I have to bring this up again as I really don't want it to lose momentum. I see all these polls going on...nickel-plated or brass, 901 or 510. Obviously, people want different things and there is only one way to please everyone...let each person decide on what they want and build it. Imeo, PLEASE consider moving your GG product line to full customization. I would really love to be able to pick out my metals, buttons, add-ons, etc. with 1 purchase. I can guarantee that you will have fully satisfied customers and a lot more money in your pocket! It's a win-win for everyone here and I hope this thread will bring out people who are interested. Please reply "yes" and any additional ideas on how this could be improved upon from the suppliers down to the different customized options so we can use it as a guideline for implementing this idea quickly.
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This would be optimal but very expensive to do making 4-5 of everything and then having all the suppliers having to stock all of it and pay 5 times what they do now, don't get me wrong but it would be asking the suppliers to place say a 60-80k order instead of say 15k-20k order. I thought of this too but will the suppliers make this kind of an investment when this market changes so fast and something new comes out every week, I see this as the problem with this optimum GG purchasing way to build your own unit
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I agree whole-heartedly, the economic model of the vaping community at this time precludes an enormous investment that the vendors would have to make. Imeo is responding to the marketplace now with the affordable mod the GGTB (awesome by the way!
) and understandably wants to keep control of his product line. Nobody told Picasso how to paint!!!!
Frakkin blurry Picasso still vexing me!!!
What about if the Suppliers would take and collect the money for the custom orders first, and then send them in on a regularly scheduled basis to Imeo? Then he only makes exactly what, in the exact amount ordered, and already pre-paid for from his various suppliers! Of course, with the understanding on the parts of the buyers that they will have to wait longer to receive their custom parts, while still continuing the way Imeo does now with his pre-made, shipped items to his suppliers? 
What about if the Suppliers would take and collect the money for the custom orders first, and then send them in on a regularly scheduled basis to Imeo? Then he only makes exactly what, in the exact amount ordered, and already pre-paid for from his various suppliers! Of course, with the understanding on the parts of the buyers that they will have to wait longer to receive their custom parts, while still continuing the way Imeo does now with his pre-made, shipped items to his suppliers?
If Imeo was like orange county chopper and had 25 employees, yes this would work but where talking about one man here, and when would he have time to keep making progress on new units and technology and every thing else if he had to start worrying about keeping up with pre orders and building to the customers specs instead of his own specs. I just don't see it happening unless someone backed him with a huge funding, which I suggested a long time ago too, its just not as easy for one man to run a business as say 25 Viktro, you have a good idea, but business wise there are many of things that would have to happen for this to happen, I wanted to help and Brand all GG and help him do a bunch of things but but but and more buts, one man business in Greece is not an easy situation to make a world wide business thing with one man running the entire show his way. especially when he would have to give and trust others with the rope and let them run with it, it takes lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to grow to this kind of production line, I'm not saying it cant be done, it could, but there would have to be a lot of money in the checkbook and some very good business minded employees in place to make the show run like your asking, this is just my opinion, I'm sure others will have there reasons why I'm wrong, but I have ran my own business for 25yrs and growing takes time, money, people, luck, and a TEAM a real good TEAM too. again just my thoughts.
While I love the idea, I also don't know if it's feasible.
As I understand it, this is Imeo's hobby, which would supposedly mean it's not his main profession (I could be mistaken, but that's how it comes across to me). No more of that if he goes all-custom.
Also, consider the cost for getting multiples of everything in different materials, needing different machines to work them, etc etc etc.
Consider the wait time. No mod, even "built-to-order" mods, have that degree of customization, and still, people wait a couple months for their Chucks and SuperT's, which are not highly customizable (the picture finished on the Chucks probably isn't any more difficult than a regular finish, which is why it doesn't cost more). With that much customization, and the demand, you could be waiting 6 months for your GG.
If the vendors were putting the pieces together, consider the time delay in shipping when they have to choose from possibly hundreds of custom parts to get your order right, and they have hundreds of other, non-GG items to deal with as well.
And finally, consider the reason that I landed on the GG. The price. Yes, the price. The GGTB is $75 with a telescopic battery feature, and it's built to last. Other mechanical mods with no extra features, and even missing some basic safety features, cost more, even twice as much. Even the GGTS is priced well. It's $150, but consider everything it does. He would have to at least double the price of everything - and probably triple it - if it was fully customizable.
I love the idea. I just don't know that it would work.
Although, if he can handle the extra work load, maybe he could have the option of a custom GG, for people who are willing to pay a lot more, and wait a lot longer, to get it.
But to move the entire GG line to full customization would make them totally inaccessible to anyone who isn't basically rich. Not only that, but you'd probably forget you ordered it and have gray hair by the time you finally got it.
As I understand it, this is Imeo's hobby, which would supposedly mean it's not his main profession (I could be mistaken, but that's how it comes across to me). No more of that if he goes all-custom.
Also, consider the cost for getting multiples of everything in different materials, needing different machines to work them, etc etc etc.
Consider the wait time. No mod, even "built-to-order" mods, have that degree of customization, and still, people wait a couple months for their Chucks and SuperT's, which are not highly customizable (the picture finished on the Chucks probably isn't any more difficult than a regular finish, which is why it doesn't cost more). With that much customization, and the demand, you could be waiting 6 months for your GG.
If the vendors were putting the pieces together, consider the time delay in shipping when they have to choose from possibly hundreds of custom parts to get your order right, and they have hundreds of other, non-GG items to deal with as well.
And finally, consider the reason that I landed on the GG. The price. Yes, the price. The GGTB is $75 with a telescopic battery feature, and it's built to last. Other mechanical mods with no extra features, and even missing some basic safety features, cost more, even twice as much. Even the GGTS is priced well. It's $150, but consider everything it does. He would have to at least double the price of everything - and probably triple it - if it was fully customizable.
I love the idea. I just don't know that it would work.
Although, if he can handle the extra work load, maybe he could have the option of a custom GG, for people who are willing to pay a lot more, and wait a lot longer, to get it.
But to move the entire GG line to full customization would make them totally inaccessible to anyone who isn't basically rich. Not only that, but you'd probably forget you ordered it and have gray hair by the time you finally got it.
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Well guys, the answer is easy. If you're ready to pay a hundred Euros for the smallest screw or pin, I'm sure that Imeo would oblige. And of course, you will get to have bulk prices for MOQ of 200 parts and more.
Um, is there any reason to yell?
I said I could be mistaken. I recall him describing it as a hobby himself. Whether he chose the right word, I don't know. I dually noted I could be.
The entire reason he made the GGTB to was to make a quality mod that was within the reach of someone who doesn't have a couple hundred bucks to spend on a GGTS. I happen to be someone like that. And if he is happy to do that, how is it "offensive" for me to like it? How is that discounting anything? If you have more to spend, go right ahead. No one's trying to stop you.
It sounds to me like you have a problem with world class mods being accessible to people who don't have a ton of money. Like it should be "elite."
I even noted at the end that if it was feasible for him, offering custom GG's might be a good thing. Just not to turn his whole line custom. For reasons that have to do with both Imeo's stress level and finances, and the end user's ability to purchase it and get it in a timely manner.
I never insulting anything. I was looking for good value, but I was also obviously look for quality. Finding both in the same place is great. I never said it was anything less. I specifically noted that my research pointed me towards the GGTB as being as high-quality as the other highly expensive mechanical mods. The price was a major factor in what swung me, for that reason. Why is that bad to say?
Again, why are you yelling at me?
You are perfectly welcome to have a problem with my "public personality." I'm no stranger to that game. But going off on me over your feelings on my content when I've said nothing wrong is not very civil, and doesn't make you look very reasonable.
I said I could be mistaken. I recall him describing it as a hobby himself. Whether he chose the right word, I don't know. I dually noted I could be.
The entire reason he made the GGTB to was to make a quality mod that was within the reach of someone who doesn't have a couple hundred bucks to spend on a GGTS. I happen to be someone like that. And if he is happy to do that, how is it "offensive" for me to like it? How is that discounting anything? If you have more to spend, go right ahead. No one's trying to stop you.
It sounds to me like you have a problem with world class mods being accessible to people who don't have a ton of money. Like it should be "elite."
I even noted at the end that if it was feasible for him, offering custom GG's might be a good thing. Just not to turn his whole line custom. For reasons that have to do with both Imeo's stress level and finances, and the end user's ability to purchase it and get it in a timely manner.
I never insulting anything. I was looking for good value, but I was also obviously look for quality. Finding both in the same place is great. I never said it was anything less. I specifically noted that my research pointed me towards the GGTB as being as high-quality as the other highly expensive mechanical mods. The price was a major factor in what swung me, for that reason. Why is that bad to say?
Again, why are you yelling at me?
You are perfectly welcome to have a problem with my "public personality." I'm no stranger to that game. But going off on me over your feelings on my content when I've said nothing wrong is not very civil, and doesn't make you look very reasonable.
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You said it yourself, in your own words. Given that you don't know me, and yet think you do, I can surmise no other possibility.
Ok. Go right ahead.
I do note, however, that at no point have you countered any of the points I actually made.
Offer me another possibility.
You can be unpleasant all you like.
Ok. Go right ahead.
I do note, however, that at no point have you countered any of the points I actually made.
Offer me another possibility.
You can be unpleasant all you like.
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Just because this is a vendor's forum, doesn't make it exempt from ECF forum rules. Either be nice (or at least civil) or do not post. If I have to come back in here again, it won't be enjoyable.
Capisce?
Capisce?
Sorry to bump in but I think this is getting out of hand. Everyone here is entitled to his own opinion whether right or wrong. All of us are just giving suggestions to Imeo on how to improve the product but it shouldn't end up attacking ones personality for that. The bottom line is what ever we say or like, it is still Imeo to decide. Period.
Ladies, ladies!!! If you're going to fight at least let me watch!!!!
See, you woke The Man up and he's not happy!
See, you woke The Man up and he's not happy!
I like the idea of customization, but understand the realities and limitations of production. A possible alternative might be to expand the selection of "tuner parts" for the units. Keep the mass production going to maintain volumes and pricing, but sell alternative versions for those who want to add a personal touch.
I would also point out that that is exactly what is going on already... Magnetic button, button style choice, replacement 4 way top, different metal top cap, silver center tube, ... I would guess if there was a specific part you wanted, and were willing to wait for the next production run, you could pay imeo directly for an alternative material. When the die is set in the machine, you can throw in a rod of a different stock fairly easily, so the upcharge would be lower than a hand crafted part, but there would, and should be an upcharge.
If you are willing to pay the extra cost for a custom mod, you shouldn't have any problem paying full price for the base unit and a reduced price for customized accessories.
If there is enough demand for a specific customization, Imeo may add it to the product line (aluminum extension tube)... Of course, then it isn't a unique customization, so...
I would also point out that that is exactly what is going on already... Magnetic button, button style choice, replacement 4 way top, different metal top cap, silver center tube, ... I would guess if there was a specific part you wanted, and were willing to wait for the next production run, you could pay imeo directly for an alternative material. When the die is set in the machine, you can throw in a rod of a different stock fairly easily, so the upcharge would be lower than a hand crafted part, but there would, and should be an upcharge.
If you are willing to pay the extra cost for a custom mod, you shouldn't have any problem paying full price for the base unit and a reduced price for customized accessories.
If there is enough demand for a specific customization, Imeo may add it to the product line (aluminum extension tube)... Of course, then it isn't a unique customization, so...
See, you woke The Man up and he's not happy!
Yes, I do tend to get a tad cranky when I have to take time away from helping members who really need it to come into threads like this and try and make people play nice.
Not fighting. Just wondering what on earth I could have said to illicit a response like that. Nor trying to push my opinion, mind you - just stating it. I thought that was ok to do... Other people seem to be doing it. And the Angus fury hasn't descended upon them, nor me.
Every now and then, sometimes totally random and unrelated, either kind of hateful, comments seem to just pop up out of nowhere. I don't get it. What did I say? Sometimes I haven't even said anything. I'm just vaping, man.
Every now and then, sometimes totally random and unrelated, either kind of hateful, comments seem to just pop up out of nowhere. I don't get it. What did I say? Sometimes I haven't even said anything. I'm just vaping, man.
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I read and reread the posts and can't see a reason for the attack. Sad! Sorry, mistressnomad, there are just some people that feel the need to behave that way.
A little more 'fury' should have been handed down on that one! IMHO
A little more 'fury' should have been handed down on that one! IMHO
Ladies, ladies!!! If you're going to fight at least let me watch!!!!
See, you woke The Man up and he's not happy!
Thanks Ripple, I can always count on you for some comic relief!!!
Girls!!! lol
First of all this is a hobby for me but it is starting taking over my first job, that is insurances. I have less and less time for insurances and I never liked them in reality. But I love making GG, thats why I am still here trying every day to give you the best of me.
My dear Victro, to speak the truth I didnt saw anyhting bad from Mis. Maybe I missed something because of my english but I really didnt see anything. She looks a very kind and sweet girl just like you. I am wondering if you 2 girls had some differences in past?
In another matter I think scha had a point. I agree to all he said. I will try to do my best again.
ps...... Girls, I really love you even when you argue. But I love you more when you are not
First of all this is a hobby for me but it is starting taking over my first job, that is insurances. I have less and less time for insurances and I never liked them in reality. But I love making GG, thats why I am still here trying every day to give you the best of me.
My dear Victro, to speak the truth I didnt saw anyhting bad from Mis. Maybe I missed something because of my english but I really didnt see anything. She looks a very kind and sweet girl just like you. I am wondering if you 2 girls had some differences in past?
In another matter I think scha had a point. I agree to all he said. I will try to do my best again.
ps...... Girls, I really love you even when you argue. But I love you more when you are not
I think my suggestion has not been completely clear. I don't mean to remove any of the current GG line. Everything that is out should always be there...to keep things affordable. However, if I want say an aluminum telescoping tube...I can't have one unless I pay for the GGTS with brass and then throw that part away and buy an aluminum tube. That makes no sense and frustrates me as a buyer. I'm not saying unlimited customization...that would be crazy. I'm thinking my order would go something like this:
1) GGTS (all stainless steel including telescoping tube, brass center post, brass button switch, fuse add-on instead of basic cap in brass,magnets instead of spring.
2) AVS (all stainless steel including connectors)
The only thing this provides is a different metal construction and add-ons included instead of throwing away parts I don't want. If anything, this could possibly lower my price as I have to buy additional parts I already have and toss things I never wanted to buy to begin with. We could limit the metal choices to say 4. (aluminum, brass, stainless steel and for the rich...gold).
Any person doing a custom order would have to pay in advance and there would be a 30 day turn-around(guesstimate here for sake of discussion). All other GG's would still be around if people didn't care about customizing and wanted to keep things the way they were. Everyone wins and no one has to incur more costs.
1) GGTS (all stainless steel including telescoping tube, brass center post, brass button switch, fuse add-on instead of basic cap in brass,magnets instead of spring.
2) AVS (all stainless steel including connectors)
The only thing this provides is a different metal construction and add-ons included instead of throwing away parts I don't want. If anything, this could possibly lower my price as I have to buy additional parts I already have and toss things I never wanted to buy to begin with. We could limit the metal choices to say 4. (aluminum, brass, stainless steel and for the rich...gold).
Any person doing a custom order would have to pay in advance and there would be a 30 day turn-around(guesstimate here for sake of discussion). All other GG's would still be around if people didn't care about customizing and wanted to keep things the way they were. Everyone wins and no one has to incur more costs.
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