Do extreme vapers turn off smokers from making the switch?

[Toxu]

First off, I have to say, I'm not fishing for reactions with provocative statements. I'm genuinely curious about other folks thoughts on this. I love blowing clouds, and I'm not alone. Cloud competitions have become normal, RDAs are becoming more popular with ProTank style atomizers becoming less. I've had smokers come up to me and ask about vaping while I used my Aerotank Mini and an EVOD, but that's never happened while I blew clouds with an rda outside of bars and whatnot. I've heard that it can be intimidating, and I can see why.

There's no way I'm faulting anyone for cloud chasing, I don't like being called one but I probably am. When I smoked, the person who got me to switch was using an original protank, and while I hadn't seen anyone use a mechanical mod, I don't think it would have appealed to me as a smoking alternative. So I'd like to know what you guys think, does extreme vaping repel smokers from making the switch?

Thanks guys!

 

[Ryedan]

High power vaping wasn't nearly as high powered or as popular as it is now when I started vaping, so I can't say how I felt about it from my own experience. IMO it probably does turn off a few people, but I think it probably attracts more smokers than it repels.

 

[Metimbo]

I'm fairly new to vaping (vaped some a year and a half ago, but never got into it) and am now 8 weeks analog free. I started with the cig-a-likes because they closely resembled my cigs. Most of my friends are smokers and their were no other vapers in the group really. I saw someone with a mech mod and an RDA, he also had a box mod. The clouds never bothered me, but the form factor just looked big and goofy to me and I really did't want to take one of those things around my friends to get made fun of lol. It wasn't until I got an Aspire BVC that I finally started to research everything and wanting a better vaping experience. Now I have an Aspire Atlantis on a CF Sub Ohm mod and I plan to order some mech mods and RDAs soon.

So, I guess to answer your question, the clouds didn't bother me but the form factor sure did.

~Metimbo

 

[ReigntheGamer]

It could but when I talk to a smoker about vaping I make it a point to let them know which end of the spectrum I am on. I am not a cloud chaser really it just so happens my gear, builds (.4-.7) and the juices like do produce a lot of vapor. And the equipment I use can be can kind of pricey but there is a middle ground and that they don't necessarily have to dive right into how I vape to make the switch.

The main thing is that I don't act like if they don't choose to vape like I do they are doing it wrong or it won't work for them. I just try to be personable, approachable and most importantly patient. Once someone starts asking about vaping you can be in for a long conversation if they have no idea of where to start. And I have had some people come up to me when I am running a lower ohm build with high VG juice and blowing some pretty serious clouds, it's usually what starts the conversation.

 

[James Wilson]

First off, I have to say, I'm not fishing for reactions with provocative statements. I'm genuinely curious about other folks thoughts on this. I love blowing clouds, and I'm not alone. Cloud competitions have become normal, RDAs are becoming more popular with ProTank style atomizers becoming less. I've had smokers come up to me and ask about vaping while I used my Aerotank Mini and an EVOD, but that's never happened while I blew clouds with an RDA outside of bars and whatnot. I've heard that it can be intimidating, and I can see why.

There's no way I'm faulting anyone for cloud chasing, I don't like being called one but I probably am. When I smoked, the person who got me to switch was using an original protank, and while I hadn't seen anyone use a mechanical mod, I don't think it would have appealed to me as a smoking alternative. So I'd like to know what you guys think, does extreme vaping repel smokers from making the switch?

Thanks guys!

Protank style becoming less popular? Not sure how it is where your at but that isn't the case here and in a lot of other places. Many vapors want to keep it simple. Hell your aerotank mini isn't much different then the protank and it fits into the same category. I have an aerotank mini myself. What smokers are looking for usually is something simple enough they won't get frustrated. This is primarly the main reason these set ups are so popular. Set yourself up with a good tank along with a good VV/VW and put in the coil and your good to go. Hell my stock coils tend to usually last me about a month or so. Even after being off analogs for a while some of us still prefer to keep it simple. I haven't had an analog since September. I haven't had the urge to go over to a mech or anything else more complicated. There are a lot of people out there like that. Hell most vapors, even those into mechs usually have at least one or more set ups similar to myself. The difference is many of them do make build and rebuild their own coils. Not all of us are into cloud chasing either. Yeah I like clouds but I am more of a flavor chaser myself. I think when many smokers see the mechs they get intimidated. I know I did a bit. Theirs just so much they need to learn for most and it just seems too much of hassle for them. I have found though people do sometimes respond pretty well to my setup. Hell when I first started with this set up I met a guy at the laundry mat and let him try mine. He liked it and I wrote down the information. I do try to wipe the drip tip off though before doing things like that and I won't let them try it if they appear to be sick. But I do find the best way to convert a smoker or really get them interested is to let them try it. Not all take me up on it of course. But if they want to know something I answer them to the best of my knowledge.

 

[issy]

Just a few days ago, a cigalike vaper tried my setup. He was so impressed, and called me an advanced vaper and a veteran, pro etc.

I laughed...I have an istick with a smoktech tumbler bcc. $40. And I've only been vaping as long as my ticker says.

I guess it just made me realize that there is a pre-concieved notion about vaping hierarchy, whether we agree with it or not. Usually vapers follow a progression....smoker, cigalike, ego, vv/vw, mech, cloudchaser. Obviously there are variations. As a smoker, I related to cigalike users, and talked to them. As a cigalike user, I thought regulated stick batteries were the next step up. Now I'm at my istick, and I see where this is going. I think cloudchasing might be so far removed from being ciggies, a smoker just might not relate to that kind of vaper. Not deterred, but just at a different place. And for some personalities that doesn't apply at all, because some people just go for it lol.

Because the industry has been so fluid as to what's the current technology, the dynamic is constantly changing as well. Clearomizers had just come out when I had my first cigalike, so that's where my progression idea comes from.

Ramble ramble.

 

[Sgt.Rock]

Did my uncle's billowing clouds from his meerschaum after holiday dinners turn me off to smoking tobacco?

Nope. Smelled pretty good to me as far as I can remember.

Doesn't exactly translate but comes pretty close...

 

[FRSguy]

I have been vaping since October ... my wife dosnt so as a result she sits out in the freezing cold each night to have a cig. Anyway. What turns her off from it is that the mods I use are so large and she thinks it looks stupid. Also, with me when I first got in to it I didnt start with the gas station cig-a-likes but rather went online and wanted to find a good mod fit for me. What I ran in to was total confusion! I didnt find this site until after I had been vaping a month or so which is kind of a good thing as it would have added to the confusion. It was almost impossible to find a web site that really had good information on what the hardware was really about and what all the acronyms meant. Obviously I am hooked because today I own an Evic,istick and sigelei and the Aspire N, the mini, the Atlantis and mutation x and am starting to build my own coils. If I could have found on the net quickly good solid info instead of having to piece it together it would have made things a lot easier. I think to a lot of smokers if you dont have friends that are in to it then everything is all confusing and intimidating.

 

[dgm76513]

Just today I was at school, taking a break outside near the smoking area. A guy from class joined me, but he was smoking a cigarette. He said he tried vaping with a "pen style with the wicks" (probably an ego with a ce4). He said he didn't feel satisfied.

So we're just talking about class stuff and I hit my sigelei box mod with the doge on it at 80 watts. My cloud whipped around in the wind and made him disappear for a second.

"I couldn't do that." he said. "That would kill my lungs."

So I pulled out my backup. My worn copper zmax with a nautilus and a long skinny drip tip and took a drag.

"That looks awesome! Where can I get one?"



Good observation, Toxu. You might be on to something.

 

[Grimwald]

I have 3 B&M stores in my town...maybe more. Two of these stores cater to more of the basic ego variety vaper and I have witnessed them helping smokers become new vapers with basic setups. They do have more advanced devices, but I don't believe they push those on newbies.

The other store is, IMO, more of a headshop. I don't have tats or piercings, but I doubt that I could ever have enough to fit in. A simple ego with a clearo is not available. While this type of store certainly fills a niche, I don't think it would benefit most new vapers.

Now I started on cigalikes and cartos....used them for 6 months. None of my B&Ms sell those (only gas stations and walmart). While I don't think a cigalike is an important step, I do think more smokers will switch if they have an easy first step. Perhaps an evod or ego/protank mini type setup. Plus, I think older smokers will be more comfortable with something that at least approaches a cigarette in size.

I have a lot of vape gear...thousands of dollars worth. However, I doubt that I would have been as eager to start vaping if thought I would need $200-300 just to get started. I also do not think that I would have liked a big 18650 size or box mod in the beginning.

Just more rambling...

 

[WillyZee]

It's not the cloud chasers scaring smokers from vaping ... it's the ANTZ

 

[caramel]

On the contrary, it's the puny cigalikes that make little to no vapor that kept me off. With no vapor in sight I suspected the whole stuff to be similar to the Nicorette inhaler - thus utterly useless for me. Only later did I see a gentleman with a big cloud around him and I started some deeper investigations into the matter.

 

[bullet08]

i vape the way i vape to meet my need. not to put off others or help them to switch over. beside, there isn't much place where i'll meet up with other folks. at work, there has been few asking about how easy it is to quit with vaping. i'm strickly mech mod, RDA, RTA guy. not chasing cloud at all.

 

[catalinaflyer]

I can tell you what is a turn off to would be vaper's as well as seasoned vaper's, that's walking into a vape shop that has the nasty cloud of fog hanging in it. A new shop opened near my home in Ohio and at that point I had been vaping over a year including cloud blowing but I walked through the door and the vapor was so thick I couldn't see the back of the store. Too bad as they had an awesome selection of gear as well as a mind blowing amount of high end juices. I just couldn't stand being in the middle of a fog box trying to do business with a half dozen cloud chasers with their sub-ohm mechanicals trying to out cloud each other.

I tried again to stop by one afternoon and I could see the fog through the windows from the parking lot so I left without even going in. Finally one morning I got there before all the hangers rolled out of bed and fogged the place up. The air was clear but the windows were a nasty mess after having only been open for a few weeks.

I have witnessed people coming into other vape shops for the first time and the presence of the hangers blowing clouds is very intimidating to them not to mention the uncomfortable feeling being in a fogged up retail business. No the fog is not as harmful as second hand smoke however people looking to make the switch for the first time are still accustomed to the stigma surrounding second hand smoke and as such view the fog in the store the same as the smoke coming from the smoking area at work that the non smokers loathe having to be in the same zip code. Do they really want to be part of this??

If the first time I walked into the vape shop they had been all clouded up and blowing their smoke signals I would have most likely walked out and walked away from vaping. I know now what is in that fog and understand that it's much less evil than the smoky back room at the pool hall but the visual aspect is still not pleasing. Look at photo's from vaping conventions, they look nasty from the smog hanging in the air. People who are new to vaping don't know the difference between the vapor coming from an RDA and the smog hanging over Los Angeles. If they can't get to the counter to be led down the path of a healthier choice then they will never know the difference and as such will spread false (hearsay) information about vaping.

 

[mcclintock]

I think it can definitely distract attention from the main point. Also it makes it seem like lesser devices might not be worth bothering with -- and enthusiasts saying a powerful dripper is far, far better doesn't help that. And if cheap devices don't seem worth bothering with, then the price will probably drive newbies away.

I'm only starting to experiment with better devices and I could be wrong, but I see it like this: of course if you're pulling in 2-5 times as much vapor there's going to be more flavor. But is the flavor to vapor ratio better? I'm skeptical ... I'm not even sure how you would measure that.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

I wouldn't say the physical act of "Power vaping" or "Cloud competitions" turn people off but...

Ever meet someone in to cars, really in to cars, they tend to look at those that aren't in to it as "not my type" and the feeling though not said is communicated through body action and stance on things. I myself have to be careful when around new vapors to not "Overwhelm" them when talking to them. I've also seen this from local stores where they will Assume that folks know certain things about ecigs when they don't.

As mentioned in a previous post that I will not bring up there are groups within the community that have either formed cliques or consider themselves "Elitist". This often can be seen with the "Authentic only" group which again if I were someone new and I've got a guy trying to push a "Authentic only or your not really vaping" attitude on me I'd be turned off right quick and leave myself.

We are the stewards to future generations and future ecig users, this is something to be proud of and likewise something to remember when talking with someone. Yah some of us are stuck in our ways, some of us like this over that like cloud chasing but that does not mean everyone will. Remember to talk with everyone new with an open heart and mind, listen to what they are asking you and not visa versa and you'll find more often then not they won't leave without at least giving it a go (and maybe you'll find a new friend out of it all and always remember to offer the solution that fits them, not you). We are leading this forwards folks, all of us playing a critical part on a battle front to affect decades to come. This I'm very proud to be a part of saving lives and educating folks along the way, and I'm very proud to be in the community helping everyone out.

 

[Justadude]

interesting thread, I'm actually going to lunch with a dude from work, we used to be buddies but he's a douche but in the same time I feel sorry for him. So I'm doing a good thing tomorrow and taking him to a vape shop so he can get hooked up and get off of cigarettes. I doubt he's gonna get into vaping hardcore but the alternative is gonna be the same for him as it was for us ex-smokers - to quit smoking yet keep the throat hit and so forth.

 

[Racehorse]

I have been vaping since October ... my wife dosnt so as a result she sits out in the freezing cold each night to have a cig. Anyway. What turns her off from it is that the mods I use are so large and she thinks it looks stupid.

Please let your wife look at this topic:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-us-your-girly-pretty-decorated-pink-157.html



kinda a famous topic now, and believe me, she will WANT to start vaping when she sees all the beautiful "girlie" stuff.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

interesting thread, I'm actually going to lunch with a dude from work, we used to be buddies but he's a douche but in the same time I feel sorry for him. So I'm doing a good thing tomorrow and taking him to a vape shop so he can get hooked up and get off of cigarettes. I doubt he's gonna get into vaping hardcore but the alternative is gonna be the same for him as it was for us ex-smokers - to quit smoking yet keep the throat hit and so forth.

Well, actually a common ground will often times turn things around for folks a lot of times, if you wanted to bring along a few different level of atomizers (Clearomizer style, Aspire and maybe a RBA) if you have them and maybe a few mods from say the Ego twist on up. A better understanding of the how's and why's things happen with ECigs pertaining to throat hit vs vapor..ect will better inform him to make a decision that will work long term. You might even find that he drops some of that attitude as well along the way

Good luck with it and thank you for helping out.

 

[granolaboy]

Nope. I think exactly the opposite.

Some of my friends tried the vaping thing, but found the egos and clearos just weren't cutting it. When they see my mech and dripper and the big clouds, they immediately want what I have, and as a result, they haven't gone back to smoking.

If they hadn't seen me cloud chasing, they would have likely given up on vaping and gone back to smoking.