Competition is fierce. I can't really think of any competitors with anything positive to say about Fox. And some even pay attention to what's said instead of checking it out themselves.
Dems propose ban on ecigs????
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That might be a decent compromise for many, but I don't see it happening.
We are either going to beat the ANTZ or they are going to beat us.
And if what we exhale is truly not any more harmful than an air freshener...
Then common courtesy should be the only guide.
I disagree. Having FOX News on our side is an asset, The republicans will take the Senate in November easily.
Well, if you only listen to NPR you are a liberal democrat that believes the federal government should regulate everything in our lives and bedroom.
I think having anyone on our side is an asset. As a Californian, I didn’t vote for our current governor, and I don’t think I care to vote for him in the future. But if he were to come down in favor of vaping, I would be thrilled and relieved at the same time.
I have become more political over the years, so forgive me for what I say.. MHO!
We all should know that we'll not be able to vape in public like smokers used to.
For me it's the reasons why..
If it's banned because of ignorance of the facts, then I wish you the best with your elected official..
If it's banned because it offends another rights, well that's another issue and I have to fall in line with this.
My main belief is 'personal rights' to do as we wish as we wish, 'until' it interferes with 'anothers' right to do the same.
Will we have the right to vape where-ever choose?
Probably not..
What's important to me is the How & Why's
Choose your Representatives carefully!
If they don't know, write them and teach them
"I don't get Political often my friends, but when I do, I WRITE THOSE FOLKS and tell 'em what's on my mind!"
Just my 2 cents on life.. Don't hurt me because of it..
We all should know that we'll not be able to vape in public like smokers used to.
For me it's the reasons why..
If it's banned because of ignorance of the facts, then I wish you the best with your elected official..
If it's banned because it offends another rights, well that's another issue and I have to fall in line with this.
My main belief is 'personal rights' to do as we wish as we wish, 'until' it interferes with 'anothers' right to do the same.
Will we have the right to vape where-ever choose?
Probably not..
What's important to me is the How & Why's
Choose your Representatives carefully!
If they don't know, write them and teach them
"I don't get Political often my friends, but when I do, I WRITE THOSE FOLKS and tell 'em what's on my mind!"
Just my 2 cents on life.. Don't hurt me because of it..
Citing the huff-post would be comical if it wasn't so sad. Huffpost almost makes MSNBC look moderate. With huffpost as the source, it only re-enforces that Fox viewers most likely are the most well-rounded and well-informed viewers.
Again - I offered that link because it has a summary of the study and the actual study is embedded within, if you care to read it and decide for yourself whether the methodology was appropriate. I don't always agree with Huffpost either, but you're not going to find a lot of conservative sites talking about this study either. Control of the media can go both ways.
No seems to have read the NPR stories either, which interviewed vape shop owners and vapers as well as ANTZ and did not offer an opinion either way.
Good luck with that...they'll continue to ignore the message because of the messenger.
They're patently not interested in facts, it is emotion and anger that drives ignorance...with a heavy-handed dose of projectionism.
Besides " The median age of a Fox News viewer is over 65" OVER 65!
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Don't be so quick to bash fox news in these threads. You think they don't have 20 something interns browsing our forum & searching keywords via google and browsing other forums for 8 bucks an hour? We can lose their support & they're the only media support we've got at the moment. Lets hope we keep Fox's support and gain the support of the other major news networks too. They are all our allies if they support us, not our enemies.
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Regarding politicians, it all comes down to who is going to make the largest contribution to their reelection campaign. Do I have to ask that between "ANTZ" and "us" who has the most cash?
As to Republicans taking the Senate in 2014, maybe they will but I just see them as "Democrat Lite". They are too interested in devouring their own (Tea Party) and legalizing illegals.
As to Republicans taking the Senate in 2014, maybe they will but I just see them as "Democrat Lite". They are too interested in devouring their own (Tea Party) and legalizing illegals.
Coelli,
You almost cost me a keyboard, i literally blew coffee all over the place when I read your post.
Seriously, the huff post with an unbiased political opinion on fox??
I looked at that so called study you cite. It's no study, it's a biased poll and we know how accurate they can be, especially when conducted by college kids.
Fox is watched by more people than any other network for news, it's in fact a FACT...proven by the numbers which have more viewers than all the other major networks combined. In my opinion partly because people have become tired of being spoonfed liberal bs and obama worship soundbytes on a constant basis.
I hope and prey you're correct about the Senate, I cant wait until Harry Ried and his ilk stop standing in the way of the conservatives.
Too bad they didnt get booted back in 2010 along with nancy & company...maybe the economy wouldnt still be in the tank and we'd all be better off as obamacare would have been abolished...but i digress...one thing that will happen if the dems get the boot...the senate will actually do something for a "change" like PASS A BUDGET !!! (something Harry Ried hasnt done in oh about what SIX years!)
Yeah, it make me want to hurl whenever I hear people like Rove & Krauthammer trying to minimalize the Tea Party for their own greedy ambitions, and rhinos who are willing to throw out conservative principles are equally just as sickening from my pov.
You almost cost me a keyboard, i literally blew coffee all over the place when I read your post.
Seriously, the huff post with an unbiased political opinion on fox??
I looked at that so called study you cite. It's no study, it's a biased poll and we know how accurate they can be, especially when conducted by college kids.
Fox is watched by more people than any other network for news, it's in fact a FACT...proven by the numbers which have more viewers than all the other major networks combined. In my opinion partly because people have become tired of being spoonfed liberal bs and obama worship soundbytes on a constant basis.
I hope and prey you're correct about the Senate, I cant wait until Harry Ried and his ilk stop standing in the way of the conservatives.
Too bad they didnt get booted back in 2010 along with nancy & company...maybe the economy wouldnt still be in the tank and we'd all be better off as obamacare would have been abolished...but i digress...one thing that will happen if the dems get the boot...the senate will actually do something for a "change" like PASS A BUDGET !!! (something Harry Ried hasnt done in oh about what SIX years!)
Yeah, it make me want to hurl whenever I hear people like Rove & Krauthammer trying to minimalize the Tea Party for their own greedy ambitions, and rhinos who are willing to throw out conservative principles are equally just as sickening from my pov.
Coelli,
You almost cost me a keyboard, i literally blew coffee all over the place when I read your post.
I'm glad you were so entertained.
Did you bother to read the NPR articles?I'm sure had that poll showed that Fox viewers were most informed your opinion would be different. The poll questions seemed pretty straightforward to me. What did you think was biased about it?
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I did.
I would call it a hit piece, and propaganda for the antis. A tad more intellectual than what is usually delivered, but if a little familiar with news, and particularly bias, you can see how it is an anti piece. Last line in the piece kinda says it all, "Look for those proposed FDA regulations to come as soon as this month."
This, of course, from Oct. 2013. 4 months later and the concerns that are raised in this piece would likely be magnified, while the pros for vaping, from this perspective would likely be 'more wild west' is occurring, rather than seeing it another way. Namely that eCig individual and collective success continues to grow.
To be even more clear, here is a copy and paste of lines that I call 'hit piece:'
> Special note: I'm intentionally ignoring subtle messages that when taken in context of entire message from NPR make it more of a hit piece than the following quotes provide:
- (Melissa Block) Tobacco watchdogs warn that e-cigarettes are addictive and simple perpetuate the epidemic and little is known about the potential health effects.
- (Block) No national ban on sales to minors, no requirement to list the ingredients. And sales of e-cigarettes have skyrocketed.
- (Foreigner song clip) It feels like the first time...
- (Block) the people who brought you Marlboro, Camel and Newport are now pushing the brands, MarkTen, Vuse and Blu. And they're going after the market full throttle with TV ads and celebrity.
- (STANTON GLANTZ) The marketing that you're seeing in these cigarettes, it's the Wild West. It's like cigarette marketing in the '50s.
- (Block) Remember, cigarette ads on TV have been banned for more than 40 years, but in the absence of regulation, the e-cigarette market is a free-for-all. In half the states, children can legally buy them. They'll find flavors that include cotton candy, tutti-frutti, gummy bear and cherry crush. Jesse Gaddis is the CEO of an indie e-cigarette company based in Brooklyn called Bedford Slims.
- (Block) Glantz says because e-cigarettes aren't yet regulated by the FDA, we don't know exactly what's in them or how dangerous they are. And while some e-cigarette promoters claim the product helps people quit smoking, health advocates have doubts. Tim McAfee with the CDC fears e-cigarettes will simply prolong the smoking epidemic by encouraging what's called dual use. In other words, people won't quit, they'll use both. They'll smoke cigarettes where they can, vape e-cigarettes where they can't.
- (Block) And there's another huge concern. Tim McAfee worries that all those flavors and sexy ads are especially seductive for young people. A recent CDC study shows the percentage of middle and high school students who've tried e-cigarettes more than doubled in just one year.
I could've included more, but actually captured about 50% or more of what is there. To not see this as biased would be like seeing climate change skeptics as completely unbiased in their mission.
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Its a shame that the Free Press, a foundation of our Liberty, has been hijacked by 'agenda'. Our Founders are turning in their graves. Only We The People can stop it. Lets get to it people, instead of all this divided BS. Our division is their victory. If I read this thread correctly, We The People are losing.
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In all fairness, the Free Press was initiated to further an agenda. That of transitioning from a colony to a sovereign nation.
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