Here's an interview with Mike from Vaporshark and Dr. Farsalinos. Mike explains what their reasoning was for doing this and what the vendors reaction has been. Dr. Farsalinos explains what these numbers mean from his point of view :
Diacetyl and Acetyl Propyniol test results of 42 brands of Juice
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you make good points, Mike.
I don't believe that industry testing eliquid qualifies as "microscopic scrutiny".
I do agree that the FDA has us in their crosshairs, and hopefully, 1/2 of what we think they might do won't happen. Certainly, I agree that it is hypocritical.
However, all that information on air fresheners was made available to folks. As a result, I don't use them. I can make a "choice".
I bought peanut butter recently and it was so sweet, then I saw on label high fructose corn syrup was added. I really don't want or need all that extra sugar, so I returned it to the store and read labels to pick out a replacement. I think all the sugar added to everything, and I mean everything, is unnecessary and certainly related to the high obesity and diabetes health crisis that is happening. Bodies were not made to injest that much sugar every day.
All I want is to be able to make that choice with my eliquid.
Many people started smoking very early in their life and when your young you don't think about your health like you do as you grow wiser.
By the time you start to really consider health consequences the addiction is so overpowering you can't quit , there is no doubt real cigs have other extremely addictive substances in them besides nicotine .
These days with vaping you have a choice whether to vape e liquids that do not contain known bad things or e liquid that do contain known bad things , in the past that wasn't the case .
Most would prefer to vape things without the nasties imo, especially since your still getting your nic fix.
I see doctors on TV endorsing all kinds of herbal remedies and giving convincing arguments. what I don't see is peer reviewed studies or evidence that people are getting sick from vaping these flavors."expert witnesses" are used all the time in court and they all have credentials and convincing arguments. what they don't have is controlled studies,body counts or solid scientific evidence to support these claims.most people do not have the time or inclination to educate themselves or the training needed to understand and interpret data and are easily mislead.BT and BP are putting out a lot of propaganda and too many people believe it and continue to smoke because "vaping is dangerous". you can avoid a lot of risk by locking yourself in your room and staying in bed but thats not much of a life.please show me the peer reviewed studies, controlled clinical studies. or body count. without these opinions mean nothing.even the FDA only has anecdotal evidence that they solicit and accept from anyone. I am tempted to submit a claim that vaping caused me to get pregnant to see if they would list male pregnancy as one of the potential risk from vaping LMAO
that's fair enough. buy from a vendor that does his own testing.
i don't see the potential risk if any is worth worrying about.
i might also ad there has been more and more of this i
tested your juice and look what i found stuff going around.
i find this suspect to begin with. my impression is vendors
are noticing how suicide bunny was raked over the coals.
then there was that tester in France that turned out to
be owned by a juice maker.
vapersharks tests are most disturbing as some of the results
showed concentrations 1000 to 2000 times the amount deemed
safe. i am not aware of results in the past being that high.
above the limit yes but not any where near some of these results.
why do they need to be that high if not necessary in the past?
i also wonder if someone crossed referenced all the vendors tested
to see if company size and financial clout was inversely proportional
to the test results.
there is at least as of yesterday one vendor disputing vapersharks
claims as they test themselves.
regards
mike
that's fair enough. buy from a vendor that does his own testing.
there is at least as of yesterday one vendor disputing vapersharks
claims as they test themselves.
regards
mike
Yes, but many more have said that they are either in the process of reformulating their juice or will do so now if their own tests confirm the numbers. One other vendor claimed that the liquid Vaporshark tested was from an old batch and that they knew about the high results and have already reformulated.
As to the size of the vendors, Space Jam, Cuttwood and Cosmic Fog are likely all in the top 10 best selling brands. One came out clean, the other two not so much.
As to why their own juices came clean, it's because they reformulated them in early 2014 and kept on testing and retesting until they were ND levels ( at least according to what he said in the interview ).
good for them.if they feel its necessary why not.
will it stop the FDA. no.
the FDA is writing the regulations right now.
any considerations came to an end after
the comment period ended concerning the
proposed deeming regulations last year.
there are no ongoing negotiations there have
never been any.
the FDA does not care if the industry regulates itself or
not as they have deemed themselves the only ones
to do so.
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mike
good for them.if they feel its necessary why not.
will it stop the FDA. no.
the FDA is writing the regulations right now.
any considerations came to an end after
the comment period ended concerning the
proposed deeming regulations last year.
there are no ongoing negotiations there have
never been any.
the FDA does not care if the industry regulates itself or
not as they have deemed themselves the only ones
to do so.
regards
mike
You are just constantly shifting the goal posts. Every time you make a point which is nullified, you come from a different angle. I honestly don't even know what your point of view is ( besides that you don't take the potential risk of diketones seriously ).
I really didn't start this thread to rehash old arguments. Some of us think the potential risks of diketones are serious enough that we aren't willing to knowingly vape them, others don't care. Fair enough ! We are just going around in circles now.
The point of this thread was to provide a reference to those who care.
If you want to argue the validity of these tests and/or Vapor Sharks motivation etc... that is fair and within the realm of the discussion.
But if you want to discuss the potential risk of diketones ( again ! ), i'm kindly asking everyone to start a new thread.
some of us do not think diketones are a problem in the form
of vaping.
if you think its a problem buy from a vendor who tests.
i personally think this vapershark deal is no more than
a well orchestrated marketing campaign. a very good one.
but still marketing and as such should be in the vendors forum.
regards
mike
Whatever else – there does seem to be a consensus that these levels – if correctly measured – are not good. Not one juice maker has come out and said ‘we don’t see a problem with this and will continue to produce our juice as it is complete with diacetyl and / or acetyl propyniol’ - they are all saying it was old stock, they disagree levels are that high etc. As far as I am aware there is currently no legal requirement to remove but does seem to be a universal agreement they should be at the very least limited.
The FDA – alongside the idiots who make it up as they go along in this country will continue to make uninformed decisions. I don’t think that means, as vapers, we should do the same. I absolutely believe vaping is much, much safer than smoking – but I also believe that there are some things we can chose to do (or not) that may make it much, much, much safer. We do need information to make informed choices.
The FDA – alongside the idiots who make it up as they go along in this country will continue to make uninformed decisions. I don’t think that means, as vapers, we should do the same. I absolutely believe vaping is much, much safer than smoking – but I also believe that there are some things we can chose to do (or not) that may make it much, much, much safer. We do need information to make informed choices.
I agree with everything wrote except that the FDA is making uninformed decisions. I can see the point of view that we don't need FDA involvement, but if they were making an uninformed decision, they would not have taken this long. They are spending $ 270 million dollars sponsoring all-encompassing studies at eight top universities, covering everything from efficacy to safety.
Yes sorry - I'm not clear exactly what the FDA are doing - but in the UK they are definitely making uninformed decisions. and they are also idiots 
there is no concenses. the only reason the vendors are complying
is they are afraid of getting Suicide Bunnyed.
regards
mike
these studies have nothing to do with the current pending regulations.
mike
Suicide Bunny had always claimed their liquid is diketone free. Then there were 3 separate tests indicating otherwise. A vendor like Nicoticket or Atty Lube ( these are the ones i know ) openly divulge the fact that they have A P in their juice. There's a difference.
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My feelings exactly. I have a hard time believing a juice maker showing test results of no trace of ap or dt in any of their juice.
Three test from three separate labs in two continents vs. SB tests dated after the publicity. If it's true that they had already tested their juice as they claimed, why did they not release those as they had promised ? I know which results i believe. Others can make up their mind as well.
The tests don't say no trace, they say ND which means lower than the detection limit of 5 ug per ml.
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