IMO the FA flavors change dramatically with steep time so I always have to mix and then wait about a week to see which I like.
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I like this idea of cutting to the chase. I've been mixing things in small 2ish ml batches, but one batch at a time instead of 3 or 4, so when I work on a juice I only get to mess with one version at a time...kind of pigeon holing myself.
The PA Bavarian Cream might be good to give it that creamy, full flavor. I love that stuff. It may add some of what the custard is missing?
Do the creamier caramels, like the dulce de leche, have anything bad in them? Or was it just the creamy/buttery cream flavors? (used the word to describe the word lol)
No. Diacetyl is associated with custard notes. If you are ever in doubt, look at the PA or the FA website. They clearly state which flavors contain diacetyl or acetoin.
This is what PA says about their Vanilla Custard
Vanilla Custard Flavor
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a rich, buttery custard flavor. stronger than our bavarian cream (which has no "Custard" Notes).
*** contains both "Custard" ingredients (acetoin and acetyl propionyl) -
Please see our information section on these ingredients in the Flavorist Corner (lower left of the screen)
****** This flavor should only be used in Food and Cosmetic applications.
****** This flavor (no matter what company makes it) has inhalation risks if it contains either Acetoin or Acetyl Propionyl!
Ingredients: Natural & Artificial Flavors, Propylene Glycol, a small amount of Ethyl Alcohol
Vanilla Custard Flavor
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a rich, buttery custard flavor. stronger than our bavarian cream (which has no "Custard" Notes).
*** contains both "Custard" ingredients (acetoin and acetyl propionyl) -
Please see our information section on these ingredients in the Flavorist Corner (lower left of the screen)
****** This flavor should only be used in Food and Cosmetic applications.
****** This flavor (no matter what company makes it) has inhalation risks if it contains either Acetoin or Acetyl Propionyl!
Ingredients: Natural & Artificial Flavors, Propylene Glycol, a small amount of Ethyl Alcohol
This is the Dulce De Leche
Dulce de Leche Flavor
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Dulce de Leche means "Milk Sweet" or "Sweet from Milk" in Spanish, and is a
very popular treat for ice cream or crepes. If you've ever tasted Dulce de Leche ice
cream (Haagen Daaz) you'll understand why this flavor is so popular.
Ingredients: Natural & Artificial Flavors, Propylene Glycol, Lactic Acid, Vanilla Extract
Dulce de Leche Flavor
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Dulce de Leche means "Milk Sweet" or "Sweet from Milk" in Spanish, and is a
very popular treat for ice cream or crepes. If you've ever tasted Dulce de Leche ice
cream (Haagen Daaz) you'll understand why this flavor is so popular.
Ingredients: Natural & Artificial Flavors, Propylene Glycol, Lactic Acid, Vanilla Extract
I think that ecigexpress is pretty good about listing it if the flavors contain diacetyl too. If they are aware of it.
Well that's good, until just recently I hadn't worried about these things at all, ignorance and all. I need to get out of here, need to wake up for work in 5 hours...
This may interest you too. taken from the PA site
Any time you have a flavor that has a vanilla-custardy type note to it, it will have one or both of acetyl propionyl and acetoin. There is also the possibility that there will be Diacetyl as an added ingredient, (the flavor manufacturing company that we purchase our flavors from is restricted by their insurance from using Diacetyl as an ingredient, because of employee environmental health issues, but this is not true of all flavor manufacturing companies).
The flavor notes of diacetyl, acetyl propionyl and acetoin are rather obvious, and once a person learns how to recognize them, they are easy to spot. Just like once you know what cinnamon tastes like, you can usually tell if a cocoa recipe has cinnamon in it just by taste!
Our vanilla custard is a good example. Pretty much by definition, a vanilla custard flavor, no matter who makes it, will have both acetoin and acetyl propionyl (or diacetyl) in it. Just like it would be hard to bake a cinnamon cookie with no cinnamon, it would be really hard (pretty much impossible) to create a vanilla custard flavor with no acetoin or acetyl propionyl (or diacetyl).
If you would like to learn a bit how to tell the differences, you can compare our Vanilla Custard (which has both acetoin and acetyl propionyl), with our Vanilla Bean Ice Cream. The Vanilla Bean Ice cream does not have any acetoin in it, but otherwise is the same flavor as the Vanilla Custard. So by tasting the two, you can learn to taste the difference between them and learn what acetoin 'brings to the party'. I like to experiment by tasting flavors in Cool Whip. This is a good way to learn about ingredients. Remember that both Acetoin and Acetyl Propionyl are perfectly safe for food-use, so there is absolutely no problem at all with tasting these flavors in Cool Whip or water or any other food.
Then you can taste our original French Vanilla Flavor, which has neither acetoin nor acetyl propionyl, and compare with our French Vanilla Deluxe, or the Vanilla Beach Ice Cream, or the Vanilla Custard, which has them. You can see how the flavors are different.
By learning how to recognize these flavor components, you will be more able to recognize them in flavors by other manufacturers too!
Sometimes only a little bit of these "custardy" notes are added, just as a subtle nuance. For example our waffle has a little bit, but not nearly as much as the Vanilla Custard.
So to help people, we are marking the main flavors that we know contain these two ingredients, so that if you choose you can avoid them altogether!
Unfortunately, we might not know of all the flavors that may contain tiny "trace" amounts, but we marked them as best we know.
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Any time you have a flavor that has a vanilla-custardy type note to it, it will have one or both of acetyl propionyl and acetoin. There is also the possibility that there will be Diacetyl as an added ingredient, (the flavor manufacturing company that we purchase our flavors from is restricted by their insurance from using Diacetyl as an ingredient, because of employee environmental health issues, but this is not true of all flavor manufacturing companies).
The flavor notes of diacetyl, acetyl propionyl and acetoin are rather obvious, and once a person learns how to recognize them, they are easy to spot. Just like once you know what cinnamon tastes like, you can usually tell if a cocoa recipe has cinnamon in it just by taste!
Our vanilla custard is a good example. Pretty much by definition, a vanilla custard flavor, no matter who makes it, will have both acetoin and acetyl propionyl (or diacetyl) in it. Just like it would be hard to bake a cinnamon cookie with no cinnamon, it would be really hard (pretty much impossible) to create a vanilla custard flavor with no acetoin or acetyl propionyl (or diacetyl).
If you would like to learn a bit how to tell the differences, you can compare our Vanilla Custard (which has both acetoin and acetyl propionyl), with our Vanilla Bean Ice Cream. The Vanilla Bean Ice cream does not have any acetoin in it, but otherwise is the same flavor as the Vanilla Custard. So by tasting the two, you can learn to taste the difference between them and learn what acetoin 'brings to the party'. I like to experiment by tasting flavors in Cool Whip. This is a good way to learn about ingredients. Remember that both Acetoin and Acetyl Propionyl are perfectly safe for food-use, so there is absolutely no problem at all with tasting these flavors in Cool Whip or water or any other food.
Then you can taste our original French Vanilla Flavor, which has neither acetoin nor acetyl propionyl, and compare with our French Vanilla Deluxe, or the Vanilla Beach Ice Cream, or the Vanilla Custard, which has them. You can see how the flavors are different.
By learning how to recognize these flavor components, you will be more able to recognize them in flavors by other manufacturers too!
Sometimes only a little bit of these "custardy" notes are added, just as a subtle nuance. For example our waffle has a little bit, but not nearly as much as the Vanilla Custard.
So to help people, we are marking the main flavors that we know contain these two ingredients, so that if you choose you can avoid them altogether!
Unfortunately, we might not know of all the flavors that may contain tiny "trace" amounts, but we marked them as best we know.
The Flavor Apprentice - (831) 704 7342 - Email
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Cigarettes contain diacetyl lol The amount in our juice after being diluted does not overly concern me
Good night.
BTW- Vanilla Bean Ice Cream is a very good substitute for the Vanilla Custard. I use a lot of it and it is to die for mixed with some Dulce de Leche
Wow! I missed out on the discussion. So what is the bottom line with atty safety? I just recently started to use a atty. I don't have any problems with coughing, etc. The throat hit on IkV cannon is very light anyways.
So what is the bottom line with atty safety? I just recently started to use a atty. I don't have any problems with coughing, etc. The throat hit on IkV cannon is very light anyways.
Wow! I missed out on the discussion.
It's okay, Sd. You did not miss much. Welders that don't wear their masks when welding for years can get silicosis from breathing in tons of silica but having silica for a wick in an atty does not compare to that IMO
I only get a sore throat if i use my Cisco LR 306s for an entire day. No other atties have given me a raw irritated throat and for all that I know it could be the primer in them.
Thanks! I was reading this thread really late/early this morning around 2am. LOLIt's okay, Sd. You did not miss much. Welders that don't wear their masks when welding for years can get silicosis from breathing in tons of silica but having silica for a wick in an atty does not compare to that IMO
I only get a sore throat if i use my Cisco LR 306s for an entire day. No other atties have given me a raw irritated throat and for all that I know it could be the primer in them.
Last I heard about the flavorings they were in customs. Still waiting for a update. (Not that I really need flavors.)
waiting for new flavors!
Maybe we will see them by this weekend
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