Desperate to figure out why dark juices taste "burnt".

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Topwater Elvis

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Fill clearo with juice be sure to thoroughly shake the bottle beforehand. Allow time for juice to fully saturate wicking material, take a couple primer puffs without pressing fire button.
If it is wicking / saturated good enough to vape you should notice a taste of the liquid, at least a hint of the flavor. This will help prevent burning the first time you press the fire button.

Using a vv/vw turn the power down to 3.0v - 3.2ish take a vape, if it lacked something gradually increase power is small increments until you find what your looking for, be sure to allow enough time for the wicking material to re saturate between vapes.
If you notice a slight hint of burnt taste turn the power down until you don't taste the burny.

Do not under or over power your coil resistance or juice flavorings, you will get funky odd tastes or burnt tastes if you do.
Adequate airflow into the topper is important to prevent gunking and or burning.
This air flow entering the delivery device mixes with the vapor being produced by the coil/head then travels up through the air / center tube comes from adequate draw strength. Too hard or fast or too slow and weak both cause problems.
You might have to experiment a minute or two to get the hang of it.

After a coil/head is gunked up you have to clean it or replace it, continuing to use a gunked coil/head will sooner or later cause the caramelized coil gunk to vaporize if it is wet enough or burn if is dry.
This will taste like any imaginable odd/weird taste you want to make up to describe it.
Sweet, dark, thick, artificially colored juices are known to be slow wickers and coil / head gunkers.

When a coil/head gives off a burnt taste it needs to be cleaned or replaced, burnt tastes won't go away on its own.
After you experience a burnt taste sometimes it taints the remaining juice in the clearo, returning juice into the bottle after you notice a burnt taste will sometimes taint the entire contents of the bottle.
No matter how many times you clean the clearo or change the head if you fill it with tainted juice its gonna taste funky.

Sometimes folks vape in a manner where the wicking material cannot keep up with their demand.
This causes the wicking material in or nearest the coil to dry out, sometimes you might get a muted / flavorless / hot or burnt taste or any other creative way you want to describe the taste caused by inadequate wicking.

If you actually want help you'll have to actually listen to, comprehend and do what successful chocolate & coffee vapers suggest.

A simply worded question or two would be far more productive for every one involved / trying to help.
Your walls of text where 12 ~ 24 words would do are IMO unnecessary and getting way past tiresome.

You're welcome.

Have a nice day!
 

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:offtopic: @Asbestos4004, I wish you would edit your post. Not because I disagree with it, but because I have read other posts by you that have served a helpful purpose and I would hate to see you get in trouble over this, it is not worth it.

If that happens, you'd better do it to me, too. I'm three years in here; I've never suffered a fool like this. Pontius Pilot says it best.....

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I added a semi-colon...because the proper use of them is a dying art.
 
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:offtopic: @Asbestos4004, I wish you would edit your post. Not because I disagree with it, but because I have read other posts by you that have served a helpful purpose and I would hate to see you get in trouble over this, it is not worth it.
I obviously picked the wrong weekend to lower my nic...thanks, buddy!
 

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Well, here's some strange news - just tried the French Vanilla, which is almost just as dark as the coffee, and it's working generally ok. Not fantastically, it's presenting a little bit of a dry vape and presenting some throat tightness, which is a bit odd, but it's not tasting burnt or anything. Sort of a very, very, very light vanilla.

I'm just trying to figure the issue out like anyone else, and yes, I will ignore advice that comes across as "You're setting your non-VV battery too high." or "A 2.4ohm coil is too hot." or "You came down with vaper's tongue in a span of 10 minutes even if you didn't eat, drink, or smoke anything." When it comes down to it, these power aspects are the combinations that actually give me a great result when shop sampling, though they may use 1.8ohm coils, not sure.

To me, there's just a standard in vaping, and I think the vaping community as a whole needs to move past power and vaper's tongue issues when helping users that get extreme results that can't readily be properly explained by vaper's tongue or the power levels that normal vaping devices are intended to yield. To my knowledge, vaper's tongue can cause some muting, or maybe some oddity flavors on some juices. I don't believe there's any science out there that'd explain a person tasting an extreme burnt taste or metallic flavors, or whatever.

It comes across to me just like some run-around advice that any vendor would give to avoid changing out a bad head or a bad juice. That's what I've always had a problem with, yet I don't get rude about my issue with that type of advice until it gets to the point someone tries to accuse me of not knowing what I'm doing. I do get right with people in that situation, I don't appreciate run-around advice and insults, especially when it's not correct, and that's why I think ECF is a clown fest at times. This forum has always treated me like any scam artist vendor would do, and on top of that, the issues don't get solved.

Now, when it comes to the more specific advice, the stuff that indeed sounds logical, I'm all for trying stuff out, and I plan to do so, but so far, I haven't really heard much in the way of a set-in-stone thing that fixes this issue. I've heard some tips like trying higher power, or letting the wick soak overnight, or steeping, but when it comes down to it, I'm not seeing an overwhelming pattern of what works, and it's still jumping out to me that there's a bigger issue to take in hand - simply because I've gotten this result across so many juices and so many heads, batteries, and atomizers.

Yes, this is an issue that I've seen hundreds of users report, the burning of coffee juice, I've seen it on multiple forums, and from the issue, it seems like a mystery issue that has been plaguing users since vaping first began. I've even had this result across a couple brands of pre-filled cartos, like Blu and their own coffees. When you have a Blu, there's not much you can do with it - it's an auto-battery, and what comes with it should work.

This isn't just a "me" issue. I've seen this situation across hundreds of users, and as I said, most of the time, this forum seems to dismiss the issues as vaper's tongue or a user mistake, and I don't believe that's the issue. I believe there's a bigger factor at hand, one that is more complex, because the stories and the situations are so exactly alike from user to user. People can try to make me out to be the most cursed person here, but I literally have never reported a problem that I've never seen about 100 times across the entirety of the forum.

In most of those cases, the problem is never fixed, people either move onto a new device, or a new juice, or whatever. That's not what I'm about. I'm about saving money, and getting truly good juices to work as the manufacturer intended. For example, I trust Halo, I trust that Halo's a brand that tests their own products are obviously getting a creamy result on the chocolates and coffees, just like I did when I sampled Halo's juices at a juice bar (a local vendor indeed sells their juice.) I know the results that I believe they intend. I do not think Halo intends for their coffees and chocolates to taste burnt. That's my belief. I don't think it's a taste issue. I've even talked to many vendors who say this experience is nowhere near normal or what they intend.

But the vaping community at large seems to think this is "Just what coffees and chocolates do." or even "That's what their made to do." and yet that is not the truth. The truth is, there's a standard of what these juices are supposed to do, and wether it's a coil problem, an unfixable manufacturing residue problem, or a problem with shorts or connectivity, or a battery issue, too many users experience this with these juices for this to be something I myself will brush off. I want to find out what causes this, both for my experience and for hundreds of others, and if I can find out why this is happening, then I have a gut feeling that it'll expose exactly why the Evod coils (and any others) simultaniously mute light flavors out the .....

It really is as though no juices work right on these devices, but that the light ones simply at least don't burn. It's not like I'm getting fantastic results with the light juices. They're simply not burning. But they're extremely muted. If I remove a flavor wick, the thing leaks - even simply turning the rubber gasket upside down causes some flooding every now and then, and doesn't improve the flavor on top of that. That's where I run into a dead end of what can be wrong.

My personal theory? Beyond anything else, it's been my theory since day one that something is causing my coils to get too hot in comparison to the power settings. Beyond anything else, it's what could explain the severe metallic taste I get at higher power, and the instant burned juice with darker juices. I don't personally believe the lines are as clear as "Oh, you're battery would explode." or "Oh, the tank would melt." I believe there's obviously ranges of temperature that are still well below anything physically dangerous, but could simply be way too hot for what the device intends.

Or, like I've said before, it could be "spots" on the coil that are doing this. It'd stand to reason that if there was any type of short or anything, that it could cause one part of the coil to get super hot, and the other part to not get hot at all. I don't know the full details of how that works, but it's simply what makes common sense to me. And from what I can tell about shorts in my testing, you can practically do anything to a coil, touch it with pliers, anything, and it still reads the same ohms. Ohm checkers, imo, seem a bit ridiculous when it comes to actually checking for interference with wire, but again, who knows, I sure don't. I'm just trying to find out.

Bottom line then is you need to see someone else about your vaping problems. If you are not interested in trying to work out your problem with the information that others have generously given you, even though you have been rude as hell to them & never, ever bothered to thank any person who's ever spent so much time & effort trying & suggest things THAT HAVE WORKED FOR THEM &/OR OTHERS THEY KNOW then that is the only solution.

I'm just glad I didn't attempt to form any kind of suggestion response to help you out before reading this post. Now I will not bother, nor will I EVER bother. Annoyed.
 
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It comes across to me just like some run-around advice that any vendor would give to avoid changing out a bad head or a bad juice. That's what I've always had a problem with, yet I don't get rude about my issue with that type of advice until it gets to the point someone tries to accuse me of not knowing what I'm doing. I do get right with people in that situation, I don't appreciate run-around advice and insults, especially when it's not correct, and that's why I think ECF is a clown fest at times. This forum has always treated me like any scam artist vendor would do, and on top of that, the issues don't get solved.

I'm asking a nice as I possibly can that you refrain from grouping all 20,000+ active members and then self appointing as the spokesman. The correct phrase would be "your issues don't get resolved"! I have seen literally thousands of issues resolved here on ECF. I have seen issues identical to yours that get resolved often in minutes, sometimes hours but never more than a day later.

Again I ask as nicely as I can muster that you please refrain from acting as the spokesman for all of us, or for that matter any of us. Speak for yourself, if your not getting the help you seek here then go try NV or PotV.
 
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If that happens, you'd better do it to me, too. I'm three years in here; I've never suffered a fool like this. Pontius Pilot says it best.....

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I added a semi-colon...because the proper use of them is a dying art.

I haven't been here that long, but I too would be gone if he gets in trouble for his post. Not that it matters to anyone that I left, but there are plenty of forums on this subject for my needs, to have to know someone like GN is allowed to post ramblings and ignore all advice, and then insult people for their attempts to help.

What was the UK site he got banned from? I would like to go read there for a bit and see if I can still see what they flung at him :)
 

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I haven't been here that long, but I too would be gone if he gets in trouble for his post. Not that it matters to anyone that I left, but there are plenty of forums on this subject for my needs, to have to know someone like GN is allowed to post ramblings and ignore all advice, and then insult people for their attempts to help.

What was the UK site he got banned from? I would like to go read there for a bit and see if I can still see what they flung at him :)
http://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/forums/forum.php cool name, huh?
 

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Only thing I am gonna add to this thread... Halo's Belgian Cocoa and Café Mocha ALWAYS taste good- to ME. I used them both in cartos, Protanks and EVODS. I have used them on twist batteries set at 3.4 to 3.8 and Provari set at 3.6 to 3.8. I use them with a 2.2 and 2.5 coil. Any coil or setting higher or lower than those ranges = wrongness.
Just MY experiences and may not work for you.

EDIT to say... neither of these juices need steeping time, good right out of the mail

Taste is very subjective. IMO Halo Belgian Cocoa was still unvapable for me after steeping it for several months.
 

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I'm asking a nice as I possibly can that you refrain from grouping all 20,000+ active members and then self appointing as the spokesman. The correct phrase would be "your issues don't get resolved"! I have seen literally thousands of issues resolved here on ECF. I have seen issues identical to yours that get resolved often in minutes, sometimes hours but never more than a day later.

Again I ask as nicely as I can muster that you please refrain from acting as the spokesman for all of us, or for that matter any of us. Speak for yourself, if your not getting the help you seek here then go try NV or PotV.

+1......I do not require a spokesman.
 

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Lol. For those who missed it, asbestos was just talking about clowns with big posterior regions and little pee wees. Nothing to it, nothing to it. Lol.

GN, you haven't shared with us how you managed to get the evods working right for you. If you did, I'm sorry I must have missed it.

BTW, kanger coils used to use only resistance wires. I've read that they've switched to nr and r wires. BUT, I can't confirm that for a fact since I haven't bought any new heads. You can take out your old coil and have a look. If there are no nr wires, and you don't taste burnt rubber in your vapes, then you're not sensitive to the taste of rubber. Go ahead and try the Cisco wire in it then.
 
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