Djarum Specials - equivalent juice/recipe?

[vintageray]

I can't say that I'm real happy that I bought them. I smoked one, then loaded my 510 with some nice Keoke Coffee (30% mixed with 70% equal parts 36mg juice and vg) and couldn't taste the vapor at all. So the Specials will stay in the drawer and hopefully someone will come up with a juice that replicates the flavor. I've been off cigarettes since before the ban and really enjoy being able to breathe freely, not cough when I lay down to sleep and still enjoy my nicotine with the e-cig, too much to go back to smoking even if I can get them.

 

[jersey_emt]

The Specials I bought are the same, still in the same pack as always. Absolutely no change at all. Same exact pack. Says: 20 KRETEC Clove Cigarettes, as I said, same, same, no change. Smoked them exclusively for eight years after they quit importing the King Size which were like Specials, but a little more mild. Believe it or not, the normal Djarum Specials are still available. I just bought a carton and smoked two of them. Read my post. The man in the tobacco store told me that the ban did not effect the Specials, only the lights. However, I did notice that the Blacks were in a different box and said, "Cigars", but I didn't buy any and can't say what they are. I'm not lying and I know my cloves.

Actually, the ban does affect the Djarum Special cigarettes, and all other clove cigarettes as well, not just the Lights.

In response to the ban, Djarum is now marketing filtered cigar versions of most of their clove cigarette lines sold in the U.S. I have seen and purchased Djarum Black, Black Cherry, Black Vanilla, Special, Bali Hai, and Splash fcigars in local tobacco shops.

The difference is simply the legal distinction between a cigarette and a cigar. A cigarette is wrapped in paper, but a cigar is wrapped in tobacco leaf. The bill specifically bans the sale of flavored cigarettes, but flavored cigars are not mentioned. Hence, to continue selling product in the United States, Djarum has taken their clove cigarettes, wrapped them in tobacco leaf instead of paper, and markets them as filtered cigars in packs of 12. They are larger in diameter (thicker) than the cigarettes they replaced, most likely because there may be a minimum diameter they must be in order to be legally classified as a cigar (in addition to being wrapped in tobacco leaf).

However, that said, the bill really did not say whether existing stock can or cannot be sold. Most likely, that tobacco store's distributor still has some stock of Djarum Special cigarettes, and will continue to deliver them to tobacco shops until their stock is exhausted (at which point they will begin distributing the filtered cigars exclusively). When this "turnover" will happen I have absolutely no idea. But the FDA bill most definitely is putting a stop to clove cigarettes being sold here.

The filtered cigars do draw and taste a bit different than the cigarettes which they replaced, but they are very close. If you prefer a fuller flavor clove cigarette, you may actually even prefer the new filtered cigars. Being wrapped in tobacco leaf adds some additional flavor and "richness" from my experience, which includes smoking cigarettes that I still have some boxes left "back to back" with the new replacement filtered cigars.

Luckily, the bill only stops the distribution and sale of flavored cigarettes -- clove of course included -- inside the United States. You can still order clove cigarettes from foreign countries and have them shipped to the United States. I have done just that and have ordered 23 packs of clove cigarettes directly from Indonesia, and they were delivered within a week. Many are brands and products that otherwise would not have been available in the United States even before the ban. Some sites will only sell cartons, but many also sell preselected sample packs or sell single packs of most (if not all) of what they sell. Obviously, it will be more expensive buying single packs instead of cartons, but it is still much cheaper than what is typically paid in a tobacco shop here -- between $2.50 and $5.00 a pack seems to be the norm. Also, you need to be aware that most packs of cigarettes produced for Indonesian domestic sale do not contain 20 cigarettes like is normally done in the United States. The most common contain either 16 or 12 cigarettes. Of the 23 packs I ordered, 10 packs contain 16 cigarettes, 11 packs contain 12, 1 pack contains 10, and 1 pack contains 6.

There is a chance that your shipment is picked up and refused by customs, but I have "read the fine print" on several Indonesian web sites, and many will re-send your order with no additional charge if it is seized by customs.

 

[jhemps]

Ahhh...had to dig up this thread for the blacks recipe of Scubabatdan's that I posted a while back. I just made 30ml of it and it turned out AWESOME! Does anybody know which of the ingredients affects the color of the juice? It was cloudy when i first mixed it, but when I came back an hour later, it was perfectly mixed and a clear reddish-gold color. It's good too, but i definitely had to add more clove than the original recipe. Has anybody experimented and come up with anything closer to the specials? Also was thinking of getting some of the ingredients that were in the official djarum kretek recipe and trying to mix up the authentic recipe. Anybody tried this?

 

[Scubabatdan]

Ahhh...had to dig up this thread for the blacks recipe of Scubabatdan's that I posted a while back. I just made 30ml of it and it turned out AWESOME! Does anybody know which of the ingredients affects the color of the juice? It was cloudy when i first mixed it, but when I came back an hour later, it was perfectly mixed and a clear reddish-gold color. It's good too, but i definitely had to add more clove than the original recipe. Has anybody experimented and come up with anything closer to the specials? Also was thinking of getting some of the ingredients that were in the official djarum kretek recipe and trying to mix up the authentic recipe. Anybody tried this?

I had posted a reply on Eugenol, which is the oil the use in the kretek djarum ciggies. And it is wondeful. Check out this post it has the link to getting the eugenol from the perfumist site.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tine-other-premade-e-juices-5.html#post526564

Dan

 

[MrKai]

I agree. I found that really no matter what you did/do the absolute must-have ingredient is eugenol...you gotta get just the right amount tho or it is like vaping a bandage

-K

 

[redraven]

Hi all -
Pretty new to e-smoking & mostly running around asking questions, but do have one small discovery that might be helpful with the clove thing.

I'm experimenting with different liquids & have ended up with a bunch of stuff I'll never use straight. So, I've started just spiking the leftovers with clove. I haven't done any bottle mixing with them yet, but for a cartridge, I just put in a normal amount of base liquid & add 1 drop clove essential oil. (It's very strong-Do NOT overdo it! In fact I had to get a spare atomizer to use just for clove. Hard to test new flavors after clove - it stays around forever. However, a good way to keep your ick flavors from going to waste. The clove will kill the taste of most anything.)

Make sure you read up on essential oils & safety first!!! It's a somewhat complex subject. Many things labeled "essential oil" aren't. You'll end up smoking all sorts of petroleum-based nastiness. Two brands I trust as 100% essential oil are Aroma Vera & Aura Cacia. Also clove oil is pretty cheap for an essential oil-around $5-10 probably. I can even get it at some of my local grocery stores that have a good health food & cosmetics area.

Note: I'm by no means a professional on this stuff - my interest in essential oils is for making perfumes, incense, & such. I've only incidentally picked up a tiny bit of information on a few for medicinal use. So please do your research! However, I think this should be safe. I use clove oil on toothaches all the time & my dentist says that's great. It's one of the main ingredients in stuff like Anbesol (may be listed as Eugenol, which was mentioned earlier). It's also how they make clove cigarettes. (Found that out the hard way after trying to smoke ground cloves in the spice cabinet as a teenager). However, if you get undiluted clove oil on your skin, wash it off right away. It will burn you.

Essential oils aren't water-soluble, but you might be able to dilute with alcohol. I'm not real clear on the subject of alcohol in e-liquids yet, though, so I'm not certain if/how that would work. That's what I do with it for perfume-type usage, though.

Anyhow, just a thought. Unsure about creating the Djarum's specifically, but if you like clove in general this might be something to look into.

RR

 

[dscott]

Anyone out there have a good recipe for Djarum Bali Hai--I've been smoke free for just over 5 months now and am still looking for something to approximate my fav cig flavor...thx

 

[bkinney]

I got djarum black juice from litecigusa, i also ordered vanilla and juicyfruit, do u guys think if i mix teh dj black juice, eugenol mix and vanilla ill get a good mix? im just trying to make the most of what
I have. Also if u truly want to get the best djarum taste order a carton online from indonesia, I ordered two and did a side by side comparison of the american post ban and the indonesian, not only are the indonesian WAY better, they are much much cheaper (around 3 dollars for a pack of 16)

 

[Scubabatdan]

I got djarum black juice from litecigusa, i also ordered vanilla and juicyfruit, do u guys think if i mix teh dj black juice, eugenol mix and vanilla ill get a good mix? im just trying to make the most of what
I have. Also if u truly want to get the best djarum taste order a carton online from indonesia, I ordered two and did a side by side comparison of the american post ban and the indonesian, not only are the indonesian WAY better, they are much much cheaper (around 3 dollars for a pack of 16)

Since Eugenol is a key ingredient in Indonesian kretek (clove) cigarettes. I would say Yes you will get a good mix. Eugenol is what I use in my clove juice. Taste great!
Dan

 

[BrandonfromOhio]

i am planning on rolling my own cigarettes. what specific kinds of tobaccos, clove, whatever, will i need to make something exactly like the djarum special, or the unfiltered internationals?

 

[Nikhil]

i am planning on rolling my own cigarettes. what specific kinds of tobaccos, clove, whatever, will i need to make something exactly like the djarum special, or the unfiltered internationals?

Wrong forum, try this one: RYO Cigarettes | Roll Your Own Cigarette Tobacco | RYO Revolution

 

[asche]

gonna contribute with my own reciepe :

Base: 65% PG / 35% VG

Flavoring:

2,1% Inawera Clove Flavour
2,1% FA Cinnamon Flavour
2,7% Inawera Tobacco Flavour
3,1% Inawera Vanilla Flavour