DCT vs CEs

[edyle]

More and more bc clearos are resembling carto tanks in construction. The line between them is blurring. I wonder why that is? Perhapse, the carto tank wasn't broken to begin with?

While the nautilus tank looks like a good piece, and I came real close to buying one, I got to thinking - it's built to work just like a carto In a tank... What does it cost - roughly the same as a good carto tank... What do heads cost? More than cartos, currently...

Maybe when the price comes down, and when the heads come down to be equal to decent cartos - the I'll give one a shot.

Yes the BC clearos are resembling carto tanks in construction. The two are merging. The carto was never broken, the average person doesn't want to be stuck with buying cartridges all the time;

Right now its either you replace your clear atomizer head, or replace your cartridge.
But if you want the option to rebuild, you can rebuild your atomizer head but not your cartridge - unless its a Sophia type.

 

[Dzaw]

Yes the BC clearos are resembling carto tanks in construction. The two are merging. The carto was never broken, the average person doesn't want to be stuck with buying cartridges all the time;

Right now its either you replace your clear atomizer head, or replace your cartridge.
But if you want the option to rebuild, you can rebuild your atomizer head but not your cartridge - unless its a Sophia type.

I am under the impression that there are better options for people who want to rebuild. Genesis type, kayfun type, and taifun type all offer decent capacity, excellent performance, and more room for building. Carto tanks and clearos are squarely aimed at customers who prefer not to rebuild. While I am sure rebuilding clearo heads can both save money and improve performance, it is nonetheless a bit of a square peg for a round hole.

 

[edyle]

I am under the impression that there are better options for people who want to rebuild. Genesis type, kayfun type, and taifun type all offer decent capacity, excellent performance, and more roof for building. Carto tanks and clearos are squarely aimed at customers who prefer not to rebuild. While I am sure rebuilding clearo heads can both save money and improve performance, it is nonetheless a bit of a square peg for a round hole.

I don't rebuild my coils but I don't throw them away, because I have the OPTION TO REBUILD.
If I had a carto system, I would have to throw out the cartos; there's no way I could hope to rebuild them in the future.

I am sure there are many people out there who keep their atomizer heads JUST IN CASE they can rebuild them.

 

[Dzaw]

I don't rebuild my coils but I don't throw them away, because I have the OPTION TO REBUILD.
If I had a carto system, I would have to throw out the cartos; there's no way I could hope to rebuild them in the future.

I am sure there are many people out there who keep their atomizer heads JUST IN CASE they can rebuild them.

Actually, I am one of those people! While I sit here arguing the other side, I have 28 protank heads soaking in vodka. I still think that was incidental to why I bought them in the first place.

 

[Myrany]

A question for you carto - carto tank lovers...have you ever tried removing the polyfill and replacing it with properly torched, cleaned ecowool? I've always been one of the few that couldn't get past the taste of the polyfill, I've tried most every single / dual coil, standard vertical and bottom coil...etc, also usually managed to burn or flood it. Would a different filler work at all, even worth experimenting with? (and no, I wouldn't try "blue foam"...)

Just trying to think outside the box....(not really, don't think a box big enough has been designed for me...

I actually have a Diver on its way to me. This is basically a rebuildable replacement for a cartomizer.
V2 Diver Rebuildable Atomizer by Atmistique - Phiniac Rugged Pyrex Glass Tanks

Lots of videos out there on how to rebuild it and cheap NR-R-NR wires prejoined on Fasttech
$3.25 Pre-made Welded Wires - NR-R-NR (100-Pack) 100-pack - 0.18mm (33 AWG) / 1.8ohm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

 

[tj99959]

Have to go along with the carto tanks for the win. There isn't a clearo tank that comes close in my book. They're just a completly different vape.

 

[edyle]

I actually have a Diver on its way to me. This is basically a rebuildable replacement for a cartomizer.
V2 Diver Rebuildable Atomizer by Atmistique - Phiniac Rugged Pyrex Glass Tanks

Lots of videos out there on how to rebuild it and cheap NR-R-NR wires prejoined on Fasttech
$3.25 Pre-made Welded Wires - NR-R-NR (100-Pack) 100-pack - 0.18mm (33 AWG) / 1.8ohm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Why the Diver? I thought the Sophia was the latest version?

 

[Myrany]

Why the Diver? I thought the Sophia was the latest version?

A little cheaper and my reloadable visa doesn't work with over seas suppliers.

 

[Maxwell_Edison]

Have to go along with the carto tanks for the win. There isn't a clearo tank that comes close in my book. They're just a completly different vape.

I'm glad to hear another carto fan speak up. I can hit them without ever getting a dry hit, which is a complete turn off! I always save my cartos for ONE boil cleaning, which gives them longer life, and replacing them isn't a big problem for me. If I find something better I'll be happy, but so far I haven't. There's more out there I haven't tried but I have come to believe a CE is a CE and dry hits are common. The Sophia might be a good thing, I'll have to try it. I find it hard to believe they could improve on the carto and still keep it simple to use, but I'm open to the idea.

I'm a High Voltage vaper. Who knows what might work with lower volts, but I don't like lower volt vaping, even if the ohms are less, it's not the same.

 

[Stosh]

I think it would be a major PITA to remove the polyfill without destroying the coil and wire. Not to mention trying to replace the filler with ecowool.

I like your thinking outside of the box, though. Might be a good question to pose to Isaac, the owner of Ikenvape, who has his cartomizers made special for him by a manufacturer in China.

IkenVape

So i found a couple old, unused standard sized 510 cartos, 2.8 ohm. Worried the steel tube off, removed the filler and diapers, replaced with some 3mm ecowool held in place with a single layer of filler on the outside. It actually vapes rather well, royal PITA to assemble, can't load with as much juice as using the standard filler, and I think it would likely flood in a tank.

Seems it was an itch I had to scratch....what's the use of vaping if you can't mod your toppers....
Guess it's time to source a sophia....

 

[edyle]

A little cheaper and my reloadable visa doesn't work with over seas suppliers.

reloadable visa works with paypal, and paypal works with overseas suppliers for ecigs.

i'm still waiting on my first order from fasttech otherwise i'd order a boxfull o stuff from them

 

[edyle]

I'm glad to hear another carto fan speak up. I can hit them without ever getting a dry hit, which is a complete turn off! I always save my cartos for ONE boil cleaning, which gives them longer life, and replacing them isn't a big problem for me. If I find something better I'll be happy, but so far I haven't. There's more out there I haven't tried but I have come to believe a CE is a CE and dry hits are common. The Sophia might be a good thing, I'll have to try it. I find it hard to believe they could improve on the carto and still keep it simple to use, but I'm open to the idea.

I'm a High Voltage vaper. Who knows what might work with lower volts, but I don't like lower volt vaping, even if the ohms are less, it's not the same.

With the Sophia you can unscrew the main long tube and separate it from the bottom part where the coil is.
Also, it does not use filler, it uses wick.
Unscrewing the main cylinder also acts as liquid flow control; like having a carto where you can open the punched holes or close them if you want.
You can use it to drip too! So you can use it for sampling flavors.

 

[tj99959]

With the Sophia you can unscrew the main long tube and separate it from the bottom part where the coil is.
Also, it does not use filler, it uses wick.
Unscrewing the main cylinder also acts as liquid flow control; like having a carto where you can open the punched holes or close them if you want.
You can use it to drip too! So you can use it for sampling flavors.

But does it taste the same as a carto? Or does it taste like a clearo?

 

[Myrany]

But does it taste the same as a carto? Or does it taste like a clearo?

I will let you know when my Diver comes in

 

[edyle]

But does it taste the same as a carto? Or does it taste like a clearo?

I imagine it would not taste 'like a carto' after all, a carto typically has a 'polyfill', so the taste one would get with a carto would be characteristic of the polyfill;

Of course you could just change the 'polyfill' and put ekowool or cotton instead, and I wonder if some people will insist that it is no longer a carto!

 

[Myrany]

I will let you know when my Diver comes in

Diver 2 came in today. I set it up with the premade coil that came with it. No Gurgling or leaking yet (50/50 juice).

I set up 2 tanks one with a 2 ohm boge carto and one with the 2 ohm Diver 2. Same juice in both.

First impression: The flavor is cleaner and less muted with the Diver 2 than with the carto. SO far no gurgling or leaking. Time will tell on that one as most carto's do not do that to me until the 2nd day either. So far I like this thing.

 

[Dzaw]

Please keep us posted as time goes on. I'd love to hear about how long a single build lasts, etc...

 

[edyle]

Diver 2 came in today. I set it up with the premade coil that came with it. No Gurgling or leaking yet (50/50 juice).

I set up 2 tanks one with a 2 ohm boge carto and one with the 2 ohm Diver 2. Same juice in both.

First impression: The flavor is cleaner and less muted with the Diver 2 than with the carto. SO far no gurgling or leaking. Time will tell on that one as most carto's do not do that to me until the 2nd day either. So far I like this thing.

So tell me about the diver; I've seen alot about the sophia; so does it unscrew into a long cylindrical piece and a short piece at the bottom with the coil in the short piece? I wonder what is the difference between the diver and the sophia

 

[Myrany]

So tell me about the diver; I've seen alot about the sophia; so does it unscrew into a long cylindrical piece and a short piece at the bottom with the coil in the short piece? I wonder what is the difference between the diver and the sophia

Basically the difference is juice control. The Diver it is fixed and the Sophia it is adjustable. Otherwise they are basically the same setup.

 

[Myrany]

Diver update.

I am on the second day with this thing, still using hte original coil and wick that came with it. I have now used it on 3 devices, a Vamo V2, A Chi You clone (mech), and an Ego T 18650 (regulated but not variable). The coil is 2.1 ohm btw.

It has performed well on all 3. Obviously the Vamo has the advantage since the voltage could be adjusted but really the flavor has been quite clean on all 3. Moreso than with a carto in the tank and far less muted than a clearo. Right now I have the same juice in the Diver+ Tank, A Carto tank (boge prepunched F16 carto), and an aspire vivi tank. Of those 3 Diver + tank wins hands down on flavor. Vapor production is roughly what you would expect from a single coil, maybe a touch more as it is not that far below the aspire (dual coil) in production. Juice consumption is a bit more than a carto tank.

I have not yet had any gurgling and the only leakage was a single drop on the contact after letting it sit all night. I can live with that.

If you try one of these make sure the tank you put it in has good orings. I am finding I have to be pretty careful how I pick this thing up as my tank will slide off easily. Tank needs new orings and I know it.