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Christina

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Great posts everyone! This has such great potential. I don't know if this show is shown outside of the US, but everyone here should know this show is HUGE! Getting attention on the Daily Show will reach a lot of people. I've got a close eye on it and will have your backs against those who can't seem to read more than one sentence before coming to conclusions. Ugh.
 

LaceyUnderall

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I just want to state for the record that I really do apologize everyone had to defend themselves as not being a supplier. I am pretty good at not hiding who I am or where I am from. I am a consumer too...

I am here because I believe in the community and I believe that we all have voices we should be using.

My apologies if this caused any discomfort to any of you...
 

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Well, Dixon, the mod stated that he'd try vaping... just hope he don't end up buying some crappy kit while in London.

He was driving me CRAZY! I hate mods who use their power to argue their position - threatening Bandit like that when the other guy was just as bad! I had to get out of there this morning. But now dixon said he'd try it?? We have to give him advice on what to buy, stat!!

Anyone post a link to the article? Maybe I need to get back over there and post....
 

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I just want to state for the record that I really do apologize everyone had to defend themselves as not being a supplier. I am pretty good at not hiding who I am or where I am from. I am a consumer too...

I am here because I believe in the community and I believe that we all have voices we should be using.

My apologies if this caused any discomfort to any of you...

Lacey, its not your fault. That guy assumed right from the get-go that we were just trying to sell something, i don't think it had anything to do with you.

I'm glad you're in the trenches with us :) thank you
 

mtndude

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He was driving me CRAZY! I hate mods who use their power to argue their position - threatening Bandit like that when the other guy was just as bad! I had to get out of there this morning. But now dixon said he'd try it?? We have to give him advice on what to buy, stat!!

Anyone post a link to the article? Maybe I need to get back over there and post....

well, someone shoud.... but if everyone runs over and starts giving advice on what to buy.... SHILLS! lol

maybe a PM??

oh.. definately post your article!!
 

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I just want to state for the record that I really do apologize everyone had to defend themselves as not being a supplier. I am pretty good at not hiding who I am or where I am from. I am a consumer too...

I am here because I believe in the community and I believe that we all have voices we should be using.

My apologies if this caused any discomfort to any of you...

Lacey, nothing at ALL to apologize for. This happens wherever we leave comments. It's a problem with bombardment ... unfortunately, without bombardment, we get buried.

Personally, I think we should *leave this alone* now. Anything further will just be annoying. It's already too much, but it's way at the top, so the best we can do now is cross our fingers, back off, and hope the posts are read.
 

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Dixon did PM me...

I can understand his concerns as we have had bombardment in our community... and frankly, he did note that their forum doesn't get much of the topics out onto the show, but he wouldn't stop our attempts... we just need to play by their rules. Understandable. We would expect that too. Edit: We also know each other's styles but they don't and while I didn't think Bandit's comments were harsh, it's because I know Bandit's writing style or online "voice".

However, that said, he did give me a bit of information that is interesting: Best bet to get on the show is to start a letter writing campaign to the show and not to the forum.

I am working on finding the best address for that. I have asked around and am waiting for responses.

I am all about flinging spaghetti! Something eventually is going to stick LOL

PS... thanks for the understanding... I appreciate it. :)
 
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mtndude

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Ok.. so I had some dinner and went back to read the thread again. It's beautiful, EVERYONE should be proud of themselves.

Anyone who watches the show knows that you have to be willing to be made fun of on both sides of an issue... just the nature of the bits. Not to poke fun at anyone or group, but something that strikes me as funny is the word Vaporer...
 

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Hi,

I'm brand new here, I've been reading the forum for about a week, and am still waiting on delivery of my first vaporizer, so please don't think I'm trying to make myself out to be an expert on vaporizers or the political climate. I'm basically just a guy who's really excited about the prospect of moving over to PVs and leaving cigarettes behind!

As someone who holds high hopes for this technology as a way to reduce my wheezing, coughing and general smoking related unhappiness, I do want to point out a couple things which popped into my mind while reading the thread over at The Daily Show (I found that thread through here, while I enjoy The Daily Show I had never been to that forum before, so please don't mistake me as being on their side).

Though I am not an expert (or even close to an expert) in PVs, PV politics or The Daily Show, I do have some knowledge about social pragmatic skills since it's part of my career and I'm doing post-grad work in Communication Sciences and Disorders with a special interest in executive functioning (essentially higher level planning and problem solving skills).

I think there may be some lessons people could learn from the thread at The Daily Show. While there were excellent points made and the sophistication of knowledge was generally very high, the information might have been more warmly received with a different presentation. Here are some ideas which may help future advocacy work end up with more people wanting to agree with a position.

1. If you're a member of an organisation disclose it immediately, especially if it's a formally incorporated organisation. Your organisation is something to be proud of! You do advocacy through it, provide education, establish industry standards and practices, and hopefully fund science. Your mindset should be that your opinion is valuable *because* of your affiliation, not *despite* it!

2. Tone your posts as a discussion instead of an argument. If someone says "the FDA found X chemical in e-cigs" then instead of replying "you're wrong because X chemical was in only one cart, do your research", you might try "hey thanks for pointing that out, I went to XYZ website and read their report and it looks like it was only in one cart, here's the links I used do you have any more information so we can keep getting to the bottom of this?". See how the first statement sets up the two people in opposition, whereas the second one sets them up as allies working together? It's much easier to convince an ally than an opponent.

3. If someone makes a valid point, don't try to explain it away. Rational people are willing to accept the world as imperfect. When people say "there aren't enough studies showing it's safe", instead of saying "it's gotta be safer than tobacco" try something like "you're right, and that's why we are gathering money to do more tests/have a letter writing campaign to the manufacturers asking them to do more testing". Treat this as an opportunity to find a place of agreement and assuage their concerns, from there you can work towards other places of agreement.

4. Avoid putting words into people's mouths and turning their narrow statement into a broad statement. If I said "It contains chemical X which is found in antifreeze." and the reply was "So you are for a total ban of all salami because it's in that too?" I would immediately be angry and defensive because that is not whatsoever what I said or meant. Know your goal. If you're doing advocacy that goal should be to win people's support, not to win arguments against them.

5. If one person has already responded to someone's points, don't jump on the bandwagon. No one likes being ganged up on and the probability of two people settling a disagreement is much higher than 1 person settling a disagreement with what they perceive as a mob of attackers. If you really feel you have a point then send it via PM to the person you think needs help in explaining their side. What's more important, that you get to say your piece or that the cause you're fighting for wins support?

6. If you cannot end with an agreement, at least end on a conciliatory note. Something like "it just doesn't look like we can see eye to eye on this right now, maybe if we both go and do more research we can find information which helps us agree" at least leaves things open, and even though the chances are that you'll never end up agreeing it looks a lot better to people reading the thread than "you're a ....., I'm done talking to you!". Having people think "wow, that guy is a jerk" doesn't motivate them to go learn more, and much of the time the people you impact are not the ones replying to the thread.

7. Don't insult, belittle, dismiss, condescend to, ridicule or otherwise mistreat people. Spend a minute in the other guy's shoes, how would you feel if someone said what you're about to say to them to you? Would you want to be called (or have it inferred that you are) ignorant, stupid, uneducated, valueless, childish, etc. Regardless of the fact that it is incredibly rude, it will definitely close people's minds and lose any chance that they will see your side of an issue.

8. Finally, remember that you're walking into someone else's house when you post in a forum. Be respectful of their rules and accept it if they say that something isn't welcome.

I hope what I've said here doesn't bother or offend anyone, please believe me when I say that I only posted this because I feel you are honest and honorable people fighting the good fight and valiantly trying to keep PVs legal and safe. I frankly wouldn't bother if I didn't respect you and your motives. I dearly hope that my experience with PVs is as good as the experiences I've read here and that I will end up smoke-free.

In Friendship,
Seth
 

mtndude

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skoster,

did all that just come off the top of your head? definitely deserves a sticky...

our little adventure in the daily show forum should be an example, it's just not a bad example. i feel that no one felt that they were representative of this forum, or any formal organization, but it sure does end up looking that way.

organization is something that needs to be addressed, for sure... especially when a simple notion can explode into giant cloud of vapor.

from one newb to another, welcome.:)

btw, we need you
 
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