Did I commit a sin?

[Elantis]

When I purchased my first two ProVari's fairly close to each other I also purchased 4 each 18350 & 18490 AW's, but then later I also purchased some Efest for other mods.

Now with 5 ProVari's there are many times I use the Efests until the AW's are charged and have found the Efests don't last nearly as long.

 

[CrimsonJack]

I have a couple Efests knocking around that were included with mod purchases or whatnot. I've the same experience as others here have stated: they work, but not for as long as the AWs. I keep 'em in the vape bag as emergency backups.

 

[inanitydefined]

Useless how? Been using their 1600 mah 30 amp for months at .4-.7 I still have a face and they never get warm last for a good amount of time as well. I personally won't buy their Barney batteries but several people have had good luck with those as well. Is there a reason for this opinion? Real question not flaming or trolling at all that is not in my nature so if it sounds like that I by no means mean it to.

All my efest batteries are newer last two months I have purchased them.

Efest lies The great 30A shootout Sony US18650VTC3 vs Efest 30A
Its worth spending the extra $1-2 for good batteries. My quad coil steam turbine is .24 right now. I won't trust anything but a Sony VTC for those power levels.

 

[MonsterKenny]

I don't use anything but AW in my provari's and that is what we recommend because AW is high drain and works best with our chip. As for sub ohm vaping, sony's all the way

Ken

 

[EvilZoe]

yeah, but the Panasonic ncr18650pf is a much better battery and so is the sony vct family. both can be had button top
edit: efest are useless, wont find them in my mods

I've got both (not the efests) and the Panasonics and AWs give me the same performance.

Most of my batteries for the ProVaris are the AWs, though.

 

[inanitydefined]

I've got both (not the efests) and the Panasonics and AWs give me the same performance.

Most of my batteries for the ProVaris are the AWs, though.

that's because the AW are Panasonic, the 2000mah AW are just cgr18650ch with a different wrapper. the ncr18650pf is an updated version of that battery, 2900mah instead of 2200mah

 

[KY_Rob]

I recently tried my first mechanicals. Over the course of about a week, I severely discharged 3 batteries (yeah, I know. I was learning ok? Took them to 2.8v). Two of them were efest 18650. 1 was an AW 18650. Neither efest would take a charge again. The AW is back in my Provari rotation. The mechanicals got new homes, and the efest batteries got disposed of. Lesson learned for me.

 

[PLANofMAN]

that's because the AW are Panasonic, the 2000mah AW are just cgr18650ch with a different wrapper. the ncr18650pf is an updated version of that battery, 2900mah instead of 2200mah

Yeah, that is one of the batteries that AW uses, might even be the only brand he uses these days, but they are not just rebranded batteries. AW tests all his batteries. Those that pass the tests get the re-wrap and sticker. The batteries that don't pass get resold to other companies. It's one reason why new AW batteries usually come with 75%-80% charge still in them.

 

[Baditude]

that's because the AW are Panasonic, the 2000mah AW are just cgr18650ch with a different wrapper. the ncr18650pf is an updated version of that battery, 2900mah instead of 2200mah

This has been the popular rumor (AW 18650 2ooo mAh IMR is a rewrapped Panasonic cgr18650ch 2200 mAh). However, how do you explain the AW 18490 and 18350 IMR batteries? Panasonic does not make IMR batteries in that size.

I have no doubt that the AW protected ICR (black & silver wraps) could be Panasonics. They say, "Made in China, cell and IC made in Japan". However, all the AW IMR batteries say only, "Made in China." Andy Wan isn't saying who makes them. If anyone can shed more light on this please show me some facts.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Never said Efest is not safe for the Precious. Just saying that Provape strongly recommends using only AW IMR's, enough that they say so multiple times.

Provape once offered Trustfire protected ICR batteries for the mechanical Provape-1 until I asked the tech engineers why, when it is common wisdom that IMR batteries are recommended for all mods over ICR batteries now. Provape responded that at one time the Trustfire protected ICR batteries were one of the few options available at that time, but with recent battery testing Provape decided to faze them out in favor of the AW IMR batteries now offered on the website. Provape responds to modern technology.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...vape-about-protected-trustfire-batteries.html

I have to admit to some personal bias againt Efest batteries. I have used both AW and Efest batteries side by side in rotation with each other, and have had much better success with AW. So much disappointment with Efest that they have been delegated to a dark corner in a drawer. Just my



Panasonic, Sanyo, Sony, and Samsung batteries are all made in Japan. AW protected ICR batteries say they are "Made in China, cells and IC made in Japan" (re-wrapped Panasonics?). AW IMR's say, "Made in China." No Japanese battery manufacturers make a 18490 or 18350 size IMR battery, so who is making the AW IMR's? No one knows, and Andrew Wan ain't saying.

You say this often but when is the last time ProVape actually took the time to update their site.

When it comes to batteries the focus seems to be on the one they tested the ProVari on so very long ago negating the fact that there are other great batteries that have come along well after the ProVari wad introduced.

Sent from a BIG phone.....Galaxy Note 3

 

[PLANofMAN]

This has been the popular rumor (AW 18650 2ooo mAh IMR is a rewrapped Panasonic cgr18650ch 2200 mAh). However, how do you explain the AW 18490 and 18350 IMR batteries? Panasonic does not make IMR batteries in that size.

I have no doubt that the AW protected ICR (black & silver wraps) could be Panasonics. They say, "Made in China, cell and IC made in Japan". However, all the AW IMR batteries say only, "Made in China." Andy Wan isn't saying who makes them. If anyone can shed more light on this please show me some facts.

I found the following earlier today...seems fairly legit.

"The CELLS are produced by the big companies. The batteries are USUALLY assembled in China and distributed from there. This is why other companies will have their label over a certain kind of battery. I have a pair of Keeppower 18650's that are 2900mAh Panasonic NCR18650PD's. Standard practice in the battery world..."

and

"The 18xxx, 26xx, 14xxx, etc series batteries aren't listed on most of the manufacturers sites because they are not consumer products. Sony never intended for these to go directly to consumers. They are intended as OEM products to be placed in battery packs with a protection circuit. So usually they will not put their branding on these products as they are meant to go into another companies product.

The Sony batteries are made by their subsidiary Sony Energy Devices. The website used to list product sheets and info about their batteries but no longer does :S

Panasonic will list the battery info on their site (https://industrial.panasonic.com/www-ctlg/ctlg/qACA4000_WW.html), and more information through their distributors, like Orbtronic.

A lot of the resellers will relabel the batteries with the Sony or Panasonic logos, add protection circuits, or add nipples. This unfortunately adds to a lot of the confusion about the batteries."

 

[magman007]

Just wait until Elon Musk builds his gigafactory, in which he plans to make imr 18650s. If they're half as good as his other products, and they're not all slated for vehicle production it will be one hell of a good battery.

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