RDA Derringer/Velocity/Kennedy

[thetrucker]

I haven't really had that issue with the 2 derringers i run,but i have a Rogue that seems like i'm sucking on a straw haha.Every time i take a draw off it,i get a good amount of juice come through,because it collects on the inside top of the cap,then the airflow just pushes it righ put out to the drip tip,so it doesn't get much use until i can figure out a way to not drink the juice haha.

Somebody a couple of days ago put one of those swivel driptips on their mod so as to stop the spitting of hot juice into their mouth.

maybe we could try this and angle the tip a hard rite or left and then the juice would have to travel around a corner to get us.......hahahahahah

 

[thetrucker]

I haven't really had that issue with the 2 derringers i run,but i have a Rogue that seems like i'm sucking on a straw haha.Every time i take a draw off it,i get a good amount of juice come through,because it collects on the inside top of the cap,then the airflow just pushes it right to the drip tip,so it doesn't get much use until i can figure out a way to not drink the juice haha.

Maybe with this we could get away from the juice in our mouths....hahah....

 

[papergoblin]

I have the derringer (clone) and love the flavor. Clouds are pretty good with the inner afc not used. I usually build at .3 to .5 and run it on my infected mech (real and love it). I also use the mini pom tip it came with, I do push the coils out to the edge and build at 2mm dia.

 

[thetrucker]

Somebody today someplace here said that if you build your coils out close to the airholes on the Derringer you will get no spitback and juice in your mouth....

I don't know I have not tried it yet.......

 

[Nikea Tiber]

My coils usually have an average distance of 2.5mm or so from the air inlet on the derringer.
Out of the three you listed the velocity is probably the easiest to build on.
The derringer is pretty close to the velocity, the way the inner afc ring can be rotated makes setting up airflow really easy as long as you can set your coils up symmetrically. I have never had spitback problems with twisted, twisted parallel, or clapton coils with my derringer. I think it has to do with the turn the airflow has to take to exit the atty.
The Kennedy would be the hardest to build out of the three and as I recall, does not have adjustable airflow. I've built on a version 1 deck for a friend and I own a Nixon, which is basically a Kennedy with airflow control, a block style positive post, and the air inlet on the right hand side of the deck vs left (ha ha ha). While building on the Kennedy/Nixon takes a bit more care they do blow some nice clouds. I especially like twisted chimney coils on rbas that have circular bottom airflow inlets.
If you are interested in bottom airflow without the (minor) inconvenience of off-center air inlets, the freakshow or mad hatter are good bottom airflow rdas as well.

 

[Jim Marshall]

Stock Kennedy and comp are pretty much fog machines the stock less so due to single hole construction on the bottom. Derringer is a nice little flavor atty but so is the REMatty, Mako shorty, (which can chuck some serious clouds) and the vertex JR. The velocity is good for both and the airflow design is nice. The latter two can be built for fog. The Kennedy is always going to be #3 in flavor to the other two.......imho. I'm getting the smaller slam cap for my Kennedy comp and will see if that makes the vapor more flavorful. Disclosure.....I do have all 3.

 

[Cloudd]

Derringer was great flavor.....maybe too much......as I was always getting a mouth full of juice since derringer is so small but your experience mite be different..

I second this. From my experience (I'm a fan), derringer is a cloud RDA on horizontal with overloading flavour and just right for 26 gauge verticals. On verticals derringer has little to no spitbacks, on horizontal, well good luck on the spitbacks

 

[Cloudd]

I used one of the led lites that came with my Deadmodz Atomizer....It came with 3 led lites and made to use 1 bulb at a time in the deadmodz atomizer.

I thought why can't I try these lites in my other atomizers and so installed this--- led bulb----into the Velocity I bought yesterday for 25.00 with tax at local Vape shop.

It said on the deadmodz site that these bulbs were made to work in an atomizer and 5 volts was the maximum they would take before burning out.

I don't really believe they are special---and I wanted to try other ---led Lites--like Radio Shack has just to see what would happen but have not had a chance to try

them yet............this is just a gimmick but a lot of fun to have....it gets a look from people..........pic of my deadmodz atomizer dripper below for reference that

had the lites with it..................View attachment 487819

Standard LED bulbs run on 3 volts limit, well this info is valid in year 2008 lol.

so the coiling part is easy, just that need to get it to the right position for best flavor yea?
anyway, can i ask, if position affects, does it means there is a position for best flavor and a position for best clouds?
or both are in fact the same position and more clouds means more flavor?

Position plus wicking actually. Position determines the speed of air hitting the coils, spitbacks depends on the speed, clouds depends on the speed of air too. Wicking will affect the juice input to the coils, if you've wicked a vertical before, you'll know that the usual kind of wicking retains more heat and since less exposed area of the coils, gives less clouds, but retained heat boosts the flavour quite much.

ADD: for derringer, the wide driptip that comes with it works best. Thinner driptips especially aluminium driptips, condense the vapour fast and when you take a pull, the air will force the condensed juice up (into your mouth). The wide POM (delrin) driptip will catch some spits and since it's wider that the it's base, doesn't draw as much of the juice up.

 

[papergoblin]

I also got to thinking on this, spitting a lot of times is caused by too little wick. Adding a thicker wick may help solve this, not sure if I read above and someone mentioned this, if they did sorry for the copy.

I generally use more cotton than less, sometimes it works and sometimes I have to rewick. I do have a bud that has been doing nano coils (1mm diameter) and setting them on a cotton bed. He swears by it, I haven't tried it on the derringer but may be worth a try.

 

[thetrucker]

I am squonking on my Derringer at the moment and finding that if the wick id good and wet

then all the spitting and crackling stops........

 

[big4570]

I only own the Kennedy, and the flavor is very good and really does blow some huge clouds. It was good enough for me to go ahead and spend 100 bucks on the authentic version. The first time I have done so.

 

[mark88]

my vote is for the velocity, huge build deck.

 

[Tom Forde]

Kennedy's can be good for flavor and clouds both. They redesigned the deck, so the Atty's with old style decks are going cheap on kennedyvapor.com ... The build your own Kennedy with Gremlin cap is $75.
Derringer is a neat little atty, but the post holes aren't the biggest, and to redrip you need to pull the topcap and realign the afc. There are aftermarket body's for derringers where the top cap is more like a bambino in the sense that you just pop the top leaving afc unaffected.
With a Kennedy, you can just pop the cap and put it back on any which way, unless it's a demon cap, without worrying about afc.
You gotta worry bout over dripping on any of these atty's, but more so on a Kennedy because of the bottom airflow. There's also a 2x difference between the Kennedy and the Kennedy Comp, with airflow. On a Kennedy/Kennedy Competition you can get really great flavor & clouds with the right coil/wicking set ups. I'd advise a Kennedy/Comp Kennedy if you're semi-experienced with RDA's already because you need to center the coils over the afc, wicking needs to be right, over dripping, etc, to prevent leaking.

An alternate to the derringer in terms of size would be something like a hobo v3.1, it's a 2 post design like the velocity but only 2 post holes. Its great on flavor and clouds. Also a Dinghy by Flawless, same size profile & made by the makers of the tugboat. There are a lot more low profile atty's on the market now.
As for the velocity, I can't really say, I've never had one, but I have built on them. Super easy to build on. Best option for single coil is one coil straight through the middle of the posts. I hear people rave about it and there's so much hype behind it. 2 post atty's are my personal favorite to build on (super easy) and I personally don't see how one could get a lot of leakage from it if the direct airflow is closed off.

In the end it all depends on what you build. All 3 atty's are capable of producing massive clouds with the right set ups. Flavor is always dependent on your wick and wire IMO.
I've been debating a Kennedy 24 vs a Hyon Pugio vs Aeolus v2 for a month and a half now, so don't rush your decision if you're buying authentic.

 

[Deap]

Derringer is a known flavor champ and it does exactly that, just you're a little limited on space in terms of what you can build in it.

The velocity, however, produces slightly less flavor in simple builds, but has the hole space to fit anything you can dream up. So for me the velocity is my #1 go to Atty for just about anything except nickle builds.

 

[Tepid]

Why not Nickel builds?
I make low flavor juice, and while the flavor is not high, it still chucks clouds on a IPV 3 Li VR.

The MutationX v3 I have is a great flavor cloud producer though, on Nichrome80.

 

[TKS]

Best of both worlds: Stumpy RDA. Build deck of a velocity with the profile of a derringer. But if you must choose only from those two it depends... The derringer will produce more flavor because of a more compact chamber. But only if you stick with regular traditional microcoils. If you want more flavor, then you build exotic and more mass increased coils like claptons and their offsprings. Those could produce amazing amount of flavor, but in a derringer, it might be hard to sustain because of the massive heat generation and size the coils will take up (especially since you should be building 3mm diameter and higher wraps so you can stuff more cotton and have more juice on reserve ready to be vaporized by these huge coil builds). That's where the velocity will shine. It's airflow will suffice and excel better. It will allow you to go and build bigger builds but not have a flavor and heat explosion like the derringer might. The coils sit very high away from the well that holds to juice so the airflow will pass around the heating element without having the heating element swim in juice that would boil and spitback otherwise in a derringer.

So like I said, it depends on how high of a flavor standard you have. And also naturally how powerful of a device you have to run the coil build you really would like. But in the end. For those who understand the concepts of flavor production. The velocity has a higher flavor potential, even if it is many times more impractical and tedious to attain and sustain (battery life wise, and the heavy amounts of juice you will be draining).

 

[Tom Forde]

Okay so now that I own a Kennedy, I'll give you an update. It's ****ing awesome. I just picked up a Kennedy 24 & it really does not leak. It's got pretty good flavor as well. And yes. It is a ****ing fog machine lol. It chucks the flavors and the clouds.