Could It Happen on May 21st 2011?

[chimney55]

LOL........I don't follow them closely at all. In fact, I haven't even watched the videos, just breezed through the first page of the website very quickly. But I see nothing wrong with examining the beliefs of others, some are true, some are false, but you won't even know the true ones unless you check it out.

I don't remember anything about Oct. 19th and Armageddon..........but we really are living in the last days and this could come at any day, and we should always be prepared for it at anytime.

I understand your excitement about end-times. I'm excited as well about the times in which we are living. But how is it furthering our work here in this time, if we post information by false teachers? I'd personally rather verify a source before sending someone running off after a false teacher or prophet. (And anyone who claims to know a date of the rapture, the beginning of the tribulation, or the second coming is a false teacher/prophet. Dates for these events are not given in scripture no matter how a person twists it around.)

 

[LisaLisa]

I understand your excitement about end-times. I'm excited as well about the times in which we are living. But how is it furthering our work here in this time, if we post information by false teachers? I'd personally rather verify a source before sending someone running off after a false teacher or prophet. (And anyone who claims to know a date of the rapture, the beginning of the tribulation, or the second coming is a false teacher/prophet. Dates for these events are not given in scripture no matter how a person twists it around.)

I post things that are interesting to me. That is not exactly "sending someone running off after a false teacher or prophet".

Nobody is twisting anyone's arm and forcing them to read anything here. And I don't think it's exactly fair to call brothers and sisters that we don't even know false teachers or false prophets. That's a pretty serious accusation to make about somebody without proof. I don't do that, I"m not God and I'm not the judge of other people's hearts and minds.

 

[Jason_in_nc]

We finished up the livingroom the other day, now I just have the kitchen, 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms and the diningroom to go and then I"m finished! UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This house was a foreclosure and they completely demolished it, holes in all of the walls.......I mean like 250 holes. Not kidding. The spackeling and sanding has been a huge job just getting them ready to paint!

WOW!

My in-laws owned a house one time. The renters contract ended and they didn't want to renew. No biggie.

For some reason, when my inlaws went to clean up and get ready for new renters, they found the old renters, for no apparent reason, decided to dump their trash all over the house, or maybe they just lived that way all along. Either way, the in-laws sold the house as they decided that being a land-lord was not worth it.

 

[Jason_in_nc]

I don't think it's exactly fair to call brothers and sisters that we don't even know false teachers or false prophets. That's a pretty serious accusation to make about somebody without proof. I don't do that, I"m not God and I'm not the judge of other people's hearts and minds.

If someone is claiming they KNOW the day of Christ's return, then we know, AUTOMATICALLY, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUIRED, that they are in fact a false teacher. Again, scripture is very clear.

That's not saying they are evil, or intentionally trying to mislead others. Only that we know that their end-times teaching is clearly false, therefore I question their discernment as any sort of a spiritual leader.

 

[chimney55]

I post things that are interesting to me. That is not exactly "sending someone running off after a false teacher or prophet".

Nobody is twisting anyone's arm and forcing them to read anything here. And I don't think it's exactly fair to call brothers and sisters that we don't even know false teachers or false prophets. That's a pretty serious accusation to make about somebody without proof. I don't do that, I"m not God and I'm not the judge of other people's hearts and minds.

I'm sorry that you're offended, LisaLisa. (((hugs))) That was not my intention! I'm not God either and would not judge a person's salvation based on false beliefs or prophecies that they've made. BUT, I don't understand why someone would recommend/endorse/suggest going to a site or a person without verifying first if they ARE false. It has nothing to do with the salvation of the person making the false claims or the person doing the recommendation. As for the people being brothers or sisters in Christ, they are only brothers and sisters in Christ if they are actually in Christ (and I can't judge that myself). But we were told to watch for false prophets that would lead people astray in the last days. I understand that you would be interested in these different sites and seeing what other people believe. I guess the difference between us is that I would not post something on a Christian forum unless I knew that it was truth first. I've done that on other forums in the past. And as soon as I've seen where they lead away from the truth, I've either apologized or deleted the post.

Satan did not start tempting Eve with a bald faced lie. He just got her to doubt the word of God and it was downhill from there. I know that you're not forcing anyone to go off to false sites, but anyone reading/posting here can see that you're a leader. That can go a long way to persuading someone to look more into what you're posting.

Again, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you.

 

[LisaLisa]

I'm sorry that you're offended, LisaLisa. (((hugs))) That was not my intention! I'm not God either and would not judge a person's salvation based on false beliefs or prophecies that they've made. BUT, I don't understand why someone would recommend/endorse/suggest going to a site or a person without verifying first if they ARE false. It has nothing to do with the salvation of the person making the false claims or the person doing the recommendation. As for the people being brothers or sisters in Christ, they are only brothers and sisters in Christ if they are actually in Christ (and I can't judge that myself). But we were told to watch for false prophets that would lead people astray in the last days. I understand that you would be interested in these different sites and seeing what other people believe. I guess the difference between us is that I would not post something on a Christian forum unless I knew that it was truth first. I've done that on other forums in the past. And as soon as I've seen where they lead away from the truth, I've either apologized or deleted the post.

Satan did not start tempting Eve with a bald faced lie. He just got her to doubt the word of God and it was downhill from there. I know that you're not forcing anyone to go off to false sites, but anyone reading/posting here can see that you're a leader. That can go a long way to persuading someone to look more into what you're posting.

Again, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you.

Apology not necessary, but appreciated I wouldn't call myself a leader, just another poster that happens to have the delete button......but not a leader....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess we are just different in that aspect. I investigate everything, and I mean everything. I want to know what others are thinking and talking about, and after reading, studying, and digesting it, I draw my own conclusions about it. I'm not afraid to look at everything and sort it all out, like I"ve done all my life. That's what brought me to Jesus, my investigative nature.

I'm also not a really standard traditional fundamentalist christian. I"m not quick to judge others or dismiss things that I don't know anything about without really looking into it first. I like to think that I"m open minded to look at other things, and the truth always prevails in the end anyway.

So, we are just different, not right or wrong, just different in some aspects. I still love you tho

 

[blondeambition3]

There are many People who (rightly or wrongly so) feel they have been appointed or called of God to be like 'Watchmen on the Walls' in these last days;

Isaiah 62:6 - I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
&
Isaiah 21:6 - For thus hath the LORD said unto me, Go, set a watchman, let him declare what he seeth.

last but not least;

Ezekiel 33:6 - But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Ezekiel 33:7 - So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

I mean, the Bible even speaks of 'scoffers' in these last days. so while I agree No Man knows the EXACT hour of His coming, I'm hesitant to say 'all' are false Prophets or a waste of time.. I mean Noah was a Prophet that forewarned of coming destruction and only eight followed Him into deliverance from God's judgment.. Christ admonishes us to 'know' and 'discern' the signs of the 'times' when His return draws near.. He tells us when we see these things begin to happen to 'lift up our heads because our redemption draweth nigh" (Luke 21:28)... and He wants us to share this with others so they too can know Him and be ready.

If Scripture teaches us anything about God (Especially the OT) it teaches us that our God is a God of 'seed time' and 'Harvest'.. I see 'seed time' ending soon, (tho' I'll continue to sow faithfully until that day, however I 'feel' in my Spirit that the great Harvest is coming soon). Sooner than many or most think even. This is 'my' burden perhaps, if God burdens as some say He does not.. I beg to differ. The Holy Spirit grieves and moans within me many times... I don't question I just receive.

The scripture below even gives me the 'hope' that we're to 'look' for these such things.. such as the 'times' of His appearing;

1Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. - 2 Peter 3:14

I see 'date setters' as just that, date setters. Many have sincere hearts & motives. Many people I'm aware are sincerely 'wrong' but God sees our Hearts...

I'm not offended, but I do 'watch' for His coming, and many times I read these sites because if they are in fact of the Devil I want to 'know' how he's operating also so that I can warn people of his wiles also...
Christ didn't suffer Demons well either, He cast them out at every opportunity.

As much as I'd like to be able to.. I'm not 'qualified' to judge the hearts or motives of the People behind many of these Sites, and I believe 'one' of them eventually is going to be right.. just as Noah was right ... that's 'why' I post them.. so we can discuss them as the Bible instructs... There is Wisdom in the multitude of counsel.

He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.- Daniel 12:9

and;

In that day the deaf will hear the words of the [previous shut up & sealed] scroll, and out of gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see. - Isaiah 29:18

 

[LisaLisa]

There are many People who (rightly or wrongly so) feel they have been appointed or called of God to be like 'Watchmen on the Walls' in these last days;

Isaiah 62:6 - I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
&
Isaiah 21:6 - For thus hath the LORD said unto me, Go, set a watchman, let him declare what he seeth.

last but not least;

Ezekiel 33:6 - But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Ezekiel 33:7 - So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

I mean, the Bible even speaks of 'scoffers' in these last days. so while I agree No Man knows the EXACT hour of His coming, I'm hesitant to say 'all' are false Prophets or a waste of time.. I mean Noah was a Prophet that forewarned of coming destruction and only eight followed Him into deliverance from God's judgment.. Christ admonishes us to 'know' and 'discern' the signs of the 'times' when His return draws near.. He tells us when we see these things begin to happen to 'lift up our heads because our redemption draweth nigh" (Luke 21:28)... and He wants us to share this with others so they too can know Him and be ready.

If Scripture teaches us anything about God (Especially the OT) it teaches us that our God is a God of 'seed time' and 'Harvest'.. I see 'seed time' ending soon, (tho' I'll continue to sow faithfully until that day, however I 'feel' in my Spirit that the great Harvest is coming soon). Sooner than many or most think even. This is 'my' burden perhaps, if God burdens as some say He does not.. I beg to differ. The Holy Spirit grieves and moans within me many times... I don't question I just receive.

The scripture below even gives me the 'hope' that we're to 'look' for these such things.. such as the 'times' of His appearing;

1Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. - 2 Peter 3:14

I see 'date setters' as just that, date setters. Many have sincere hearts & motives. Many people I'm aware are sincerely 'wrong' but God sees our Hearts...

I'm not offended, but I do 'watch' for His coming, and many times I read these sites because if they are in fact of the Devil I want to 'know' how he's operating also so that I can warn people of his wiles also...
Christ didn't suffer Demons well either, He cast them out at every opportunity.

As much as I'd like to be able to.. I'm not 'qualified' to judge the hearts or motives of the People behind many of these Sites, and I believe 'one' of them eventually is going to be right.. just as Noah was right ... that's 'why' I post them.. so we can discuss them as the Bible instructs... There is Wisdom in the multitude of counsel.

He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.- Daniel 12:9

and;

In that day the deaf will hear the words of the [previous shut up & sealed] scroll, and out of gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see. - Isaiah 29:18

That was so awesome that I don't even know what to say.

 

[blondeambition3]

There are many People who (rightly or wrongly so) feel they have been appointed or called of God to be like 'Watchmen on the Walls' in these last days;

Isaiah 62:6 - I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
&
Isaiah 21:6 - For thus hath the LORD said unto me, Go, set a watchman, let him declare what he seeth.

last but not least;

Ezekiel 33:6 - But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Ezekiel 33:7 - So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

I mean, the Bible even speaks of 'scoffers' in these last days. so while I agree No Man knows the EXACT hour of His coming, I'm hesitant to say 'all' are false Prophets or a waste of time.. I mean Noah was a Prophet that forewarned of coming destruction and only eight followed Him into deliverance from God's judgment.. Christ admonishes us to 'know' and 'discern' the signs of the 'times' when His return draws near.. He tells us when we see these things begin to happen to 'lift up our heads because our redemption draweth nigh" (Luke 21:28)... and He wants us to share this with others so they too can know Him and be ready.

If Scripture teaches us anything about God (Especially the OT) it teaches us that our God is a God of 'seed time' and 'Harvest'.. I see 'seed time' ending soon, (tho' I'll continue to sow faithfully until that day, however I 'feel' in my Spirit that the great Harvest is coming soon). Sooner than many or most think even. This is 'my' burden perhaps, if God burdens as some say He does not.. I beg to differ. The Holy Spirit grieves and moans within me many times... I don't question I just receive.

The scripture below even gives me the 'hope' that we're to 'look' for these such things.. such as the 'times' of His appearing;

1Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. - 2 Peter 3:14

I see 'date setters' as just that, date setters. Many have sincere hearts & motives. Many people I'm aware are sincerely 'wrong' but God sees our Hearts...

I'm not offended, but I do 'watch' for His coming, and many times I read these sites because if they are in fact of the Devil I want to 'know' how he's operating also so that I can warn people of his wiles also...
Christ didn't suffer Demons well either, He cast them out at every opportunity.

As much as I'd like to be able to.. I'm not 'qualified' to judge the hearts or motives of the People behind many of these Sites, and I believe 'one' of them eventually is going to be right.. just as Noah was right ... that's 'why' I post them.. so we can discuss them as the Bible instructs... There is Wisdom in the multitude of counsel.

He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.- Daniel 12:9

and;

In that day the deaf will hear the words of the [previous shut up & sealed] scroll, and out of gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see. - Isaiah 29:18

Scripture gives 'me' ample evidence that there is indeed 'information' He himself shut up in a Scroll that will be revealed to 'only the Elect' who are open to hear it and receive it. I want to be 'one' of those 'elect' Brethren.

 

[blondeambition3]

That was so awesome that I don't even know what to say.

We serve an awesome God don't we LisaLisa?

 

[LisaLisa]

Well intended people incorrectly say that talking about the End Times confuses believers, so we shouldn’t do it. What if we get them all excited and then it doesn’t happen? they ask. It’s no secret that the church is populated by a lot of folks who have zeal without knowledge and are easily taken in by anything that promises to either make their life easier (prosperity gospel) or help them escape it altogether (rapture mania). When I came to the Lord in the mid 1980’s a book titled 88 Reasons Why The Rapture will take place in 1988 triggered some rapture mania. A year ago the so called “Blood Moon Scenario” had folks looking for the rapture during the fall feasts. And there have been several others in between. In every case a couple of hours of study proved the theories false.

Paul called the Bereans noble because they searched the Scriptures daily to verify what he taught them (Acts 17:11) And that’s the Biblically correct response to these claims. It’s not to take other verses out of context in an effort to silence them. That only introduces another false teaching. And worse, it encourages the Church to go back to sleep.

When we hear someone suggest or even insist on this time or that one, our response should not be to automatically condemn the person for “date-setting”. It should be to “search the Scriptures daily to see if those things be true” before making a decision about it.

Personally I would much rather see the Church engaged in a lively discussion about the nearness of end times events than to see us trot out the old “No one knows the day or hour” line while sticking our heads back in the sand. What subject is a more important topic for discussion today? And think of all the extra crowns the Lord would have to order. Besides, people don’t fall away when dates come and go because if they’re saved they can’t fall away. If they fall away they weren’t saved to begin with. The Lord doesn’t miss opportunities to save people because of mistakes men make. He knew those who are His before He laid the Earth’s foundations, and promised not to lose even one of us.

This is a must read article for every christian. No One Knows The Day Or The Hour | GraceThruFaith

 

[LisaLisa]

we serve an awesome god don't we lisalisa?

WE SURE DO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[blondeambition3]

Satan did not start tempting Eve with a bald faced lie.

Let me make this clear.. NOT the same Eve! (tho' I may be as DUH as she was from time to time!)

 

[blondeambition3]

Well intended people incorrectly say that talking about the End Times confuses believers, so we shouldn’t do it. What if we get them all excited and then it doesn’t happen? they ask. It’s no secret that the church is populated by a lot of folks who have zeal without knowledge and are easily taken in by anything that promises to either make their life easier (prosperity gospel) or help them escape it altogether (rapture mania). When I came to the Lord in the mid 1980’s a book titled 88 Reasons Why The Rapture will take place in 1988 triggered some rapture mania. A year ago the so called “Blood Moon Scenario” had folks looking for the rapture during the fall feasts. And there have been several others in between. In every case a couple of hours of study proved the theories false.

Paul called the Bereans noble because they searched the Scriptures daily to verify what he taught them (Acts 17:11) And that’s the Biblically correct response to these claims. It’s not to take other verses out of context in an effort to silence them. That only introduces another false teaching. And worse, it encourages the Church to go back to sleep.

When we hear someone suggest or even insist on this time or that one, our response should not be to automatically condemn the person for “date-setting”. It should be to “search the Scriptures daily to see if those things be true” before making a decision about it.

Personally I would much rather see the Church engaged in a lively discussion about the nearness of end times events than to see us trot out the old “No one knows the day or hour” line while sticking our heads back in the sand. What subject is a more important topic for discussion today? And think of all the extra crowns the Lord would have to order. Besides, people don’t fall away when dates come and go because if they’re saved they can’t fall away. If they fall away they weren’t saved to begin with. The Lord doesn’t miss opportunities to save people because of mistakes men make. He knew those who are His before He laid the Earth’s foundations, and promised not to lose even one of us.

This is a must read article for every christian. No One Knows The Day Or The Hour | GraceThruFaith

Wow! Amen & Amen!

 

[blondeambition3]

I investigate everything, and I mean everything. I want to know what others are thinking and talking about, and after reading, studying, and digesting it, I draw my own conclusions about it. I'm not afraid to look at everything and sort it all out, like I"ve done all my life. That's what brought me to Jesus, my investigative nature.

I'm also not a really standard traditional fundamentalist christian. I"m not quick to judge others or dismiss things that I don't know anything about without really looking into it first. I like to think that I"m open minded to look at other things, and the truth always prevails in the end anyway.

Oh Lisa! YOU are so like ME however!!!!

 

[LisaLisa]

Oh Lisa! YOU are so like ME however!!!!

LOL! 2 pees in a pod! But, you know what? I bet when the 2 witnesses do come, probably many christians will call them false prophets. Really, I'd be willing to bet on it.

People today are so afraid to look at things, but there is really nothing to be afraid of. If it's true, God will reveal it, and vice versa. None of this is non-scriptural at all, in fact, it is scriptural! We are supposed to be looking, eagerly waiting, anticipating, and watching for Him to come back. Nothing wrong with that at all.

When I think of false prophet, I think of a teacher that leads people away from Jesus. That's a false prophet, not a brother or sister that is so excited to see Jesus come that they are looking for the signs so that they can be ready and tell others to get ready too. Nothing false about that at all.

 

[suddenly]

No, I didn't. I avoid date setting websites. They are usually full of hooey. Then I saw someone mention "latter rain". "The Latter Rain Movement is anti-dispensational and amillennial, and many leaders of the movement embrace aberrant teachings."

I have researched "The Latter Rain Movement" You differently want to stay away from them. Chimney is 100% correct.

Also beware of "International House of Prayer" and anyone associated with them. They are also from the Latter Rain movement.
They brain wash teens by having them pray to rock music 24/7. 7 days a week, plus food deprivation. You would never know this from their site, but when I did the research I traced them back to the "latter rain movement"

 

[LisaLisa]

I have researched "The Latter Rain Movement" You differently want to stay away from them. Chimney is 100% correct.

I've never heard of that group before, but here is some info. Basically sounds like just another pentecostal group to me. But, every denomination claims to have the truth, so what's the difference. That's why I don't belong to any of them.

What is the Latter Rain Movement?

 

[suddenly]

I've never heard of that group before, but here is some info. Basically sounds like just another pentecostal group to me. But, every denomination claims to have the truth, so what's the difference. That's why I don't belong to any of them.

What is the Latter Rain Movement?

This is just a very watered down version of what they stand for. They do not reveal the truth of their true beliefs.

Lisa I do understand your researching and sharing. I am a research freak myself. If I wasn't I wouldn't know about this organization. I was looking at the House of Pancakes, of all things, which led me to the latter rain movement. lol I will leave you alone now. It just scared me when I saw Latter Rain Movement" Sorry for intruding.
Nancy

 

[LisaLisa]

This is just a very watered down version of what they stand for. They do not reveal the truth of their true beliefs.

Lisa I do understand your researching and sharing. I am a research freak myself. If I wasn't I wouldn't know about this organization. I was looking at the House of Pancakes, of all things, which led me to the latter rain movement. lol I will leave you alone now. It just scared me when I saw Latter Rain Movement" Sorry for intruding.
Nancy

Nancy, you're always welcome here. I"m actually thrilled to see you, I think you know that. But, just in case you don't know, you're always welcome, loved and wanted.

How is your spiritual search going? I thought about PM'ing you a few times, but I don't want to intrude, or make you feel uncomfortable, but I have been thinking about you.