DIY issues.

[ronchinoy]

So I just got my first consignment from wizard labs.
I read all the tips and tricks on various forums. They say start at 1% and keep adding. I finally landed up at about 40%.

I get the feeling that Im trying to drown out the flavor of my VG.

So the question is how does plain VG taste if you vape it. Is it possible that it has zero taste.
Or does it have some taste. ?

 

[Dolly Dagger]

Have you tried letting it steep for the flavors to come out?
It is possible you are trying to drown out something... Why did you go up to 40%, Are the flavors too light or what? 40% would taste horrible because then you are tasting the chemicals and "perfumes". What flavors are you having trouble with?

oops, I almost forgot to answer your question. Different VGs could taste different. I use the one wizard labs sells and I don't have any trouble with it. But if I vape unflavored pg/vg juice it does have a taste. Nothing that can't be easily covered up by flavors.

 

[supermanfun]

Different company has different VG taste man.And i think it is impossible to have zero taste.

 

[ronchinoy]

Hi thanks for your reply looks like are both pretty close I was 3 packs a day for 30 years smoke free from April 9th 2014.
I have to import my stuff. So can only do the nic and some flavors. For my PG I get it from my chemist.
Your right I do need to let it steep. After 24 hours the flavor has changed. Will try at 24/48/76 hours and then put aside a batch for a few weeks.
I basically got every Tobacco flavor he sells. Right now testing RY double and M type premium. And mixing them. i.e. a few drops of RY into the M-Type and few drops of M-Type into the RY. Got 3 types of RY. Because I heard so much about it.

My only exposure to USA made juice was a bottle of Apple Pie I got from MFS that stuff was oozing taste.
Guess I have to let it steep. And guess I have to keep trying different local VG vendors till I get something that has the least taste. Or no taste dont even know if that's possible.

 

[rawr]

I make my own liquid. I buy pharmaceutical pg, vg and neutral nicotine base and some good aromas from flavourart and perfume apprentice, next is capella I make 50:50 mix wit 8mg/ml nic and add about 10% aroma.

Once a day i mix the box with liquid and after 2 weeks they are ready and really delicious! Much cheaper and safer that pre-made juices from vendors!

You cant go wrong with pg, vg and nic base, but aromas are really different from vendor to vendor. I recommend that you buy only reviewed aromas by costumers!

Keep on

 

[coalyard]

ronchinoy, head on over to the DIY section and read all of the stickies first. Then read the blogs, Hoosier and Danny both have a wealth of information about DIY.

To be specific to your issues, 40% flavoring is far too much. Tobacco flavors in particular need to steep to fully develop flavor, although I would taste them right after mixing so you can gauge how long to steep in the future.

I don't mix tobacco flavors, but I would be inclined to do a 10ml test batch starting at 15% flavoring in your base and see how that works.

Good luck, and welcome to ECF!

 

[tazzle]

Yeah, 40% is going to be way too much for any flavouring that I've heard of. To save what you have already made, I'd cut it with 50% more base (nic + pg/vg) so that your flavouring is more like 20%, then set them aside and let them steep -- and it will probably take more than a couple of days... they might need a couple of weeks even. Tobacco fans will be able to tell you more, but I think they do need to steep more than most other flavours.

In the meantime, when ordering flavours, you might want to pick up a couple of fruit flavours because most of the time, they don't require steeping to taste good right away, so you can enjoy immediately while waiting for your other mixes to mature. From personal experience, I'd say Pineapple might be one to try. I'm not even a huge fan of pineapple to eat (I like it fine, but don't crave it, and don't buy it much) -- but I'm crazy about it as a vape. Pineapple and cream is heavenly, to me. Melon is also great (like honeydew melon, not watermelon, though watermelon is nice, too).

Good luck! People who know more about tobacco flavours than I do will surely be along to give you more targeted insight!

 

[TinyTimberGal]

I've mixed a few tobaccos and have never used more than 5%. There's often a fine line between just enough flavor and too much. Tobaccos I would start at 1% and work up after steeping. You can always add more, but too much is nearly impossible to fix.

I'm not sure how long you've been vaping, but you could be experiencing vapors tongue (unable to taste). Try a menthol or mint flavor and switch up your flavors often until your taste buds recover.

 

[dice57]

I mix at 8-14 % flavor extract and 70% VG. Most of my supplies comes from wizards.

I mix all my juices in glass beakers with a glass rod. Usually leave them in the flasks for up to 3 days, and stirring when ever I pass by, brush my teeth, shower...

My average flavor level is probably 10% extract. Depends on the flavor, some flavors like Coffee are really strong and don't need much, red hots and regular cinnamon are quite potent also.

Thorough mixing is the key for faster flavor development. I'll usually let things sit for a day before trying to tweak the flavor. Otherwise, you don't know and could of stuck gold juice, but turned it to mud because of impatience.

Try starting with 8% flavor to start with. Give it a day before messing with it, unless it's really strong in one accent or something. Sometimes when trying a new flavor, it's much more potent than anticipated, and I will dilute it's % and go from there.

When I first started, made 10 ml test batches first, now I make 100 ml test batches, the will expand it up to 400 ml for rock solid ADV recipes. Thorough notes and measurements are a must for the DIY juice guy. I use my kindle papperwhite to record all my recipes and for the batch mix. That way I can take it into the lab with me, and easily edit any changes made. With one juice, have 3 different recipes for it., just different accents.

 

[Nightshard]

With flavor more is less, make small batches of no more then 5% and let it steep.

 

[Dolly Dagger]

Hi thanks for your reply looks like are both pretty close I was 3 packs a day for 30 years smoke free from April 9th 2014.
I have to import my stuff. So can only do the nic and some flavors. For my PG I get it from my chemist.
Your right I do need to let it steep. After 24 hours the flavor has changed. Will try at 24/48/76 hours and then put aside a batch for a few weeks.
I basically got every Tobacco flavor he sells. Right now testing RY double and M type premium. And mixing them. i.e. a few drops of RY into the M-Type and few drops of M-Type into the RY. Got 3 types of RY. Because I heard so much about it.

My only exposure to USA made juice was a bottle of Apple Pie I got from MFS that stuff was oozing taste.
Guess I have to let it steep. And guess I have to keep trying different local VG vendors till I get something that has the least taste. Or no taste dont even know if that's possible.

I do TFA double RY4 at 10-15%, any more for me and it tastes like burnt plastic until it steeps for a long time. I do M-Type at 2%, believe it or not. That is perfect. I love M-Type as an occasional vape but a lot of people hate that flavor. Those both need a Decent steep to properly develop. Weeks, even months, but they will be good to go in a couple weeks and get better over time.
Ry4 Asian is so good at 10%. I have all of the TFA tobacco flavors except English Tobacco, I haven't done them all yet but I've done all the RY4s. Congratulations on your smoke-free achievement!
You should try mixing up a little of your pg and vg and vaping it by itself to see what it tastes like. Just drip a little into a clean RDA or saturate the wicks in a regular old clearo (I use a bottom wicking device for this) to taste it.
Good luck and read up in the DIY section, there is a lot of good info and starting percentages to go off of.

 

[Ryedan]

So I just got my first consignment from wizard labs.
I read all the tips and tricks on various forums. They say start at 1% and keep adding. I finally landed up at about 40%.

I get the feeling that Im trying to drown out the flavor of my VG.

So the question is how does plain VG taste if you vape it. Is it possible that it has zero taste.
Or does it have some taste. ?

IMO, something is wrong. I've never gone over 15% with any flavoring and when I do it's usually the combination of several flavors that gets me into that range for total flavoring content.

Read Hoosier's blogs on mixing DIY here. He knows what he's talking about. If it wasn't for those blogs it would have taken me a lot longer to figure things out for myself

 

[abpigdoc]

My first DIY was tobacco, and I wondered if it would ever be any good. Flavored at 13%, with VZ (Vapor Zone) Dunhill 11% and Seedmans English at 2%. After a month, pretty good. A tip for you, add 2% apple cider vinegar for a more realistic tobacco flavor. I vape a ton of flavors, but my wife only sucks up the tobaccos. I make 250ml at a time to keep it properly steeped--and ahead of her needs!

 

[The Ministry]

Moved the thread over here - helpful info here, hope you find that perfect blend

TM

 

[Heabob]

All good tips here.

To just add, some tobacco's take a month to taste proper.

And vary from 1% to ?, usually darker colored tobacco flavorings are stronger.

If you just quit analogs recently, your taste buds will take some time to recover.

 

[dannyv45]

Hi thanks for your reply looks like are both pretty close I was 3 packs a day for 30 years smoke free from April 9th 2014.
I have to import my stuff. So can only do the nic and some flavors. For my PG I get it from my chemist.
Your right I do need to let it steep. After 24 hours the flavor has changed. Will try at 24/48/76 hours and then put aside a batch for a few weeks.
I basically got every Tobacco flavor he sells. Right now testing RY double and M type premium. And mixing them. i.e. a few drops of RY into the M-Type and few drops of M-Type into the RY. Got 3 types of RY. Because I heard so much about it.

My only exposure to USA made juice was a bottle of Apple Pie I got from MFS that stuff was oozing taste.
Guess I have to let it steep. And guess I have to keep trying different local VG vendors till I get something that has the least taste. Or no taste dont even know if that's possible.

Congratulations on quitting smoking I've been smoke free for over a year. It's a bit tricky at first learning to vape and make your own mixes. Your taste is off because of smoking and your taste buds need time to recover so this could be part of the problem. You should mix up a flavorless base of just VG/PG/NIC in your desired concentration which for you is likely 24mg/ml. Vape that with no flavoring so you have an idea on what you will be tasting when you do add flavor. Then always start at the lowest recommended percentage for that flavor and expecially with tobacco mixes you need to let them steep. There are many methods to steep and I'll give you some reading to do at the end. Always use good flavoring that's easy to mix when starting out, I recommend inawera or hangsen.

www.buyhangsen.com
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You may also find some venders in europe.

Here is some recommended reading.

Read my blogs before getting started

E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs

then read hoosier's blogs.

E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

then read the stickies at the top of the page.

this will explain a lot of the how's and why's.

 

[csardaz]

buyhangsen.org link doesn't work - theres a buyhangsen.com that shows up in searches - could you check if its the right place?

edit - perhaps not - this site seems to confuse flavor concentrate with ejuice - 5ml bottles of concentrate?? that then say - ready to vape right out of the bottle - with no Nic levels or juice mix stuff. But maybe its the right place? getting hard to tell the legitimate-but badly translated sites from the counterfeits.

 

[dannyv45]

buyhangsen.org link doesn't work - theres a buyhangsen.com that shows up in searches - could you check if its the right place?

edit - perhaps not - this site seems to confuse flavor concentrate with ejuice - 5ml bottles of concentrate?? that then say - ready to vape right out of the bottle - with no Nic levels or juice mix stuff. But maybe its the right place? getting hard to tell the legitimate-but badly translated sites from the counterfeits.

Sorry about that I fixed the link. Buyhangsen.com is correct. There flavor juices are 0mg nic but are juices ment for trying before buying the flavor concentrates. The juices are 5ml bottles and the flavoring concentrates are 10ml bottles. you want the 10ml bottles. Some concentrates also come in 50ml bottles. but there's not a huge selection of those right now. steve at buyhangsen is monitoring which concentrates sell the best then will decide by popularity which concentrates to stock in larger 50ml sizes. If you don't see a flavor you want drop them an e-mail. There new and looking for feedback. I've been buying a lot from them and talking with them frequently and there product and service is fantastic.

So to recap if you want there 0mg 5ml e-juice look under e-liquid. If you want there 10ml and 50ml flavoring concentrates look under flavoring.

 

[rowdyplace]

My simple KISS rule of thumb for small batches:

Start with a small (5 mL) bottle.

Adding 19 drops of your vg/pg/nic base and 1 drop of flavoring (20 drops of the same size) gives you a 5% mix.
18 and 2 is 10%
17 and 3 is 15%


You can start with 39 drops and... You get the picture.

Once you get something you like, you can experiment from there.

Good luck and have fun!

 

[DetraMental]

I never go over 10% on any one flavor of TFA. That seems to be as much as is needed to get the flavor at it's strongest. Capella, FW, FA, and Signature I can do 15%-20% on any one flavor to get it's strongest flavor. If mixing several flavors I find out which I want as my strongest and mix the other's according to what properties I am looking to give my main flavor. Here's a recipe I use, all TFA flavors:

RY4 Double @ 10%
Tobacco @ 7.5%
Caramel (Original) @ 2.5%

It taste pretty good right after mixing but steeps well.