Desperate to figure out why dark juices taste "burnt".
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I'm not going to jump on you for going to a Middle Eastern shop. If they have the juice that you like, I say go for it. America is the land of opportunity and all that crap.
ReJuve, I haven't seen many reviews for it, although from the way it's marketed, it looks like a pre-mix deal. You get the individual flavors you like, mix them together, and *Poof* you're a DIY'er. If you really like the juice, a site called Universal Wholesale has them for sale there, 6 10ml bottles for $12. Otherwise, if you order from ReJuve site, it's $9.99 a 10ml bottle.
Again, I'm happy you finally have something that works. Once you get a RDA working, the flavor will really pop. Until then, enjoy what you have, and enjoy it more for what you've been through.
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I can't find the bottle size on the website! What's odd is that the prices on there are $9.99 - at the shop, $2.99. Maybe it's just that the bottles on there are 30ml or something, but not sure. Can't find any info.
I can't find the bottle size on the website! What's odd is that the prices on there are $9.99 - at the shop, $2.99. Maybe it's just that the bottles on there are 30ml or something, but not sure. Can't find any info.
One of the popular juice sites offers very good prices & rates all their juices on a scale of 1 to 5 for the colour of the juice. Might be a good place to find some that are clear.... if you are willing to buy online without sampling.
Bud, there are plenty of other issues that could be going on, other than a flavoring issue. It's been answered multiple times, and each time, you ignore it and go in the direction you want to go in regarding placing blame. If you're going to do what you want to do anyway, why waste everyones time by asking a question?
With regards to the wicky taste, there are other issues others have brought up. Out of all the problems faced by vapers, you seem to be part of the slim minority with this issue. Because of that, I seriously doubt it's the flavorings in the juice, otherwise everybody would have this issue.
Very true. Someone more experienced can tell you why that is, all I know is clear or light colored juices are stellar, while dark juices gunk quickly.
I'm not trying to nitpick, but we've already established the fact that you either use too little or too much power. With that being said, what do you consider to be "medium power?"
It's been said by many that coffee and chocolate are the Holy Grail of vaping. If you want to experience a good coffee flavor, Starbucks, Dunkin Donuts, or even McDonalds might be a better solution.
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The bottles on that site are 10ml bottles. Click on any flavor, then click on the second pic....ah poop, I'll just provide the pic. It's at the bottom of the packaging.
Just above this text right here, you will see 1.8% Nicotine 10ml (xxx Fl Oz). Sometimes words don't describe what it is, you need to look at the pictures as well, especially when it shows bottles or packaging.
Like I said about the wholesale place, it's $12 for 6 10ml bottle. Cut out the middleman, or one of them at least.
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Ok, I've thought on this and here goes:
Where do you live? Don't answer here, pm me. If you are close, I will come to you and sit with you, go to the vape shop with you, whatever it takes. I'm retired, so I have the time. I'm a fulltime rv'er, so I'm incredibly mobile. I am a teacher at heart, so I have the patience. I also have a strong pay it forward attitude...heck, I should give mobile vape classes, lol! Trust me, I do hold class at rv parks.
I wouldn't offer such extreme lengths to help you if I didn't care. You seem to have absolutely the worst trouble I've ever ever heard of, so I believe you may be a tactile learner. If I can teach adults that are tactile learners to read, I can teach you to vape.
Cards on the table, no tricks. I'd do that for you.
Sent by my cat through pure magic
Where do you live? Don't answer here, pm me. If you are close, I will come to you and sit with you, go to the vape shop with you, whatever it takes. I'm retired, so I have the time. I'm a fulltime rv'er, so I'm incredibly mobile. I am a teacher at heart, so I have the patience. I also have a strong pay it forward attitude...heck, I should give mobile vape classes, lol! Trust me, I do hold class at rv parks.
I wouldn't offer such extreme lengths to help you if I didn't care. You seem to have absolutely the worst trouble I've ever ever heard of, so I believe you may be a tactile learner. If I can teach adults that are tactile learners to read, I can teach you to vape.
Cards on the table, no tricks. I'd do that for you.
Sent by my cat through pure magic
My hat is off to you catalinaflyer. GN!, ignore this gentleman's advice at your own risk. Of never learning how to vape coffee juices, ever.
Vape on.
Pray tell, how did you get the evods to not taste of silica/metal ions/skin/whatever.
Share it here so if anyone ever experiences the same issues, they can try your fix. Your fix may work for light juices, but not coffee juices, maybe?
Share it here so if anyone ever experiences the same issues, they can try your fix. Your fix may work for light juices, but not coffee juices, maybe?
Well, here's some strange news - just tried the French Vanilla, which is almost just as dark as the coffee, and it's working generally ok. Not fantastically, it's presenting a little bit of a dry vape and presenting some throat tightness, which is a bit odd, but it's not tasting burnt or anything. Sort of a very, very, very light vanilla.
I'm just trying to figure the issue out like anyone else, and yes, I will ignore advice that comes across as "You're setting your non-VV battery too high." or "A 2.4ohm coil is too hot." or "You came down with vaper's tongue in a span of 10 minutes even if you didn't eat, drink, or smoke anything." When it comes down to it, these power aspects are the combinations that actually give me a great result when shop sampling, though they may use 1.8ohm coils, not sure.
To me, there's just a standard in vaping, and I think the vaping community as a whole needs to move past power and vaper's tongue issues when helping users that get extreme results that can't readily be properly explained by vaper's tongue or the power levels that normal vaping devices are intended to yield. To my knowledge, vaper's tongue can cause some muting, or maybe some oddity flavors on some juices. I don't believe there's any science out there that'd explain a person tasting an extreme burnt taste or metallic flavors, or whatever.
It comes across to me just like some run-around advice that any vendor would give to avoid changing out a bad head or a bad juice. That's what I've always had a problem with, yet I don't get rude about my issue with that type of advice until it gets to the point someone tries to accuse me of not knowing what I'm doing. I do get right with people in that situation, I don't appreciate run-around advice and insults, especially when it's not correct, and that's why I think ECF is a clown fest at times. This forum has always treated me like any scam artist vendor would do, and on top of that, the issues don't get solved.
Now, when it comes to the more specific advice, the stuff that indeed sounds logical, I'm all for trying stuff out, and I plan to do so, but so far, I haven't really heard much in the way of a set-in-stone thing that fixes this issue. I've heard some tips like trying higher power, or letting the wick soak overnight, or steeping, but when it comes down to it, I'm not seeing an overwhelming pattern of what works, and it's still jumping out to me that there's a bigger issue to take in hand - simply because I've gotten this result across so many juices and so many heads, batteries, and atomizers.
Yes, this is an issue that I've seen hundreds of users report, the burning of coffee juice, I've seen it on multiple forums, and from the issue, it seems like a mystery issue that has been plaguing users since vaping first began. I've even had this result across a couple brands of pre-filled cartos, like Blu and their own coffees. When you have a Blu, there's not much you can do with it - it's an auto-battery, and what comes with it should work.
This isn't just a "me" issue. I've seen this situation across hundreds of users, and as I said, most of the time, this forum seems to dismiss the issues as vaper's tongue or a user mistake, and I don't believe that's the issue. I believe there's a bigger factor at hand, one that is more complex, because the stories and the situations are so exactly alike from user to user. People can try to make me out to be the most cursed person here, but I literally have never reported a problem that I've never seen about 100 times across the entirety of the forum.
In most of those cases, the problem is never fixed, people either move onto a new device, or a new juice, or whatever. That's not what I'm about. I'm about saving money, and getting truly good juices to work as the manufacturer intended. For example, I trust Halo, I trust that Halo's a brand that tests their own products are obviously getting a creamy result on the chocolates and coffees, just like I did when I sampled Halo's juices at a juice bar (a local vendor indeed sells their juice.) I know the results that I believe they intend. I do not think Halo intends for their coffees and chocolates to taste burnt. That's my belief. I don't think it's a taste issue. I've even talked to many vendors who say this experience is nowhere near normal or what they intend.
But the vaping community at large seems to think this is "Just what coffees and chocolates do." or even "That's what their made to do." and yet that is not the truth. The truth is, there's a standard of what these juices are supposed to do, and wether it's a coil problem, an unfixable manufacturing residue problem, or a problem with shorts or connectivity, or a battery issue, too many users experience this with these juices for this to be something I myself will brush off. I want to find out what causes this, both for my experience and for hundreds of others, and if I can find out why this is happening, then I have a gut feeling that it'll expose exactly why the Evod coils (and any others) simultaniously mute light flavors out the .....
It really is as though no juices work right on these devices, but that the light ones simply at least don't burn. It's not like I'm getting fantastic results with the light juices. They're simply not burning. But they're extremely muted. If I remove a flavor wick, the thing leaks - even simply turning the rubber gasket upside down causes some flooding every now and then, and doesn't improve the flavor on top of that. That's where I run into a dead end of what can be wrong.
My personal theory? Beyond anything else, it's been my theory since day one that something is causing my coils to get too hot in comparison to the power settings. Beyond anything else, it's what could explain the severe metallic taste I get at higher power, and the instant burned juice with darker juices. I don't personally believe the lines are as clear as "Oh, you're battery would explode." or "Oh, the tank would melt." I believe there's obviously ranges of temperature that are still well below anything physically dangerous, but could simply be way too hot for what the device intends.
Or, like I've said before, it could be "spots" on the coil that are doing this. It'd stand to reason that if there was any type of short or anything, that it could cause one part of the coil to get super hot, and the other part to not get hot at all. I don't know the full details of how that works, but it's simply what makes common sense to me. And from what I can tell about shorts in my testing, you can practically do anything to a coil, touch it with pliers, anything, and it still reads the same ohms. Ohm checkers, imo, seem a bit ridiculous when it comes to actually checking for interference with wire, but again, who knows, I sure don't. I'm just trying to find out.
I'm just trying to figure the issue out like anyone else, and yes, I will ignore advice that comes across as "You're setting your non-VV battery too high." or "A 2.4ohm coil is too hot." or "You came down with vaper's tongue in a span of 10 minutes even if you didn't eat, drink, or smoke anything." When it comes down to it, these power aspects are the combinations that actually give me a great result when shop sampling, though they may use 1.8ohm coils, not sure.
To me, there's just a standard in vaping, and I think the vaping community as a whole needs to move past power and vaper's tongue issues when helping users that get extreme results that can't readily be properly explained by vaper's tongue or the power levels that normal vaping devices are intended to yield. To my knowledge, vaper's tongue can cause some muting, or maybe some oddity flavors on some juices. I don't believe there's any science out there that'd explain a person tasting an extreme burnt taste or metallic flavors, or whatever.
It comes across to me just like some run-around advice that any vendor would give to avoid changing out a bad head or a bad juice. That's what I've always had a problem with, yet I don't get rude about my issue with that type of advice until it gets to the point someone tries to accuse me of not knowing what I'm doing. I do get right with people in that situation, I don't appreciate run-around advice and insults, especially when it's not correct, and that's why I think ECF is a clown fest at times. This forum has always treated me like any scam artist vendor would do, and on top of that, the issues don't get solved.
Now, when it comes to the more specific advice, the stuff that indeed sounds logical, I'm all for trying stuff out, and I plan to do so, but so far, I haven't really heard much in the way of a set-in-stone thing that fixes this issue. I've heard some tips like trying higher power, or letting the wick soak overnight, or steeping, but when it comes down to it, I'm not seeing an overwhelming pattern of what works, and it's still jumping out to me that there's a bigger issue to take in hand - simply because I've gotten this result across so many juices and so many heads, batteries, and atomizers.
Yes, this is an issue that I've seen hundreds of users report, the burning of coffee juice, I've seen it on multiple forums, and from the issue, it seems like a mystery issue that has been plaguing users since vaping first began. I've even had this result across a couple brands of pre-filled cartos, like Blu and their own coffees. When you have a Blu, there's not much you can do with it - it's an auto-battery, and what comes with it should work.
This isn't just a "me" issue. I've seen this situation across hundreds of users, and as I said, most of the time, this forum seems to dismiss the issues as vaper's tongue or a user mistake, and I don't believe that's the issue. I believe there's a bigger factor at hand, one that is more complex, because the stories and the situations are so exactly alike from user to user. People can try to make me out to be the most cursed person here, but I literally have never reported a problem that I've never seen about 100 times across the entirety of the forum.
In most of those cases, the problem is never fixed, people either move onto a new device, or a new juice, or whatever. That's not what I'm about. I'm about saving money, and getting truly good juices to work as the manufacturer intended. For example, I trust Halo, I trust that Halo's a brand that tests their own products are obviously getting a creamy result on the chocolates and coffees, just like I did when I sampled Halo's juices at a juice bar (a local vendor indeed sells their juice.) I know the results that I believe they intend. I do not think Halo intends for their coffees and chocolates to taste burnt. That's my belief. I don't think it's a taste issue. I've even talked to many vendors who say this experience is nowhere near normal or what they intend.
But the vaping community at large seems to think this is "Just what coffees and chocolates do." or even "That's what their made to do." and yet that is not the truth. The truth is, there's a standard of what these juices are supposed to do, and wether it's a coil problem, an unfixable manufacturing residue problem, or a problem with shorts or connectivity, or a battery issue, too many users experience this with these juices for this to be something I myself will brush off. I want to find out what causes this, both for my experience and for hundreds of others, and if I can find out why this is happening, then I have a gut feeling that it'll expose exactly why the Evod coils (and any others) simultaniously mute light flavors out the .....
It really is as though no juices work right on these devices, but that the light ones simply at least don't burn. It's not like I'm getting fantastic results with the light juices. They're simply not burning. But they're extremely muted. If I remove a flavor wick, the thing leaks - even simply turning the rubber gasket upside down causes some flooding every now and then, and doesn't improve the flavor on top of that. That's where I run into a dead end of what can be wrong.
My personal theory? Beyond anything else, it's been my theory since day one that something is causing my coils to get too hot in comparison to the power settings. Beyond anything else, it's what could explain the severe metallic taste I get at higher power, and the instant burned juice with darker juices. I don't personally believe the lines are as clear as "Oh, you're battery would explode." or "Oh, the tank would melt." I believe there's obviously ranges of temperature that are still well below anything physically dangerous, but could simply be way too hot for what the device intends.
Or, like I've said before, it could be "spots" on the coil that are doing this. It'd stand to reason that if there was any type of short or anything, that it could cause one part of the coil to get super hot, and the other part to not get hot at all. I don't know the full details of how that works, but it's simply what makes common sense to me. And from what I can tell about shorts in my testing, you can practically do anything to a coil, touch it with pliers, anything, and it still reads the same ohms. Ohm checkers, imo, seem a bit ridiculous when it comes to actually checking for interference with wire, but again, who knows, I sure don't. I'm just trying to find out.
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Well, it is a mystery. However - if the juice tastes good at the shop & bad at home, perhaps you can do a sort of experiment to get a bit more information? How about taking your battery & tank that tastes burnt over to the shop where you sampled the juice & liked it, then trying a) your tank on their battery & b) their tank on your battery. It may help you figure out WHERE the problem is, which would get you one step closer to the solution. If it turns out to be the tank, then you still have question of whether it is the juice, the coil, or whatever....but still, it might be worth trying, if you really want to solve this.
If you have exhausted the knowledge base here maybe you should take it up with the manufacturers.
I read,I learn,I get a good vape and most importantly I don't smoke anymore.
I read,I learn,I get a good vape and most importantly I don't smoke anymore.
In the meantime...I'm vaping my frankenvape tank, doing shots, and cleaning a different collection of mine. In my zen place, being the change.....
That collection is alluded to in a different thread that's still open....hey, it's a pastime....
Still waiting on a pm
Sent by my cat through pure magic
That collection is alluded to in a different thread that's still open....hey, it's a pastime....
Still waiting on a pm
Sent by my cat through pure magic
Ok. I've heard just about enough of that. Now I may not need the vape 101 class, but I'm dipping my toes in the mech and rebuildables pool, and if the MissKitty express is rolling, I wanna put in an app, plead my case, sell myself as a candidate, etc.
I think I'm a pretty all right dude, but my girlfriend is really cool.
Austin is world renowned for being a hip, fun, and weird city.
I grill a mean burger, steak, pork loin!
Got some really cool vape shops in town.
I've got plenty of OJ, and nothing that tastes like grandmas elbow skin. (Unless she happens to be visiting. I've never tried them, for the record.)
C'mon MissKitty. Get the wheels goin.
While your out rolling across America I'd like an application as well. Doubt I need much vapeducation but I do have a bottle of Tigran 20 year and 30 year I'll share.
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Any time!! Home base is eastern wa...think nuclear...
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Give a honk when rolling through Ga Miss Kitty... you might have to find me on another forum, I hope not, but we'll see...because someone needs to say this:
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