Diacetyl and Acetyl Propyniol test results of 42 brands of Juice
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the state of California list milk and sand as class A carcinogens and have studies to support that claim. but im not going to stop drinking milk or going to the beach based on questionable science. the argument against vaping is "we don't know but lets avoid it to be safe just in case its not safe" my body and lungs tell me its better for me than smoking and it help me quit a very bad habit.TFA has several cream flavors that do not contain diketones and are very taste but I do not like scare tactics based on "junk science"
I find it rather amusing when ex-smokers get concerned about 1 or 2 ingredients in their eliquid after having smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years...LOL
Same gear is worn at horseradish factories.Funny thing, this is what workers wear at popcorn flavoring factories...
Yes, horseradish concentrate can irritate the lungs and cause difficulty breathing. Not so much artificial butter concentrate, though. Perhaps there is an ingredient which should not be inhaled...
Does anyone ask any fast food restraunt what types of preservatives are used in their food? Or what is the maintained temperature of the area where food is kept? Or the manufacture date of the food they stock? What about the last time they cleaned the fountain drink machines and ice cream machines and coffee makers. I am pretty sure none of this will stop anyone who is currently vaping from doing so. Use the information provided for your own personal decisions. I think people have enough government in their lives as it is.
One doesn't have to; there are regulations... I know the tired argument some will bring up, that even with regulations people get sick. I can't imagine how many more would get sick without any standards...
I take it you were never 15 and invincible? Some of us have grown up, even though it took 20 years, and have realized our health is important...
Personally, I really don't care if vapers or anyone else don't care about themselves. Given the obesity rates in the US, many don't...
If you think Dr. F. and the vape-friendly researchers/chemists who work on the studies with him are engaging in junk science, maybe you can make some suggestions.
I've read Dr. Farsalino's C.V. and have no need to do so.
Do people whose goal is "good health" patronize fast food restaurants? I thought this was a topic about not taking avoidable risks with one's health.
So: " If you've abused yourself for 30 years, there's no point in taking better care of yourself."
Got it.
Who is talking about government?
Are you opposed to the goal of "transparency" in the products we pay for by the makers and sellers of eliquid? Because that is what many vapers have been asking for. There are customers who want to avoid ejuice with 1843 ppm of AP in it.
Back in 2014 when Dr. F. tested eliquids and found 70% + contained the contaminants in question that are "avoidable risks", seems like most of the companies did very little, if anything, about it.
Now, somebody ponies up the $$ to have a bunch of liquids tested, and the ones who couldn't bother to pay for testing will come up with new excuses, i.e., that Enthalapy Labs results aren't accurate.
I remember the excuses so far: Back in 2011/2012, it was about not divulging their recipes. 2 years after that, it was lab tests are too expensive. ($120 per test according to Leidel). Then it was blaming the flavoring manufacturers (even though an eliquid vendor can use any flavoring they wish, including reformulations of flavors to remove AP and DA). There was even some talk that the CUSTOMERS should pay for the testing (not only purchase the ejuice, but pay to have it tested on their own).
Now fast forward to 2015......the newest excuse will be the testing lab is "inaccurate"
What will cause the government you speak of to get involved are the "slacker" vendors who will bring it down on our heads, because they refuse to show accountability and transparency to their customers.
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Personally I think what vapourshark have done is a good thing. There cannot really be a downside to more transparency in my opinion. They have provided information and then left it up to the consumer to decide whether they buy or not.
I vape mainly unflavoured because I prefer it but when I add a couple of drops of flavour I want to know it’s as safe as possible given current research that I have faith in. Dr F seems to be one of the few people doing serious research but that is of course just my opinion. I have absolutely no problem with someone else deciding it doesn’t matter to them or questioning the research.
We are in the UK and have a pub (vape friendly of course) – we have random visits to check the amount of alcohol we dispense is as expected and the strength/ quality is correct (many dilute their beer/ spirits etc.!). I think this is a good thing – we know we buy from reputable sources and we want people to get the correct amount/ strength they are paying for so we have no problem with it. I actually think there should be random testing of e-liquid in much the same way. I think it is right to expect e-juice sellers to know what is in their products and to share it with the consumer so they can then make an informed choice as to whether they buy it or not - particularly when something has been identified as having possible long term heath implications. If it has proven long term health effects it should be removed (if possible). Premises should also be inspected regularly for cleanliness etc. and e-juice makers should expect similar testing/ checking of their flavour suppliers. These are to me common sense regulations (unlike most of the regulations which will be implemented in the UK in May 2016).
I have no idea about the lab but they have tested products knowing that the results will be published so must have faith in their work. It seems to me that products can be retested if necessary (I believe that at least one e-juice maker is doing this) and there must be current checks in place to ensure U.S. labs give consistently reliable results? I would imagine they will soon go out of business if they don’t?
I vape mainly unflavoured because I prefer it but when I add a couple of drops of flavour I want to know it’s as safe as possible given current research that I have faith in. Dr F seems to be one of the few people doing serious research but that is of course just my opinion. I have absolutely no problem with someone else deciding it doesn’t matter to them or questioning the research.
We are in the UK and have a pub (vape friendly of course) – we have random visits to check the amount of alcohol we dispense is as expected and the strength/ quality is correct (many dilute their beer/ spirits etc.!). I think this is a good thing – we know we buy from reputable sources and we want people to get the correct amount/ strength they are paying for so we have no problem with it. I actually think there should be random testing of e-liquid in much the same way. I think it is right to expect e-juice sellers to know what is in their products and to share it with the consumer so they can then make an informed choice as to whether they buy it or not - particularly when something has been identified as having possible long term heath implications. If it has proven long term health effects it should be removed (if possible). Premises should also be inspected regularly for cleanliness etc. and e-juice makers should expect similar testing/ checking of their flavour suppliers. These are to me common sense regulations (unlike most of the regulations which will be implemented in the UK in May 2016).
I have no idea about the lab but they have tested products knowing that the results will be published so must have faith in their work. It seems to me that products can be retested if necessary (I believe that at least one e-juice maker is doing this) and there must be current checks in place to ensure U.S. labs give consistently reliable results? I would imagine they will soon go out of business if they don’t?
I hope you never walk out of your front door or drive/ride in a car then. Because being killed in an accident is technically an avoidable risk yet Im certain you still do it. People need to try and not be such naive hypocrites. We all partake in health risks that are avoidable in our daily lives. Be realistic.
Exactly my point, Nothing is 100% transparent when profits are involved. The real problem is people want to believe information that is provided to them. Who is not to say that independent lab tests are not "swayed" by lobbyists of sorts?Who is talking about government?
Are you opposed to the goal of "transparency" in the products we pay for by the makers and sellers of eliquid? Because that is what many vapers have been asking for. There are customers who want to avoid ejuice with 1843 ppm of AP in it.
Back in 2014 when Dr. F. tested eliquids and found 70% + contained the contaminants in question that are "avoidable risks", seems like most of the companies did very little, if anything, about it.
Now, somebody ponies up the $$ to have a bunch of liquids tested, and the ones who couldn't bother to pay for testing will come up with new excuses, i.e., that Enthalapy Labs results aren't accurate.
I remember the excuses so far: Back in 2011/2012, it was about not divulging their recipes. 2 years after that, it was lab tests are too expensive. ($120 per test according to Leidel). Then it was blaming the flavoring manufacturers (even though an eliquid vendor can use any flavoring they wish, including reformulations of flavors to remove AP and DA). There was even some talk that the CUSTOMERS should pay for the testing (not only purchase the ejuice, but pay to have it tested on their own).
Now fast forward to 2015......the newest excuse will be the testing lab is "inaccurate"
What will cause the government you speak of to get involved are the "slacker" vendors who will bring it down on our heads, because they refuse to show accountability and transparency to their customers.
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What will cause the government you speak of to get involved are the "slacker" vendors who will bring it down on our heads, because they refuse to show accountability and transparency to their customers.[/QUOTE]
accountability and transparency according to who's standards?
why is it e-juice has to have this microscopic scrutiny as opposed
to aroma therapy which has known proven health risks to people
and there pets. plug in air fresheners any one? candles and incense.
i could go on and on.
aside from one person diacetyl is an industry related problem.
most specifically in the production of microwave popcorn and redcently
2 workers in a coffee roasting plant,whom by the way had only worked
there for about a year.
where are all the other food industry workers? the bakers?,the
cookie makers? the candy makers?
we have been exposed to it as vapers long enough. where
are the vapers?
the government will get involved because we do not know the
difference between actual risk and a potential risk. there is
a difference.
regards
mike
What will cause the government you speak of to get involved are the "slacker" vendors who will bring it down on our heads, because they refuse to show accountability and transparency to their customers.[/QUOTE]
accountability and transparency according to who's standards?
why is it e-juice has to have this microscopic scrutiny as opposed
to aroma therapy which has known proven health risks to people
and there pets. plug in air fresheners any one? candles and incense.
i could go on and on.
aside from one person diacetyl is an industry related problem.
most specifically in the production of microwave popcorn and redcently
2 workers in a coffee roasting plant,whom by the way had only worked
there for about a year.
where are all the other food industry workers? the bakers?,the
cookie makers? the candy makers?
we have been exposed to it as vapers long enough. where
are the vapers?
the government will get involved because we do not know the
difference between actual risk and a potential risk. there is
a difference.
regards
mike
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