done wrong, it may work but one little thing can like a hair trigger on that gun would make it extremely unsafe....
     

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    Not just operator error failure in the 510 center pin of the atty can cause the problem.
    More like having a gun with no safety on it.

    Who mounted this atty with the bad pin design?

    Who was holding the gun? The 60 yearold loaded revolver hanging from my bedpost, or my holster, has not shot me in the 30 years it has hung there. It has no safety and a lightened trigger pull. The 105 yearold loaded Winchester on my wall, hasn't shot anybody either. There has always been an Operator envolved in every case of a gun firing that I know of.
     
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    Pretty much that, if done right it's perfectly safe, if done wrong, it may work but one little thing can like a hair trigger on that gun would make it extremely unsafe....
    Yep and there is NO reason to use a hybrid top cap design tube mod, there are plenty of good safer design tube mods out there.
    Yep they may be less than 3/8 of an inch shorter but...
    The mods with the sliding top center pin are high performance mods and much safer.
     

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    Who mounted this atty with the bad pin design?

    Who was holding the gun? The 60 yearold loaded revolver hanging from my bedpost, or my holster, has not shot me in the 30 years it has hung there. It has no safety and a lightened trigger pull. The 105 yearold loaded Winchester on my wall, hasn't shot anybody either. There has always been an Operator envolved in every case of a gun firing that I know of.
    Just to let you know. I refuse to be diverted to gun regulation rhetoric.
     
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