DIY Is Great But........

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Maybe the problem is mixing 150 flavors..... Rather than perfecting a few.

It's hard to copy commercial juices. You don't know the recipe or know ALL the ingredients. Sometimes you can't do better sometimes you can. Even then, as with food and cooking. 10 cooks all using the exact same recipe and ingredients will come up with 10 differently tasting dishes. Those commercial juices you can't DIY, you buy..... Thats part of life.
 
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Maybe the problem is mixing 150 flavors..... Rather than perfecting a few.

It's hard to copy commercial juices. You don't know the recipe or know ALL the ingredients. Sometimes you can't do better sometimes you can. Even then, as with food and cooking. 10 cooks all using the exact same recipe and ingredients will come up with 10 differently tasting dishes. Those commercial juices you can't DIY, you buy..... Thats part of life.
+1,000 on this. Since I have started to DIY, I noticed that I cannot clone but only come up with a close version as it all could be within a fraction of the flavor used or 1 key hint of a flavor like for example, you need a hint of kalua and cream that is not mentioned in the description of the flavor. I have blue raspberry that is added in my apple pie juice as to enhance the apple flavor and vice versa, apple added to blue raspberry juice to bring out the flavor of blue raspberry. I would not mention that in the description. Isn't Milk Man like a strawberry custard? If that is what I am thinking of, I have one that is similar to that as one of my friends said. Also, I have one close to Claim your Throne by Suicide Bunny. Don't forget though, taste is subjective. I have not bought ANY commercial juice since I started to DIY and now I can tailor the juice to my own taste preference.
 

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I've mixed and labeled over 150 juices...maybe more. I have test vaped more.

Nothing comes close to commercial juices. The commercial juices I am addicted to. The Milkman, The OB, Tribeca, Churios, most Steam Factory juices.

I just wanted to go on the record.

It depends on how hard you work at it. You need to perfect a mix and not just mix a flavor once and decide it's no good and go on to the next. I vaped halo prime 15 exclusively and then perfected my own clone and recently vaped prime 15 and found I prefer my own far better. SInce then I've come up with many mixes and prefer them all to commercial juice. Those that mix commercial juices started out just like you. The difference is they worked putting a lot of time and effort into perfecting them.
 
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It depends on how hard you work at it. You need to perfect a mix and not just mix a flavor once and decide it's no good and go on to the next. I vaped halo prime 15 exclusively and then perfected my own clone and recently vaped prime 15 and found I prefer my own far better. SInce then I've come up with many mixes and prefer them all to commercial juice. Those that mix commercial juices started out just like you. The difference is they worked putting a lot of time and effort into perfecting them.
So true. Saw an interview a few months back where a well known juice company owner said each flavor undergoes months of perfecting before it is introduced.
 

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I make my own ejuices and only buy one that is similar to the virginia slim 120's that I smoked. I maybe vap it once a month. I find I like my own ejuices better than what I have purchased. I just made a peppermint patty juice that I really liked. I have gone to our local B/M and tried many of their ejuices and realize that no nicotine is in them and that will change the taste, but couldn't find any that really caught my taste buds like my own. It took me quite a while to get to where I am today with my juices. Many went down the drain,lol, and many just got different things added and I vaped them as they ended up tasting different but good. Of course, we all have different taste buds, I find that it is very satisfying to finally make that perfect juice that you will like enough to vap all day..
 
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Well, the vendors started out as diyers too, so you supporting them fine...if I had a juice business, I'd be glad people doing diy liked my mixes enough to still buy on occasion a good thing. I like many of my mixes more, I like the art of mixing and figuring out a mix to suit my tastes..if I'm lazy or trying to get close to cloning something I'll buy on occasion. I just really like the custom modification you can get from diy...I do diy much more than buy, but as most things it's a just a personal choice....ahlusion juices sort of beyond my level of diy...my vendor weakness I suppose
 

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If you can replicate them they are! We shall see.

That's why you should be taking lots of notes on everything you mix. Everything I mix I put right into e-juice me up as I mix and adjust. If it turns out like crap "delete" is a wonderful thing.
 

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That's why you should be taking lots of notes on everything you mix. Everything I mix I put right into e-juice me up as I mix and adjust. If it turns out like crap "delete" is a wonderful thing.

Yup, I've got all the mixes in Juice me up as well. That is one great little piece of software. I print out what I've mixed, date it and put it in my notebook. If I make any changes to the mix, I'll repeat the process. Thanks for the advice. You've given me tons, albeit indirectly, through your other posts I've read. So thanks again!
 
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I Go both ways with juices. I have been DIYing for a bit, tossed hundreds of mixes down the drain, and loved dozens of my own mixes. I'm proud to say that after well three years of tinkering with DIY I have 9 (yeah: 9) juices that rock and cannot find equals...all of them tobaccos.
But I also have 6 commercial juices that I sill buy.
I do not clone because I feel that those juice makers that have helped me stay cigarette free and have got this industry going, and are still fighting for the rights of vapers need my support and business, and not my disregard, and open faced attempts to copy their hard work.
I like and still buy Casablanca from BWB, Dark Horse and Gaia from HHV, Virus from Nickoticket, Shai Hulud from DDV, and Deadly Sin from Good Life Vapors.
Don't get me wrong I have cloned a couple of these juices, but just to see if I could....and I could. But creating my own is so much more fulfilling.

I still mix almost every day, with a couple of breaks here and there. I love the hobby.
In no way am I criticizing cloners, and my opinions are mine alone. I also cloned at one time but my mindset has changed because of the fights we face in the industry. I feel that juice vendors are major players in this fight and that I (again, I speak for myself) am just hurting them by cloning or posting clone recipes online for everyone to see.

'nuff said
 
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