Dizziness/Spaceyness/Foggy-Headedness

[jbbishop]

I must say I experienced my share of this too. I thought it was too much nicotine but further experimentation suggests this may not be true.

In my case these strange feelings have been strongly correlated with the alarming panic attacks I began to have.

I trust people will know to learn to control their nicotine intake. Start by gauging the amount of nicotine you are getting based on the number of drops or milliliters of liquid you are consuming relative to the nicotine content as others have suggested. A good rule is if you don't feel you need any you shouldn't be vaping any nicotine. The high strength solutions are just too much. You think you can just take one puff every now and then and it will be ok but unless you're vaping about as much as you used to smoke I don't think this will satisfy.

Currently, I have reason to believe that it COULD be an issue with the PG because I don't really believe at this point it's due to just the nicotine. Another theory is that it could be due to other agents in the liquid based on the source of manufacture and that another product might be agreeable. I originally got the TW. There might be a combination of factors.

Currently I'm waiting on non-pg 18mg from Johnsons Creek. This is sad for me because I'm having to force myself to put the e-cig on permanent hold until this arrives maybe Saturday. I need a different solution, one that will work, because after the first couple of days as it built up in my system I became rather intolerant of this. I'm hopeful and I'll try to report back on here when I've tried it. If anyone is experiencing similar symptoms I strongly suggest giving this alternative a try.

 

[jbbishop]

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[planetofthevapes]

When my husband first gave up analogs completely and started smoking his mini (just like an NPRO with a diff brand name) he was feeling very dizzy, throbby, flu-like pains. It went away after about two weeks. I think for him it is that he puffs on his too much, but also that nicotine itself will constrict blood vessels and therefore raise blood pressure...which can lead to dizziness. Also, as others have said, it could be an allergy or a disagreement with the propylene glycol. I noticed that PG made me feel very tight in my chest after just one puff, and when I finally had enough of my nic highs (because I barely vape anymore, only at night...so, my nic tolerance is down), I cut my liquids in half with VG and notice a significant decrease (actually absense) of the heaviness in my chest I feel from PG. I imagine I might have issues with the PG like some of you (I am after all, evidently, allergic to everything but apples, bananas, crisco, and vaseline...ROFLMAO). I would suggest buying a lower lvl liquid, and maybe trying VG instead of PG. Also, when I used my NPRO, it always made me feel funny, even like I was collapsing my lungs or somethng (I know I wasn't, I'm just relating to you all the feeling I was getting) and it turns out that it was just the hard draw of the atomizer. I am much happier with my manual switched kissbox...thanks janty! *blows an e-kiss to Jeff*

I also wonder if the body recovering from all of the toxins might also affect one in similar ways.

 

[Klausse]

I tend to agree with the different ingredients and different manufacturers idea. I've been heavily vaping brand X 11mgs, which taste and smokes great. Not a great throat hit but that's why I was vaping more. Even snuck a real smoke, tasted like s#@t, a little lighht headed and I didn't finish it. How's that for a 23 yr habit!

Got my Brand Z (which I've vaped before) 2 days ago at med(?) mgs and BAM got my throat hit alright but was also getting the "wuz up" paranoia, tight chest, tight throat, cold hands bit after a heavy session. Thinking brand Z has more nic and a mystery ingredient. It's also a thinner looking fluid.
Since I felt great, with no side effects for a month vaping Kick Juice exclusively..(oops I mean Brand X) I think I'll just stick with it an drip some Brand Z on top when I crave the throat hit.

I've got enough weirdness, panic, paranoia and spaceyness in my life without sucking in more on my downtime!

 

[Monkeylurv]

I tend to agree with the different ingredients and different manufacturers idea. I've been heavily vaping brand X 11mgs, which taste and smokes great. Not a great throat hit but that's why I was vaping more. Even snuck a real smoke, tasted like s#@t, a little lighht headed and I didn't finish it. How's that for a 23 yr habit!

Got my Brand Z (which I've vaped before) 2 days ago at med(?) mgs and BAM got my throat hit alright but was also getting the "wuz up" paranoia, tight chest, tight throat, cold hands bit after a heavy session. Thinking brand Z has more nic and a mystery ingredient. It's also a thinner looking fluid.
Since I felt great, with no side effects for a month vaping Kick Juice exclusively..(oops I mean Brand X) I think I'll just stick with it an drip some Brand Z on top when I crave the throat hit.

I've got enough weirdness, panic, paranoia and spaceyness in my life without sucking in more on my downtime!

Klausse: What's Brand Z? Lol, we know what X is. Do tell. It would be helpful to everyone. And it doesn't necessarily put down the brand. Just certain people may be more sensitive to something in a particular brand. Not that we know every ingredient in every brand...

I have been vaping JC today (PG only because I couldn't reach them to change before shipping). And I do feel much less spacey, but nevertheless still a bit out of it as soon as I start vaping. It wears off after a couple hours. If I don't smoke analogs or vape, I feel more alert. I noticed the Ruyan is a much thinner consistency than JC. JC must put more glycerin or water in theirs? They also exclude some ingredients so maybe that's why it's thinner. But when I was using Ruyan yesterday, I was diluting with 3 parts PG anyway. So it may have been the higher amts. of PG in itself.

I ordered VG, so I'll try to dilute it with that & see if that helps. If not, will be trying out JC non-pg.

 

[Monkeylurv]

Currently, I have reason to believe that it COULD be an issue with the PG because I don't really believe at this point it's due to just the nicotine. Another theory is that it could be due to other agents in the liquid based on the source of manufacture and that another product might be agreeable. I originally got the TW. There might be a combination of factors.

I think anything is possible. Mfg. makes a bad batch - it's tainted with something. Or the proportions are off. Have any of them stated they use GMP standards? I doubt it. Then you have the smaller suppliers who are buying from the big mfg's and creating their own concoctions. What do we know about what they put in them? Are they using safe flavorings, etc. Are they throwing in a little mystery ingredient to make it vapor/flavor more. I'm sure alot of them know what they're doing, but some of them may just be kiddies putting up shop for a quick buck. I see some people on these boards going for the best tasting ejuice they can find, without maybe really knowing who they're buying from.

Can you really trust someone who doesn't give an address, and you may not even know what state their in, and they only accept paypal? I know there's the fear of the FDA, but it opens the door for some sheister to sell anything he wants. For all we know some of these "little" guys may not even be adding nicotine. It would be so easy to throw some flavoring, PG and/or VG together. Think of the fortune they could make off that!

 

[jbbishop]

An update on my experience with these problems and a discussion of my own situation and other unusual symptoms with special relevance to this discussion can be found here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...strange-major-panic-attacks-2.html#post174508

 

[Monkeylurv]

Just wanted to add that I've been vaping with VG today & feel fine. Although I just added VG to the PG juice I already had. Tomorrow's another day. Hopefully I'll still feel ok.

 

[Klausse]

Hey Monkeylurv,
Brand Z was Janty which pisses me off since it tastes great, smokes great and has the nice throat hit. I vaped 2 or 3 of the 10mls with nothing adverse until I started up with the Kick juice and now I notice goofy-ness with Janty when switching back between the 2 brands just this last month.
Glad the VG is working for you.
Do you notice any difference in the pull, hit or taste? Was thinking about trying that out as an alternative as well.

 

[Monkeylurv]

Hey Monkeylurv,
Brand Z was Janty which pisses me off since it tastes great, smokes great and has the nice throat hit. I vaped 2 or 3 of the 10mls with nothing adverse until I started up with the Kick juice and now I notice goofy-ness with Janty when switching back between the 2 brands just this last month.
Glad the VG is working for you.
Do you notice any difference in the pull, hit or taste? Was thinking about trying that out as an alternative as well.

It actually tastes stronger - stronger throat hit and a sweeter less chemical taste than PG. Not that I'm saying that is a good thing, given the unknowns about VG. Try getting some VG & adding it to your Janty. I added it to PG based Johnson Creek. Suppose to add a little distilled water though. I plan to try to decrease the VG a little at a time & see how it goes. Maybe my body just needs to get use to it slowly.

I hear you about the goofyness. I swear I was feeling like I lost a few brain cells the first 3 days. I couldn't focus or absorb anything I was reading or have a rational conversation. Lucky for me, my brain bounced back.

 

[Monkeylurv]

One other aspect of the lactic acid issue that I completely forgot about - mineral deficiency. Calcium, magnesium, potassium, selenium, iron, sodium...all alkaline buffering agents. If you're low, maybe that's why some people have problems with PG.

It takes a large amt. of produce just to get your potassium. Haven't been so good with the diet lately. I do take a high dose of magnesium every day. And back when I had my LA incident on metformin, my diet was horrendous, and I was seriously mineral deficient. I had a typical acidic western diet, with little to no ingestion of veggies & fruit, little H20, and typically drank diet soda all day.

People on high protein, low carb diets would be in an acidic state too, unless they were compensating with supplements/and or eating lots of veggies.

 

[booboo]

One other aspect of the lactic acid issue that I completely forgot about - mineral deficiency. Calcium, magnesium, potassium, selenium, iron, sodium...all alkaline buffering agents. If you're low, maybe that's why some people have problems with PG.

It takes a large amt. of produce just to get your potassium. Haven't been so good with the diet lately. I do take a high dose of magnesium every day. And back when I had my LA incident on metformin, my diet was horrendous, and I was seriously mineral deficient. I had a typical acidic western diet, with little to no ingestion of veggies & fruit, little H20, and typically drank diet soda all day.

People on high protein, low carb diets would be in an acidic state too, unless they were compensating with supplements/and or eating lots of veggies.

That says alot. My magnesium/potassium/calcium is always low. I love veggies, but still have to take supplements constantly to keep them up. And juices are definitely different. My x brand was indeed the culprit when I felt so awful a while back. I know because I stopped using it, felt better, and then Sunday, it was all I had in the car, so used it again.........ugh. Now I've felt like death the last 3 days. Another strange think with vaping is that it seems to make me crave milk. I'm lactose intolerant and usually avoid it like the plague. But now it seems to be going down okay. And I use my lactaid when I get nic juice heartburn and it works right away. (I know lactid acid and lactose are different, but they must have some kind of connection because these things work!)

 

[Monkeylurv]

That says alot. My magnesium/potassium/calcium is always low. I love veggies, but still have to take supplements constantly to keep them up. And juices are definitely different. My x brand was indeed the culprit when I felt so awful a while back. I know because I stopped using it, felt better, and then Sunday, it was all I had in the car, so used it again.........ugh. Now I've felt like death the last 3 days. Another strange think with vaping is that it seems to make me crave milk. I'm lactose intolerant and usually avoid it like the plague. But now it seems to be going down okay. And I use my lactaid when I get nic juice heartburn and it works right away. (I know lactid acid and lactose are different, but they must have some kind of connection because these things work!)

That's interesting. I would think that using PG & an increase in lactic acid would make your body more acidic, thus crave alkaline minerals? Maybe it works backwards the same way - lactic acid depletes mineral stores, and minerals are needed to counteract acidity. Don't know if that makes sense.

I shouldn't have spoken so early. I'm still having problems with cutting PG formula w/VG. I can't be totally sure it's not the flavoring in the actual ejuice (not one I added). So back to the drawing board. Going to vape strictly VG one day, and PG another day, without any ejuice. At least I'll be able to rule that out, and focus on the formula/flavor.

Argh, I'd like to have just ONE day of enjoying vaping. Since starting, I actually prefer vaping way more than analogs! But have only done very short sessions for a few hours at the most.

This time it is different though. I'm having the chest tightness the same as when I was using menthol crystals & Lorann flavoring, and not fogginess. But I'm almost suspicious that the chest tightness is actually gas. Because, umm, err... it's showing itself in other obvious ways. And let's just say it's an odor that I've never smelled before except driving by a landfill. Parfum Eau de Methane.

I took some gas-x. I'll see if that helps.

 

[Monkeylurv]

Booboo,

Does your heartburn feel like pressure & you can't breath? Or is it a reflux burning type heartburn.

 

[booboo]

I don't really get heartburn unless I swallow a bunch of juice and then it is acid burn from throat to stomach. My issues were extreme fatigue, heart papls, chest pain, panting for breath, foginess, and feeling "effed up", like I was going to die. They were from that bad juice. My daily side effect symptoms (from pg and vg--though worse with pg) are fatigue, muscle cramps, irritability (extreme), labored breathing (better than when walking around while I smoked, but worse because it happens sitting still now), acne, glassy-eyed feeling (like if someone looks at me, are they gonna think I'm high?), blood-sugar issues, and weight gain.....
and if another person blames side-effects on nicotine withdrawal, I'm going to scream. In the first place, you have to quit nicotine to withdraw from it. I never have. Alot of us are using more nicotine than we did with cigarettes. That would be more of a cause than withdrawal. To all of you who aren't on "0" liquid and are having side efffects, look up "denial" before you believe the people who blame quitting analogs for everything. Sorry to go off, but reading that everywhere is getting on my last nerve.

 

[vspede]

I don't know if this helps but I started feeling heaviness in my chest and being uncomfortable with my breathing like I couldn't get enough Oxygen.

I was using Puresmoker's High Nicotine sample pack. I used up the coca-cola bottle and I was fine. It wasn't until I started using the 555 that I started to feel the symptoms and it was only 1/2 way through the bottle.

I threw away my cart which I have been using for a few days and I replaced it with a fresh blank one and my symptoms seems to have disappeared.

Maybe it was the filler that got burnt or contaminated?

Either way maybe try that?

 

[Monkeylurv]

and if another person blames side-effects on nicotine withdrawal, I'm going to scream. In the first place, you have to quit nicotine to withdraw from it. I never have. Alot of us are using more nicotine than we did with cigarettes. That would be more of a cause than withdrawal. To all of you who aren't on "0" liquid and are having side efffects, look up "denial" before you believe the people who blame quitting analogs for everything. Sorry to go off, but reading that everywhere is getting on my last nerve.

I hear you Booboo. I'm getting frustrated with the "adjustment period" statement. I'm only posting over here for now, because I don't want anyone to think I'm anti-pv. I'm really not. I think it's a wonderful thing, for those who have no or only momentary s/e's. But my chest still hurts. And I haven't vaped since yesterday. Not an adjustment, not nicotine withdrawal or OD. I'm smoking analogs, and with every one I smoke, it irritates my lungs. I never had that on analogs before. Maybe occasionally in the morning for a second. I don't know if there's some kind of interaction with analog smoke & vp vapor...but I can barely even smoke analogs now (which incidently are at least additive free). I may need to slap on a patch, which works like shiat for me, and give my lungs a break. I'm still waiting on a shipment of USP VG & PG to try those things out so I can rule them out.

I'm totally depressed about it. I was so excited about replacing analogs with vp, and now I may have no choice to not use either, and quit with a patch. Last time I quit for a year, I gained 40 lbs. on the patch.

ETA: I've also tried/tested numerous things: Blood sugar - normal, my saliva/urine ph: normal (I even tested blood ph, but that's just impossible to do with a strip), breathed in steam mist (to moisten my lungs), took in extra calcium, magnesium, iron...and other things I can't remember right this second. So I think I can rule out any kind of lactic acid effect.

 

[Monkeylurv]

I don't know if this helps but I started feeling heaviness in my chest and being uncomfortable with my breathing like I couldn't get enough Oxygen.

I was using Puresmoker's High Nicotine sample pack. I used up the coca-cola bottle and I was fine. It wasn't until I started using the 555 that I started to feel the symptoms and it was only 1/2 way through the bottle.

I threw away my cart which I have been using for a few days and I replaced it with a fresh blank one and my symptoms seems to have disappeared.

Maybe it was the filler that got burnt or contaminated?

Either way maybe try that?

Vspede,

Yes, I had thought about the filler in the cart burning & causing irritation around day 2 or 3. I tried dripping the day after that, and still felt the same after effects. I also was very careful on the days I did use the filler to make sure it didn't dry, and I rinsed out filler & atomizer every day.

 

[dEFinitionofEPIC]

I hear you Booboo. I'm getting frustrated with the "adjustment period" statement. I'm only posting over here for now, because I don't want anyone to think I'm anti-pv. I'm really not. I think it's a wonderful thing, for those who have no or only momentary s/e's. But my chest still hurts. And I haven't vaped since yesterday. Not an adjustment, not nicotine withdrawal or OD. I'm smoking analogs, and with every one I smoke, it irritates my lungs. I never had that on analogs before. Maybe occasionally in the morning for a second. I don't know if there's some kind of interaction with analog smoke & vp vapor...but I can barely even smoke analogs now (which incidently are at least additive free). I may need to slap on a patch, which works like shiat for me, and give my lungs a break. I'm still waiting on a shipment of USP VG & PG to try those things out so I can rule them out.

I'm totally depressed about it. I was so excited about replacing analogs with vp, and now I may have no choice to not use either, and quit with a patch. Last time I quit for a year, I gained 40 lbs. on the patch.

To MonkeyLurv and Booboo:

I am going through the same thing as well.... and it is indeed very frustrating. I have been vaping for about 2 months and the symptoms have come and gone but now they just seem to be getting worse. I just can't seem to get it right. PG makes me feel spacey, tired, and I believe I'm getting small muscle spasms from it. VG also doesn't sit well with me-- I can't really explain it... I just get a "I don't feel quite right" feeling. My neck has also had a "tight" feeling the last few days.

It doesn't seem like many other people are having this problem but I am to the point where I am going to have to give up on the e-cigs. (Though I'm not going back to smoking --- I'll just officially snus full time).... I guess everyone is different and some people are just very sensitive to vaporizing and inhaling glycerine, pg, flavorings, etc.....

Oh, well.... what are you gonna do.

 

[Monkeylurv]

Definition: Sorry about you too. It really sucks.

I felt spacey & just morning chest tightness on PG too (per this thread) and all day chest symptoms and NO spaciness with VG, Lorann flavoring and menthol crystals. Although the PG I was using wasn't USP & the VG I tried for one day was actually USP glycerin, and not veg glycerin. So I'm giving USP PG & new VG a shot without any nicotine juice, just in case it was some kind of impurities . Maybe you can switch out the type of PG or VG you were using. It's worth a shot I guess.

Hope you can work it out.