DIY Juice Help

[Nado]

Hi all. I bought two juices along with the new ecig I picked up on Monday and i'm not really liking either. The Menthol tobacco is way too minty for my taste and there is something about the aftertaste of the American Red tobacco that I really don't like. I have tried all sorts of fruity and drink based flavors from friends and I didn't really like those either. On the plus side both juices I bought are 18mg which I found to be too strong so i'm thinking I can use these juices as my nicotine base and just add some VG and maybe a bit of flavor to them.

First off I would like to ask if the ingredients I was able to get my hands on are the right ones. I checked Sobeys, WalMart and Shoppers Drug Mart and Shoppers Drug Mart was the only location that I was able to find VG (i'm hoping that I do have the right product there) and sobeys and WalMart were both able to order PG so I placed an order with Sobeys for the PG. (I live in Ontario by the way)

Here is a picture of what I hope is VG or at least a product that will work. It is just called Glycerin USP and does not list any ingredients or its purity.




And here is a picture of the flavor extracts I was able to find. Club House was the only available brand with the Pure Almond Extract being the flavoring with the least ingredients.



Ingredients:

Almond: Propylene Glycol, Water, Oil of Bitter Almond

Orange: Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Orange Oil, Color (contains tartrazine)

Banana: Water, Proplylene Glycol, Alcohol, Artificial Flavor, Color (contains tartrazine)

Also I would be vaping this using the Innokin Itaste VV V3 using the iclear 16 clearomizers

Thanks, Eric

 

[DetraMental]

Yes you can use your 18mg juice as the base and add flavor to it. It'll have the original flavors mingling in with the new flavors but I'm sure you'll come up with something unique by adding your new flavors to them. Good luck and Happy vaping

 

[Nado]

thanks, do you know if the products that I bought are the right ones?

 

[AmandaD]

I thought you couldn't use flavorings with oil? Someone else will chime in on this one!

 

[williebb123]

im not familiar with the brands you have some people have said the store bought flavs are weak but some are ok (all in the same brand) will just have to try them out i used to get ejuice with a shot of extra flavor and the add 10-15ml of vg to make them last longer as far as the oil i have used both but they say they are not good for you if you use orange oil or lemon oil just dont chain vape on them when i did it seemed to make breathing a little harder but i still have some and will vape them from time to time you may also find if you cut your tobacco with the vg and let steep it may be more to your liking

 

[WillyZee]

personally I would not use the stuff you have shown ... I would look at proper DIY supplies to fix your juice ... check out Canvape.

 

[Nado]

hmmm interesting, how long would you suggest I steep it for? Would mixing them in a shot glass and leaving it to steep in the shot glass work fine? If a little throat clogging is the only issue with the flavors that isnt too bad, maybe i'll just keep one to use until I can get some proper flavors ordered or find a local store that carries them.

Any opinions on if the Glycerin is the right product?

 

[Nado]

well i'm a bit impatient so I tried combining the two ejuices I bought online with some of the mystery glycerine. I figured it cant be any worse than cigarettes and worst case I would just burn out my clearomizer. I did approximately 50% glycerine, 40% tobacco and 10% menthol.

So far the taste is much more to my liking and the smoke is thicker. (The juices I started with were 70%PG/30%VG) lets just hope my clearomizer doesn't explode in the next few minutes lol.

 

[Train2]

I was going to suggest same as WillyZee - CanVape has a complete selection of PG, VG, and flavorings - same one's you'll find recipes for in the DIY threads.

Without any labelling, that VG may NOT be recommended for vaping - just can't tell - most of us are specifically using Pharmaceutical Grade. Some folks in Canada get their PG at a pharmacy.


Pharmaceutical Grade - for human consumption including by inhalation
Food Grade - for human consumption by ingestion but not inhalation
Agricultural (Farm) Grade - for use in connection with animals
Industrial Grade - for use in machinery, manufacturing and similar purposes

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Glycerin USP grade should be good. It's my understanding it's USP, it's what you want. I don't use flavorings with oil in them, the banana looks ok other than the tartrazine, which I'm unfamiliar with. I would recommend getting flavors from a vape shop because they should only have flavors which are relatively safe. I use mainly TFA flavors but Capellas, FW, FA are all good too. I'm sure I'm missing some but those are the ones coming to mind atm.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Wingsfan0310]

PG and VG are both sold in good quality and are labelled:
Propylene Glycol, USP (or BP or EU)
Glycerine, USP (or BP or EU)


One of the stickies from the DIY forum:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/277267-purity-pg-vg-peg-short-version.html

Cheers,
Steve

PS I suggest you check out the DIY section, read the stickies and as much as you possibly can. There is a ton of valuable information in there.

 

[Nado]

Through what I have seen on the forum in other threads and now this one is that some say that the USP Glycerin is okay and other say its not. Its hard to tell which is which. At any rate i'll just return the flavorings as this mixture i've made is at least tolerable enough for me to vape for the next few days while I get some proper ingredients ordered in. I also have some PG that will be coming in tomorrow so I can try the mixture with that instead of the Glycerine and see what its like.

In most of the youtube video's i've watched except for one they say that VG is better for you than PG. Any opinions on that or are both pretty much the same in a sense that we think they are safe but no real testing has been done?

Edit:

thanks steve, I posted this before I saw your second post.

 

[Nado]

Also I noticed today at the Pharmacy that the Nicorette inhaler there has PG in it so there must be at least some testing done with PG as a nicotine delivery tool?

 

[AmandaD]

Most people use a combination of PG/VG. The main reason some people avoid PG is because they're sensitive to it! PG is, a far as we know, safe to inhale - it's also used I believe in asthma inhalers.

 

[MD_Boater]

Glycerin USP grade should be good. It's my understanding it's USP, it's what you want. I don't use flavorings with oil in them, the banana looks ok other than the tartrazine, which I'm unfamiliar with. I would recommend getting flavors from a vape shop because they should only have flavors which are relatively safe. I use mainly TFA flavors but Capellas, FW, FA are all good too. I'm sure I'm missing some but those are the ones coming to mind atm.

Cheers,
Steve

Steve is correct. I have a friend that works for USP HQ in Rockville, MD. I spoke with him 3 times about VG and labelling.

During my last conversation with him, he said:

• If a manufacturer puts only "food grade" (or "FCC" - for USP Food Chemical Codex) without "USP" on the label, it does not meet USP "pharmaceutical" standards (they call it a "monograph") and is strictly a "food grade" product.
• If it is labelled only "USP", then it is by definition both pharmaceutical AND food grade (FCC) because "food grade" is less pure than USP. Therefore; it would be suitable for both purposes.
• If the label says both "USP" and "food grade" (or "USP" and "FCC") on the label, the manufacturer is simply targeting both types of customers by explicitly listing both ratings on the label. Some manufacturers understand that a customer looking for a "food grade" product might not buy the product if it is only labelled "USP". Other customers are explicitly looking for a "USP" product, so they also put that on the label (only if the product conforms to the monograph) to attract those customers.

Bottom line is if it says USP on the label, you are good to go. Unless the manufacturer is lying on the label, in which case they will get in big trouble if they get caught...

The OP's VG is fine for vaping as it is both "USP" and "food grade".

There is some old information from 2009 somewhere on this site claiming that the product name can't have commas, spaces, or other markings on a USP product, but a USP employee (and some coworkers that he spoke with) told me that they are unaware of such labelling requirements.

The OP should cover up the second line of that label because they obviously spelled Glycerin wrong, and their printer put a blob above the first "e". That spelling is not in the monograph for glycerin, and you will likely die if you vape it. Cover it with some electrical tape, and the correctly spelled name above it (which IS in the monograph) will save your life.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Nado, read the wall of stickies in the DIY section even though it is intimidating, your health depends on it. DIY E-Liquid DIY is fantastic right up until you make yourself sick. You have the first prerequisite, enthusiasm, the second is knowledge, the third is safety and the fourth is mullah up front. Patience can be gotten around with an ultrasonic cleaner, as you will discover in the DIY forum. Good luck and have a blast!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Here is a picture of what I hope is VG or at least a product that will work. It is just called Glycerin USP and does not list any ingredients or its purity.

Yes have used the Life brand Glycerin USP from Shoppers Drug mart when I first began DIY and it's fine- 250 ml for $6.00.

And here is a picture of the flavor extracts I was able to find. Club House was the only available brand with the Pure Almond Extract being the flavoring with the least ingredients.

You have be careful about using flavoring with oil in it. Oil can also clog up cartos/ clearos/ elements quickly.
Buying flavors from Canvape is the way to go IMO. There is the Bulk Barn that sells a few Lorann flavoings.

 

[Nado]

Thanks guys, I have read quite a bit of the stickies in the DIY section including this thread that Steve posted above.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/277267-purity-pg-vg-peg-short-version.html

There seems to be a lot of conficting information and opinions on Pharma grade/USP and wether or not they are the same thing. The thread above seems to be claiming its information as fact as the thread is locked to any replies but there are no sources to back up this information. Has there been a post on the site that is able to back up their claim with trusted references?

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A little update, I picked up my PG at Sobeys yesterday. It is also USP and does not state the purity. I decided to make a quick mix with 5ml Glycerin, 5ml PG and 2ml Banana (the only flavor I had without oil). It seemed to work fine, I did about 50 vapes with it last night without any tank cracking. The flavor is ok but i'm not too crazy about artificial banana, kind of tastes like banana popsicles/medicine.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

A little update, I picked up my PG at Sobeys yesterday. It is also USP and does not state the purity.

From my Dentist's wife who's a Pharmacist.This is the same PG that the Pharmacy uses as a carrier when mixing with medications.

There seems to be a lot of conficting information and opinions on Pharma grade/USP and wether or not they are the same thing. The thread above seems to be claiming its information as fact as the thread is locked to any replies but there are no sources to back up this information. Has there been a post on the site that is able to back up their claim with trusted references?

Realize this link:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/277267-purity-pg-vg-peg-short-version.html
is posted by RolyGate who lives in the U.K.
PG and VG are both sold in good quality and are labelled:
Propylene Glycol, USP (or BP or EU)
Glycerine, USP (or BP or EU)
USP is the equivalent/ the same as BP and EU. Different labeling for different geographic locations.

The flavor is ok but i'm not too crazy about artificial banana, kind of tastes like banana popsicles/medicine.

Some freshly made juices need to steep. Also realize you may have to add some sweetener (Ethyl Maltol). Many juices can sometimes contain 10+ diff flavorings to arrive at a specific flavor.

 

[Banana Vap70]

This seems like it might be a good place to ask for some help for a new to DIY juice maker. I think I made a rookie mistake today. I ordered a kit from One Stop DIY, and the e-liquid blend that I got was 48mg nic 100% PG and then I got the 100% VG base liquid no nic. Well in my mind I am thinking that if I mix 1/2 the 48mg 100% PG with 1/2 0mg 100% VG that would give me the 24mg nic that I want. What I didn't think about was that I prefer a 30% PG / 70% VG. Based on having 18% flavoring that would make my mix 50% PG 32% VG and 18% flavoring (I'm not sure what the flavoring is considered.)

Is there any thing that I can do to my change the make up? I thought about ordering 48mg nic 100% VG and then mixing the two together, but then what do I have 98mg nic at 50PG/50VG or 48mg nic at 50PG/50VG? Any advise?