Cloud chasing turning into a four letter word?

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AshMPWrites

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I was invited to my first cloud contest coming up here pretty soon, and personally...I'm pumped. I've heard that it can be dangerous -- but everything can be dangerous if the user is unwilling to learn about the safety precautions and take their time to learn.

The first thing I've told people about vaping is that there is absolutely a culture that comes with it. Part of that, IMO, is the seeing the different ways people are enjoying the vaping experience. I vape for nicotine and to get off cigarettes -- my husband vapes for flavor, and as a substitute for hookah and the occasional (very, very, very occasional) cigar. Whatever the reason, we both enjoy it and look forward to seeing more and educating ourselves. That's all.

ETA: I'm not "blowing clouds" nor is my husband, I want to make that totally clear. We're going to watch other people do it. We're pretty simple when it comes to our vaping -- we're more like point n' click folks over here with our vv/vw mods.
 

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Reckless, inconsiderate vapers make us look bad, period.

My only issue. Cloud chasing is all fine. I couldn't care less. But the first time I find someone blowing clouds in a movie theatre/in my direction at a restaurant, they WILL be getting their mod surgically removed from their rectum.

Otherwise, Nahhh. I couldn't care less. My main thought is... I vape the same at home as I do out and about. I would assume that most do. Are cloud chasers actually swapping out their fog machines when they go to places where it would be less than considerate to use them?
 

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IMO- much of the talk against cloud chasing is based on worry for the future of vaping as a whole. We are at a major crossroads as the regulatory framework is figured out. Any ammunition against us will be used like an 800lb anvil dropping. Cloud chasing has additonal inherent risk and dangers that typical gear does not. That can't be argued. And the majority of chasers do take precautions. But there is a growing number of young and/or inexperienced that don't. And it will lead to more accidents. At this stage in the game, we want to avoid that as much as possible.

I'm not against it at all. Those that enjoy it and exercise proper safety are kick ... in my book. It's the collateral damage that drives the negativity. Just wait until a 17 year old blows a battery up in mommy and daddy's house and read the headlines. I'll vomit in my mouth if it does. The bigger the group grows, the higher the chance of something going wrong and the negative press will flow like niagra falls.

I have every right to be concerned about the trend because it can possibly affect me directly from 1000 miles away. I'm sorry if being against the trend seems to group the good guys with the bad. It happens all the time with regulation. Good folks pay for the practices of the idiots. There are plenty of examples outside of the vape world.

I also worry about what may be discovered in high power sub ohm clouds. The odds favor that vapor produced that way could potentially carry greater health risks than low powered gear. And the volume of vapor can also be added to the equation. I personally don't believe vaping is 100% safe. There is a tradeoff somewhere. Regularly inhaling something other than air is more likely to cause harm than not doing it. Giant clouds in the lungs and mouth can potentially speed up whatever long term risk there may be.

I only bring up the health aspect because I'm worried about how it can affect me with pending regulations. ANTZ has been searching for the "smoking gun" for years. The more high powered gear becomes popular the more eyes will be on it. Events gather attention even if people aren't walking down the street doing it. And the numbers are growing by the day. I have valid reasons to be concerned about it at this point in the game. If regs pass and our freedom remains protected then my concerns go away immediately.
 

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Heh this may not be the most popular post ... :D

... but... the cloud chasers are the current Pariah caste of vapers. Used to be those to dared to stray below the 1 ohm mark. So, I am quite thankful I'm off the radar with my measly 0.7-0.9 builds. Thanks guys!

Nothing against sensible cloud chasing. Really. I just don't think it deserves the role as the highlight of vape meets. Nor do I like to see "cool kids" trying to outdumb each other on Youtube. Makes us vapers look like buffoons. So... for you sensible cloud chasers: It must suck to be lumped in with the cool kids. I know the feeling. I used to have to defend my preferred vape in the mention resistance range.
 

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. My main thought is... I vape the same at home as I do out and about. I would assume that most do. Are cloud chasers actually swapping out their fog machines when they go to places where it would be less than considerate to use them?

As a cloud chaser, I do swap gear when heading out in public, or to work. Billowing clouds are great for when I'm sitting on the couch, reading a book. To take my cloud machine out and about in public generates far too much attention, and I'd rather educate than become a spectacle.

There is an individual that frequents the local B&M who managed to vent a battery inside the shop less than a week after they opened. He was building unsafe coils, and then trying to convince the folks that were buying RDAs, or had just started rebuilding to allow him to build coils for them. He was asked to leave, and is no longer welcome in the shop. Individuals like this are the issue, safety needs to be drilled into anyone who chooses to build his/her own coils.

I have been trying to convince the owners to host a "rebuilding for beginners" class.

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Added the bit about the local shop
 
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This was not a sanctioned study by any means, but an employee at a local B&M took his dual 26650 Vapor giant with a .12 or .15 ohm build, fired it and use a scanning thermometer to read the temperature of the coils while firing and it barely went over 200 degrees. I have never seen a side by side with a protank coil or anything but I wouldn't expect it to be much different. The coil is wet, and there is airflow over it, it cant get too hot.

Sub-ohm has always been described as a warmer vape. Without a serious study breaking down the composition of the actual vapor being produced and then the composition of the actual vapor being exhaled we're guessing. I'm afraid we won't see such a study for some time, it's not a big enough percentage of the vape business at present.

200 degrees for a perfectly prepared coil and wick with just enough eliquid may vary greatly from real world vaping. Does the temp vary after one hit, two hits, three...? The cigalikes and protank types have been used in studies analyzing the vapor, not just a simple temperature measurement, and have found contaminants at very very low levels (ask any ANTZ). What difference does high wattage make, nobody knows for sure.
 

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I guess we won't know until the studies :/ the toxins could also bring coming from the manufacturing oils or the silica wicks from the cigalikes used in the studies. I am just speculating.

As to, does it get hotter hit after hit, my mouth would say no, at least not noticeably so.

Either way, I am sure that regardless of how you vape, it is still safer then cigs :)
 

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I vape the same at home as I do out and about. I would assume that most do. Are cloud chasers actually swapping out their fog machines when they go to places where it would be less than considerate to use them?

I definitely don't consider myself a cloud chaser, but I have several mech mods and drippers. I also have a VV/VW mod, a Kayfun, a few Protanks/Aerotanks, and an EVOD kit. Right now, I'm preferring my new Vulcan RDA on a Cartel mech mod at home. When I go out, though, I usually take the EVOD batteries with a Mini Protank 2 because it's so compact. Sometimes I take the Kayfun or the Aerotank with a VV/VW mod if it's more of a road trip and less of a walking around trip (i.e., driving to the store). I might take a dripper if carrying around a bottle of juice and worrying about the dripper leaking on me wasn't such a hassle, so I go smaller and compact. I'm sure you're correct, though. Most vapers probably just carry what they use at home.

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If it was so widespread, and causing such a huge outcry, don't you think we would? At the very least, those of us in urban areas? In this day and age of cell phone cams?

There should be someone crucified for blowing clouds every day! Still...never seen it. Not one single time. Ever.

I have no dog in this fight as I try not to pigeon-hole people into categories so I can publicly spank them on an internet forum. Cloud-chaser, flavor-chaser, chubby-chas... ah wait, different thing.

I don't care.

My only point was that just because I've not seen something occur in the wild does not mean it's not happening. I'm not even trying to relate it to vaping, it just annoys me that people use the argument of I've never seen it so that's BS.
 

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I guess we won't know until the studies :/ the toxins could also bring coming from the manufacturing oils or the silica wicks from the cigalikes used in the studies. I am just speculating.

As to, does it get hotter hit after hit, my mouth would say no, at least not noticeably so.

Either way, I am sure that regardless of how you vape, it is still safer then cigs :)

Amen brother!! :vapor:

It's the geeky, nerd, scientist side of me that would love to see actual numbers......:blush:
 

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In the shade, I hear what you're saying...but its equally annoying to hear so many people claim that people cloud chasing in public will ruin vaping when it seems nobody can do anything more than ASSUME its happening.

We definitely don't want anyone trying to prove it right, tho.

It would be the ultimate irony. Someone pointed out in another thread that even if flavors and nic e-liquids are banned, people can still get all they need to cloud chase. Kanthal, batteries and VG. Maybe cloud chasing is the only future of vaping :D

(Not at all a serious thought)
 

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I have never seen anyone blowing big clouds in public, other than in vape shops or at vape meets.

But whenever I see these young kids blowing their big clouds I IMAGINE them doing that while walking down the street.
Because I was a young kid once, and I hated social rules, so I can imagine that is something I might have done.

So it is pretty easy for me to imagine them doing that, whether they really are or not.
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Would it be an issue if they blew big clouds walking down a street? I mean it is outside which makes it not a confined space or private property. Personally I don't walk down the street all that often but when I do, or when I am walking through a parking lot, I vape just as comfortably and respectfully as I did when I smoked. I wait until people walk by before exhaling so its not "blown" into their face but if the wind brings it towards them, that not my fault, they have legs and the ability to avoid whatever they want, smoke, vapor, dog poo, loud unruly children, garbage, ect.. I don't see it necessary to change your vaping preferences just because you are walking on public property.

You may have meant "wherever/whenever they want like its no big deal" by "walking down the street" as opposed to literally walking down the street, but I still think my point is valid for most of what is being discussed. Especially since most of the discussion is theoretical since no one seems to have ever seen cloud chasers in public.
 
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