Do e-cigs help you quit smoking?

[Bill Godshall]

Do e-cigs help you quit smoking?
Do e-cigs help you quit smoking? Science is still hazy - LivewellNebraska.com

From Omaha, Nebraska.

 

[Petrodus]

Do e-cigs help you quit smoking? Science is still hazy

Guess asking the millions who switched to e-cigs wouldn't
be considered science.

I wonder if "science is still hazy" or even concerned
about all those FDA Approved poisons on the market today?

Millions around the world switching to e-smoking
but there's concern if e-cigs help people quit smoking.
Well DA ... Even a child would answer YES
but adults can't figure it out.

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Do e-cigs help you quit smoking? Science is still hazy

Guess asking the millions who switched to e-cigs wouldn't
be considered science.

I wonder if "science is still hazy" or even concerned
about all those FDA Approved poisons on the market today?

Millions around the world switching to e-smoking
but there's concern if e-cigs help people quit smoking.
Well DA ... Even a child would answer YES
but adults can't figure it out.

The problem is these adults have figured it out and they are running scared knowing that when enough people start using them they will lose their gravy train. Big Pharma won't have a reason to support them as their gravy train from this source will be over. Follow the Money.

 

[Petrodus]

The problem is these adults have figured it out and they are running scared knowing that when enough people start using them they will lose their gravy train. Big Pharma won't have a reason to support them as their gravy train from this source will be over. Follow the Money.

Yea, I know ... Its all about money
and their no money to be made in healthy people.
I was just being sarcastic ... Again

 

[CapitalPuff]

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[Dougiestyle]

I think from OUR perspective, the title of the article may be swayed a bit to the unexamined science of whether e-cig actually are harmful in some way. How many times a week do we see a new thread, here on ECF, about "I have an itch/rash/sore____/watery eyes... Is it the e-cig causing it??" DO WE, AS VAPERS, HAVE ROCK-SOLID PROOF THAT WE'RE NOT HARMING OURSELVES WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY?? The answer is no. We do, however, have a conscientious insight into the personal improvements in our own lives, and that is where we base our opinion from. I think the article is open to objective view in either pro or anti vapor. I'm happy that e-cigs get some spotlight whether it be with some doubt alluded to or not. People who are interested in trying them will see. Those that are nay-sayers may come around at some point in the future. Who are we to say this is the best way? For some it just doesn't work. For most, it does. The more views our PVs get, the more opportuniy for positive change we can hope for.

I don't think the story is a slam against e-cigs, but rather a light shown on them with factual account of the state of the industry AS WE KNOW IT.

 

[JENerationX]

I don't understand the big deal about e-cigs being "possibly unsafe". We KNOW what smoking can do to us, we KNOW it causes cancer, we know we're ingesting chemicals that will cause harm, we know our lungs are blackening over time. Even though there is proof out there that e-cigs are much healthier, I wouldn't care one bit if there was no proof. Smoking made me feel horrible. vaping doesn't. If there were a 50/50 chance on it being better for me, I'd still have rolled the dice on any given day.

 

[Petrodus]

Those apposed to e-cigarettes often question safety ...
Really doesn't make any difference if they are safe or not and save millions of lives.
If tomorrow e-cigs would be proven to be 100% safe to the user and the public ...
The same people would switch the topic to "Save the children"

When I see articles stating or implying e-cigs are not safe ...
Its understood that the authors are not ignorant to the truth.
They have their own agendas.

Here's an article by someone who doesn't have a life
but knows how to Copy/Paste: www. kentucky.com/2012/07/22/2266540/e-cigs-not-as-harmless-as-claimed.html"]Link[/URL]


Removed [URL="http:// from the beginning of the link

 

[DC2]

Here's an article by someone who doesn't have a life
but knows how to Copy/Paste:

Unfortunately, it's much worse than that.
Ellen Hahn is a well known ANTZ and researcher at the University of Kentucky.

The fact that she refers back to the old FDA garbage shows that she has nothing solid to use as the basis for her fear-mongering.
And she did a fantastic job of wording things in such a way as to make them sound really dangerous.

No, that was no cut and paste job.
She knew exactly what she was doing.

 

[rothenbj]

Ellen Hahn is an idiot, calling her an ANTZ is just too polite. I'd like to see a Big E debate, closed caged- Ellen vs Elaine. Ellen might then get the psychiatric care she truly needs. FDA science stopped 3 years ago with a dog and pony show.

 

[Petrodus]

Ellen Hahn is an idiot, calling her an ANTZ is just too polite. I'd like to see a Big E debate, closed caged- Ellen vs Elaine. Ellen might then get the psychiatric care she truly needs. FDA science stopped 3 years ago with a dog and pony show.

Just got through reading the comments ...
Everyone except one has the same opinion about her.

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Ellen Hahn is an idiot, calling her an ANTZ is just too polite. I'd like to see a Big E debate, closed caged- Ellen vs Elaine. Ellen might then get the psychiatric care she truly needs. FDA science stopped 3 years ago with a dog and pony show.

The problem is too many people still believe their press release from then, the one where they twisted facts, omitted information and generally told a fairy tale. I don't know how many times I've had to try and correct people on that BS. Oh well one person at a time, it's the ones who say the FDA said it it must be true that scare me.

 

[Petrodus]

A gathering of some who oppose e-cigs.
Some here might recognize some these faces.

Isn't that Ellen Hahn to the right of the Troll with the mustache ?

 

[Placebo Effect]

Ellen Hahn is an idiot, calling her an ANTZ is just too polite. I'd like to see a Big E debate, closed caged- Ellen vs Elaine. Ellen might then get the psychiatric care she truly needs. FDA science stopped 3 years ago with a dog and pony show.

Hmmm ... Perhaps a student organization at the University of Kentucky would be interested in sponsoring a debate on tobacco harm reduction between Dr. Hahn and Elaine Keller.

 

[VapApe]

Hmmm ... Perhaps a student organization at the University of Kentucky would be interested in sponsoring a debate on tobacco harm reduction between Dr. Hahn and Elaine Keller.

This will never happen for two reasons.

One Dr. Hahn has nothing to gain and every thing to lose.

Two Elaine Keller will not engage in a battle of wits with a unarmed person.

 

[Myk]

Anyone know how to find where Hahn's funding comes from?

Given the fact that Smoke Free KY links to sites that suggest 7% effective NRT and probably dangerous Zyban/Chantix that could shed some light on why she's against 30%+ effective e-cigs claiming that millions of users and 10 years of existence doesn't have the science to back it up.

Maybe the CASAA attack dog needs to get on this. I think the CASAA will need a lot more attack dogs though.

 

[Placebo Effect]

Anyone know how to find where Hahn's funding comes from?

Given the fact that Smoke Free KY links to sites that suggest 7% effective NRT and probably dangerous Zyban/Chantix that could shed some light on why she's against 30%+ effective e-cigs claiming that millions of users and 10 years of existence doesn't have the science to back it up.

Maybe the CASAA attack dog needs to get on this. I think the CASAA will need a lot more attack dogs though.

Not surprisingly, initial funding came from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. http://ccts.uky.edu/CAT_Coach_Bios.aspx?p=Hahn

Results from a FOIA request to the Kentucky Center of Smoke-free Policy can be found here -- http://www.scribd.com/my_document_collections/3251431

 

[CapitalPuff]

I added a response to Ms. Hahn's article:

I won't get into sharing links to the research that has actually been done that directly refute what Ms. Hahn has said (everyone else has done a great job with that, there is a wealth of research links available on CASAA.org), but I will just share my story. I was an almost two pack a day smoker for nearly 20 years (I am only 36), who had tried everything to quit (patches, gum, chantix, zyban, counseling, lozenges, etc., of which none of them worked... AT ALL!) when two years ago I discovered the electronic cigarette. The last cigarette I smoked was the day my first e-cigarette kit came in the mail. My health and breathing have done nothing but improve since I switched to the e-cigarette, and my doctor is in full support of my conversion to vaping. Contrary to what Ms. Hahn says, the "scientific proof" is there, she just chooses to ignore it. "Quit or Die" approaches need to be chucked in the trash, and "harm reduction" needs to be the standard. Lives depend on it. The E-cigarette is the epitome of harm reduction, which I feel has pardoned me from the death sentence I was under as a smoker.

 

[wv2win]

.......Maybe the CASAA attack dog needs to get on this. I think the CASAA will need a lot more attack dogs though.

What CASAA really needs is many more vapers to join and financially support CASAA. The majority of vapers don't appear to be interested if vaping is banned or not.

 

[Petrodus]

The post with the link to Dr. Ellen Hahn's article was edited by a moderator
and the link was broken so not to give her Google Juice.

I understand not giving Google Juice thing ...
Just don't understand which authors are on the
Do-Not post list.

Maybe someone can jump in and expand on the subject
so I have a clue as to what not to post