Disaster strikes with my new GLV2... pics included..
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It looks like an awesome device. Well built. Heard nothing but great things about Jay, and the device. However, he definitely needs proper disclosure. He should also replace the device, and cross his fingers this guy isnt married to an attorney. Now, if he has this disclosure, my apologies.
I am thinking something like a big red sticker inside the battery compartment that says "Stop! Use only protected batteries"
I am thinking something like a big red sticker inside the battery compartment that says "Stop! Use only protected batteries"
No, I think I'm stating my opinion and that's it. I don't have a GLV and don't care about GLV. I know I can come across harsh, but I don't care to sugar coat things. I had no idea it would escalate and have multiple people come at me.
Last time I checked, I was allowed to have an opinion.
I don't deal well with people that take zero responsibility for their actions.
If you buy something that doesn't have directions, or any real info... wouldn't you ask a question or 2? I know i would.
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I think this is a good warning for consumers as well as vendors. We all have a responsibility to be informed buyers, but our vendors need to remember that they are running a business. As a business owner you have a responsibility to your customers to provide safety information.
This industry has grown very quickly and enthusiasts want to sell the latest, greatest...forgetting that not everyone knows chemistry, physics, electronics, etc.
I have to agree that a simple statement on a sellers website stating *use of unprotected batts is not advised, and could result in explosion* would be in both the seller AND the buyer's best interest.
It's easy to argue semantics but it doesn't accomplish anything. How many vapers bother to ask their juice vendors if every ingredient in their juice is USP and FDA approved consumable?
This industry has grown very quickly and enthusiasts want to sell the latest, greatest...forgetting that not everyone knows chemistry, physics, electronics, etc.
I have to agree that a simple statement on a sellers website stating *use of unprotected batts is not advised, and could result in explosion* would be in both the seller AND the buyer's best interest.
It's easy to argue semantics but it doesn't accomplish anything. How many vapers bother to ask their juice vendors if every ingredient in their juice is USP and FDA approved consumable?
It doesn't matter if it's a e-cig or a whatzitwhoesit. If there is some simple precaution like DO NOT USE UNPROTECTED BATTS OR IT MAY EXPLODE. Why would you be opposed to that being mentioned by the supplier? It is an extremely simple concept. And a very easy mistake. The supplier SHOULD NOT reley on the buyer to conduct their own research to prevent an explosion if they use a required item that needs to be a specific type. I really don't understand your devotion to the supplier getting in the way of what I and others see as common sense type warning. Any electrical device sold, should either be dummy proof(not calling the OP a dummy), or have instructions for safe use, especially when a simple mistake could be made like buying the same size, same function, same mAh and same volt batts that could explode if they are unprotected.
I have lived for well over 60 years - and before I started reading about mods I never even knew there were 'protected' and 'unprotected' batteries - and I don't believe most people are any more educated then me on the subject.
There are people on this thread that are saying that these mods are for "advanced" users - not for beginners. If you believe this so strongly then where are you when a nubie ask what pv to buy and all the mods lovers are recommending this mod or that and saying not to waste their time on a cig looking pv why arent you jumping in and warning these people that these are for advanced users anyway. If they are only for advanced users then the site should refuse to sale to nubies.
I was looking at a site for a mod yesterday (I believe it was the buzz) where they said no need to buy protected batteries - protection was built in. If some sites are telling people not to buy protected batteries - how can you say that everyone should know you only should use protected batteries?
If these PV are sold to the public at large and they need protective batteries and if the site does not provide significant warnings that they must only be used with protective batteries. both on the site and in instructions included with the mod. Then they are liable. And if this person goes blind they will find themselves criminally liable.
Plus it will be great ammunition for the FDA in thee quest to outlaw pvs -
There are people on this thread that are saying that these mods are for "advanced" users - not for beginners. If you believe this so strongly then where are you when a nubie ask what pv to buy and all the mods lovers are recommending this mod or that and saying not to waste their time on a cig looking pv why arent you jumping in and warning these people that these are for advanced users anyway. If they are only for advanced users then the site should refuse to sale to nubies.
I was looking at a site for a mod yesterday (I believe it was the buzz) where they said no need to buy protected batteries - protection was built in. If some sites are telling people not to buy protected batteries - how can you say that everyone should know you only should use protected batteries?
If these PV are sold to the public at large and they need protective batteries and if the site does not provide significant warnings that they must only be used with protective batteries. both on the site and in instructions included with the mod. Then they are liable. And if this person goes blind they will find themselves criminally liable.
Plus it will be great ammunition for the FDA in thee quest to outlaw pvs -
I just want OP to take some responsibility , thats it.
i would like to hear from GLV owners to see what kind of info they received. I'm curious if they all just figured things out on their own.
Thats just nuts, lucky you didn't have bigger problems.
Bashing this person is crazy.
I bought my first 510 because it was all over this site. I ordered a Copper the same day because Grimmgreen reviewed it and i bought one. It uses 2 unprotected batts for 6 volt vaping. Why would I care I just wanted the "real thing", was I supposed to study this before buying it? I bought it because its for sale, period.
With out definition "experienced" is ill-defined.
Its the manufacturers responsibility to inform you the customer that it can and will blow up if you use it wrong, period.
No joke folks, you know what happens when people get hurt using a product that they purchased.
Shark chum frenzy happens.
Bashing this person is crazy.
I bought my first 510 because it was all over this site. I ordered a Copper the same day because Grimmgreen reviewed it and i bought one. It uses 2 unprotected batts for 6 volt vaping. Why would I care I just wanted the "real thing", was I supposed to study this before buying it? I bought it because its for sale, period.
With out definition "experienced" is ill-defined.
Its the manufacturers responsibility to inform you the customer that it can and will blow up if you use it wrong, period.
No joke folks, you know what happens when people get hurt using a product that they purchased.
Shark chum frenzy happens.
He was given directions, from the manufacturer. To use CR123 batts. If he did not specify PROTECTED batts. The supplier is 100% to blame. If there was a miscomunication, it is still primarily the suppliers fault because he gives no warnings about a VERY serious problem. How can that not make sense to you?
As a seller these days you have to assume the buyer has a IQ of a rock. You have to protect your .... so to speak with disclaimers. Might even want to add one saying do not use while wet or underwater. Just a matter of time before someone takes one in the bath tub with them and tries to use it all wet and it blows up.
From what I read, OP looked at the charger to find out what kind of batts.
Well I'm a GLV owner and I knew about protected batteries before I bought. That aside- there needs to be documentation on the GLV site about appropriate batteries (if it's not there already I haven't looked).
However, at the same time, this customer looked at the charger manual, and bought any cr123 he could find because his batteries hadn't shipped from GLV. The battery he bought was suitable to the charger- but not to his GLV2. GLV as a company was supplying the appropriate batteries but was out of stock.
From my standpoint this looks like a draw. GLV should list appropriate batteries. And the customer should not have gone out and bought a retail battery for the mod.
Draw.
Every thing he did was understandable.
Absolutely every thing.
He got his new toy, he wanted to use it. He got the correct numbered battery, and it went boom?
Here come the sharks/chum/chum/chum/chum.
Absolutely every thing.
He got his new toy, he wanted to use it. He got the correct numbered battery, and it went boom?
Here come the sharks/chum/chum/chum/chum.
Still the sellers responsability as the buyer PAID for batts that he did not get, and was given NO information on what type to get to replace the ones he was not sent.
Personally i could see myself doing the same thing as the OP if i didn't already know better. Cr123 batteries i would have slapped some in it. Protected or unprotected you cant expect the average person to know better. Bert maybe you can lobby the schools and get a li-po 101 class mandatory for all kids.
Well.. did he ask the seller what the appropriate batteries were?
That seems to be the hinging point to me.
Inhaled vapors from battery!!!
This happened a few years ago but should still be read, links are on last post.
Read this one too
(CR123 Explosion during use, firsthand account)
The fumes are extremely toxic!! Serious stuff!
This happened a few years ago but should still be read, links are on last post.
Read this one too
(CR123 Explosion during use, firsthand account)
The fumes are extremely toxic!! Serious stuff!
If something is dangerous to use without a customer vetting process, should it be available to purchase by going through facebook and google? People who have absolutely no clue will buy these mods, having no knowledge of the learning curve.
He did ask questions about the batteries here on ECF:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/125299need-batteries-glv2.html#post1949146
Maybe him asking if he could find them at wal-mart was a clue?
I guess he eventually found some batteries and they weren't working right because he made another post about it and got four replies, none of which pointed out that he needed protected batteries:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/126472-what-best-cr123-battery-glv2.html#post1972145
Doing a search on "GLV2 Batteries" and nothing pops up that points the EFC user to protected batteries. If EFC is the safety net for educating the customer, it failed in this case. An instruction to use the right batteries is not an unreasonable expectation.
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BTW, OP I have lawyers in the family(the do property legal work though), and I have had conversations w/ them about legal issues. I can safely say, that unless proper OBVIOUS warnings are given that ONLY a specific type of battery should be used or BOOM, that the seller is guilty of gross neglegance. It is fairly cut and dry from a legal standpoint. I really don't see how anyone can justify the simple problem of exclusion of a basic safety concern. My PV manuals even usually say, do noy use while driving, just as a precaution. But BOOM is another story all together.
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