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Alright...then let's try to work this out. What 3 metal choices would be the best for GG? I think there could be one that does not factor cost...make it that truly "elite" metal, but let's try to pick out 2 other metals that would do a great job as a conductor as well as hold up well.

Would the AVS need to be a good conductor? I would think this could be Stainless Steel since it's basically a tank for liquid. The connector is the only thing that matters, right? Any experts please start throwing out some ideas.
 

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i get the whole conductivity of metals, their thickness, amperages available and required, voltages under load, length of circuit and resistance drops, etc. but the bottom line is that there are no noticeable differences between stainless steel and aluminum, in terms of voltage to the atty, with the mods we are using. the myth busters videos from another supplier on youtube demonstrate this well, and there are many of us, myself included, who also have other fully stainless steel mechanical devices that can attest to their comparable performance as well. the way i see it, make it an option...the first few will indeed pay more for it, but i suspect it will catch on in demand to merit the supply and lower costs for producing and stocking these units.
 

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Alright...then let's try to work this out. What 3 metal choices would be the best for GG? I think there could be one that does not factor cost...make it that truly "elite" metal, but let's try to pick out 2 other metals that would do a great job as a conductor as well as hold up well.

Would the AVS need to be a good conductor? I would think this could be Stainless Steel since it's basically a tank for liquid. The connector is the only thing that matters, right? Any experts please start throwing out some ideas.

The tank its self no but anything connected to the Atty yes , You will be asking for a transparent tank next LOL

Not too sure about no noticeable difference in metals and resistance as if you just remove the spring alone in a GGTS the Amps jump up by about 0.2 of an amp , as the spring is thin its a source of high resistance .

Is there any stainless steel e-cigs out there already ? If not why not ???
 

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I believe everything made by SuperT is stainless steel. Actually, I think there are way more stainless steel than aluminum mods out there.

Mostly, yes. Although you can get SuperT mods with brass accents as well.

As to other stainless steel mods, not sure. I was also under the impression most are aluminum?
 

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I believe everything made by SuperT is stainless steel. Actually, I think there are way more stainless steel than aluminum mods out there.

I thought most were Ally as Ally is almost or 2nd to copper for conductivity and in some cases better than copper.
I think the PRECIOUS new juice feed was going to be made from stainless steel but run into problems because it didnt work , so is now being made from Ally .

I'm Not saying I wouldnt want Stainless Steel I would love it but i would want to make sure it was as good , as i would want performance over the type of metal
A bit like a MARLBORO over SILK CUT !
 

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there are more aluminum mods than stainless, probably more plastic mods or other metal alloys than there are aluminum, but there are stainless steel mods operating in a similar vein that utilize the body in an electrical circuit as the GG does and show no noticeable difference whatsoever in voltage drop or the electrical conductivity necessary to complete the circuit and deliver the same current. reason being that the distance of the circuit overall is short, and would be with the GG as well if it were also made of stainless steel, and we're talking about stainless steel contacts all around, which isn't necessary, and probably even less likely to get the go ahead from imeo, but further drives the point home nonetheless. take this into account and then add the increased resistance and inhibited conductivity that arise from aluminum oxide or the pitting, rust, tarnish or oxidation of other metals and you can see some additional benefits of stainless steel. we use nickel and zinc, in the form of plating or by way of noalox for the express purposes of improving conductivity. both of these materials have lower conductivity than aluminum, but because both sacrifice ions to protect those of aluminum, they improve the ultimate conductivity of aluminum contacts, in the way that this and/or polishing contacts can improve the conductivity of brass contacts and other metals widely used in mods as well. cut it out, go stainless less maintenance...all we are saying is give steel a chance. :D
 
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silver, copper, gold, aluminum, nickel, brass,...steel, etc. all have pros and cons. while these are all listed in order of their conductivity, several other factors need to come into play if your decisions are based on maintaining the conductivity. again, the circuits are short, and the proof is there on stainless, but the other metals and their alloys need to be viewed in terms of how conductive their oxidation is and their practicality, more than price and availability, but actual utility in a given application. what is the alloy comprised of, and how does this alloy of silver or aluminum or brass break down in terms of its composition? what does this composite mean in terms of its ultimate hardness for use on threads and contact points, its ability to resist current inhibiting oxidation, rust, tarnish etc., and its ultimate impact on the overall conductivity of the metal and the circuit of the device it's being used for? is silver being mixed with aluminum, copper, etc.? is the reason we like brass so much because of the copper content, but do we know the percentage of copper content that improves the conductivity of brass, makes it a good choice for sanitary purposes, but still has the necessary content to make the alloy relatively hard for contacts and threading? same thing with stainless; what is the grade, what is the alloy comprised of, and what is the impact on the concerns that we have for this application? and most importantly, if all of these materials/alloys, etc. are exposed to the same conditions, where oxidation and other factors come into play, what ultimately comes of their conductivity then? i think some of us have found this out already.

make no mistake about it, i love the GG stuff, and gladly accept it as is, but if i could acquire a customized model it too would be all stainless, and a transparent avs tank of course! :D
 
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Problem is I doubt if it would be that AWSOME as Stainless Steel whilst it does conduct electricity its not very good at it .
Its considered as a poor conductor
But Silver is the best conductor But that will be a very expensive ecig ...

The best of all worlds is a all nickel plated GG. No maintenance, best contactivity. Nickel is on the top ten of best contuctors. I agree with arry
 

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Alright...then let's try to work this out. What 3 metal choices would be the best for GG? I think there could be one that does not factor cost...make it that truly "elite" metal, but let's try to pick out 2 other metals that would do a great job as a conductor as well as hold up well.

Would the AVS need to be a good conductor? I would think this could be Stainless Steel since it's basically a tank for liquid. The connector is the only thing that matters, right? Any experts please start throwing out some ideas.

AVS is part of the cirquit Zai
 

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i get the whole conductivity of metals, their thickness, amperages available and required, voltages under load, length of circuit and resistance drops, etc. but the bottom line is that there are no noticeable differences between stainless steel and aluminum, in terms of voltage to the atty, with the mods we are using. the myth busters videos from another supplier on youtube demonstrate this well, and there are many of us, myself included, who also have other fully stainless steel mechanical devices that can attest to their comparable performance as well. the way i see it, make it an option...the first few will indeed pay more for it, but i suspect it will catch on in demand to merit the supply and lower costs for producing and stocking these units.

A steel GG will not cost more than 10 euros BuGG.
 

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thank you, the circuit (chain) is as strong as its weakest link. and if one part of the circuit is made from lower conductive brass rather than aluminum, or if one part of the circuit is oxidized and results in increased resistance/ lower conductivity then it's like all of it is made from brass, not aluminum, or oxidized metal rather than fully conductive metals, right?
 

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The best of all worlds is a all nickel plated GG. No maintenance, best contactivity. Nickel is on the top ten of best contuctors. I agree with arry

Nickel Plated would be the best option for sure , the research into this has all ready been done for us on this .
If you take a look in most toys and all other items that take batterys you will see either springs or sprung metal tabs all of which are Nickel Plated and they have been doing it alot longer than us.

taken from Duracell
Determining Contact Fatigue
Plating for most battery connections are usually nickel to nickel. It is not advised to mate dissimilar platings due to galvanic corrosion. Since most alkaline batteries have nickel cans, nickel plating for the contacts would be preferable. Nickel, being harder than gold, will tend
to wipe and aid in breaking down the oxide that can form on the battery contact surfaces. It is preferable to put a dimple or similar detail that will produce a surface stress high enough to
aid in the wiping, but not high enough to scratch the nickel coating of the contacts or
batteries. Nickel connections usually require between 500 to 1000 grams of force to carry
the current required, however, most design conditions differ slightly. Testing should be conducted to determine the best design.

Duracell PROCELL: Design Tools: Battery Contact Guide
 

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most of the newer AW batts have stainless steel top and bottom plates, mainly to prevent indentation and damage to the circuitry from tail springs and nipple tops in stacked applications...but they work great too. hey i wonder if duracell, the copper top battery, ever really used a copper top?
sorry, :offtopic:

stainless GG only 10 more euros...count me in!
 
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