Do You Believe In Aliens or UFOs?
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But there is no evidence that any of those stars are orbited by life supporting planets - so any probability claiming the possible number of life-supporting planets is an assumption.
If there no evidence that there is anything but the carbon-based life only found on earth,you are speculating when you claim that there are other forms of life. There is 0 evidence supporting the possibility of forms of life different from what we define as life today. To make claims that we will eventually find other forms of life is again an an unwarranted assumption based on speculation rather than evidence.
There is a distinctive difference between belief and theory.
I do not believe in god.
I do believe in the theory of relativity.
Neither can be proved per se, however they are completely separate issues.
As to aliens/other life and the possibility thereof: who said that alien life has to be carbon based, visible in our light spectrum or even from our dimension?
How self-centered we humans are.We may never have the capacity to see, hear or understand alien life forms, assuming they exists. And considering what a short time we've been looking, and how pathetic our technology is (we can't even cure cancer yet) we don't stand a chance of detecting anything yet. Any other life forms are probably using this cool technology and our tech is so 'old school' they can't even pick up our signals.
Seeing isn't the only form of evidence and is often times the least objective form. For something to be considered as evidence in the scientific context its several properties must be measured using several methods and these measurements must be repeatable by an infinite number of people with the same results.
there are billions and billions of solar systems in the universe why do we have to be the only one with an advance animal ( we are the most advance animals in on earth )not body can explain how the old wonders of the world were created and they were created thousands years ago and not body can redo that at this moment.
are we toys? or are we the most stupid guys in the universe?
are we toys? or are we the most stupid guys in the universe?
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There is zero evidence that there is none either.
BTW where did all the buildings and cities on the Moon and Mars come from?
There are hundreds of photos conveniently provided by NASA of them, although mostly smudged over, still visible with photo enhancements though. GOOGLE it to see for yourself.
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The absence of evidence isn't the evidence of proof. There are no buildings and cities on the moon - where are the photos? Even if NASA is censoring them, Russia and China should have some pics and grabbed NASA by the balls.... Any conspiracy that the photos were smudged to hide civilization is pure speculation without pictures of the same sites taken by others..... free of enhancement and manipulation by NASA and conspiracy theorists .
.and what make you think that we are clever enough to have the evidence to prove that, 70 years ago nobody thought TV (television)could be real
IF, and I think there is life other place. The odds are just crazy for there not to be life in other places of the universe.
The thing is tho, how much of that life is smart, and able to use advanced tools like us. How long did it take for us to come out on top? Plus we could be whipped out in a Sec very easily to this day from one rock in the sky falling on us.
Just saying that their could be 100s of millions of planets with simple life on them only. It took almost 1 billion years for us to come out on top of our world. Also with that how many animals don't exist anymore, and are now extinct?
I really like the old Star Trek Voyager EP. where they ran into a really old species that evolved on earth but left millions of years before us. If that happened say 100 million years ago, who would be the ones that said that could not of happened? That EP was really thinking about how life could of taken place on earth.
Just look what we have done in 100 years on our little planet. 100 years is nothing....
I do think their is life, and I would think there is intelligent life other places. I just think that intelligent life would be some thing really really rare in the universe.
The thing is tho, how much of that life is smart, and able to use advanced tools like us. How long did it take for us to come out on top? Plus we could be whipped out in a Sec very easily to this day from one rock in the sky falling on us.
Just saying that their could be 100s of millions of planets with simple life on them only. It took almost 1 billion years for us to come out on top of our world. Also with that how many animals don't exist anymore, and are now extinct?
I really like the old Star Trek Voyager EP. where they ran into a really old species that evolved on earth but left millions of years before us. If that happened say 100 million years ago, who would be the ones that said that could not of happened? That EP was really thinking about how life could of taken place on earth.
Just look what we have done in 100 years on our little planet. 100 years is nothing....
I do think their is life, and I would think there is intelligent life other places. I just think that intelligent life would be some thing really really rare in the universe.
Hey-
I know this is off topic but that is why I posted it in the "off-topic" chat..
I have my personal views on the matter but was curious if anyone has had their own experiences/encounters or seen something in the sky that didn't look right or know someone that did..
I find Ufology fascinating and wanted to here some other viewpoints on the subject...
Well I don't really have an opinon on the subject, I belive there is really far too much unknown about the universe to allow anyone to make a truly educated guess. However, I tend to argue with the losing side, whichever it is as both sides are fairly compelling, whenever the topic comes up in a group conversation.
But it is still speculation to claim that there is life outside of earth without evidence. All evidence points to life being only found on earth - to make claims that we will find life outside of earth in the future is unwarranted and there is no evidence that we ever will. Hope may feel good but it doesn't make our predictions of the future true.
The odds are crazy for there to be life outside of earth. Life is only found on earth - there is 0 evidence that life exists outside of earth. So how can anyone claim that it is highly probably that there is life outside of earth when there is not a single shred of evidence of extraterrestial life? Just because it seems intuitive that there is life outside of earth doesn't mean it's true, especially since there is no evidence to back any claims of probability. Even the astronomers who are finding these "earth-like" planets never claim that they are evidence for life beyond earth because they know they will be laughed out of the scientific community for making baseless claims... just because a planet may have some features that could support life or may in fact have all the conditions required for life doesn't mean that the planet does have life... this can only be proven by actually going to the planet and directly observing and analyzing for the presence of life. Speculation is not evidence.
Seeing planets is really hard for us to do, and we are just starting to come up with ways on doing that. I say that we are really young still, and have a ton more to learn about the how things work before you can say the odds are really crazy.
No one knows what the right odds are, because we don't know 100% on how life started here. We are closer to understanding that tho. We can now make Viruses out of just matter. Some think that Viruses are a life form, and others don't think that they are.
If we could travel to new solar systems being born; we may find that the creation of life during the creation of a new star could be rare, or that it could be very common.
To say there is 0 evidence I think would be a wrong statement to say. Even tho we have not witnessed life in other places, and that other life has not said at least said hello here. That does not mean that we don't have 0 evidence that it could not happen in other places. We do have plenty of scientist that work in these different fields that are working on all sorts of different parts of the whole puzzle of the creation of ourselves alone.
No one knows what the right odds are, because we don't know 100% on how life started here. We are closer to understanding that tho. We can now make Viruses out of just matter. Some think that Viruses are a life form, and others don't think that they are.
If we could travel to new solar systems being born; we may find that the creation of life during the creation of a new star could be rare, or that it could be very common.
To say there is 0 evidence I think would be a wrong statement to say. Even tho we have not witnessed life in other places, and that other life has not said at least said hello here. That does not mean that we don't have 0 evidence that it could not happen in other places. We do have plenty of scientist that work in these different fields that are working on all sorts of different parts of the whole puzzle of the creation of ourselves alone.
Not according to many scientists.
So far. There was a time when people thought that Earth was the only planet too. And then there was a time when people thought that the solar system was unique in the galaxy. And then there was a time when people thought that the Milky Way was the only galaxy in the universe... get where this is going?
So, that means that it doesn't? Lack of evidence =/= lack of existence.
That's a complete non sequitur. If there were evidence of life beyond earth, there would be no reason to deal in probabilities anymore because life beyond earth would be proven.
Right. But no one here is claiming that they KNOW there's life beyond earth. They're speculating, just as you're speculating that there is none.
See above.
See above.
Meaningless. They don't hold back on such claims because they fear derision. They hold back on them because no one ever claimed that the existence of earth like planets means that there's life beyond earth, just that those planets are good places to start looking.
No one is claiming that. You're building a straw man here. YOU claimed that there are no planets "even remotely similar" to earth. That's an incorrect statement.
Not correct. Life could be detected in any number of ways that don't involve traveling to the planet itself.
No one ever claimed that.
The absence of evidence isn't the evidence of truth.... so to make any claims or probabilities that predict the existence of life on other planets is baseless speculation that cannot be considered as evidence that life exists beyond earth. It's not science - this is the main problem I find with believing in E.T. life. I used to believe that there was life outside of earth - until I learned how scientific knowledge develops.... All evidence to date points to life being exclusive to earth so it is just hopeful speculation to believe that there is life outside of earth and that we will eventually find it.
That's absolutely true.
But the speculation (and that's all it is) is based on some solid facts. We can count the number of visible stars. We can count the number of visible galaxies. We can see that many other stars have planets orbiting them, just like the sun does.
The reason we speak about probabilities is this: if even a tiny fraction of one percent of the stars we know exist have planets that could support life that would mean that there are many billions of such planets in the universe. We know that there's at least one example that has life on it. It's called Earth. The notion that such speculation is based on 0 facts simply isn't correct.
gashin. You're the only one making that argument. You're boxing with shadows. None of us has claimed that probability equals evidence. None of us has claimed that speculation equals evidence. That's something you keep injecting into the discussion and expecting us to defend. The reason we don't defend it isn't that you're right, but that we never made the argument in the first place.
So your saying/
If we come to a point on Earth, of understanding the whole big bang, and understanding how life was created when our little solar system was created.
That we could not take that Math Code(Which we do have some part of already); the code that should work everywhere in the universe not just in out little section. That if we used it in other places not one time would it not happen again? When we see the same kinds of stars over, and over in the sky? Why is it so easy to repeat the same star creation in the sky so many times? Using our own life math code from our solar system is not out of the loony bin of thinking....
That is Science, not just hopeful speculation of life.
If we come to a point on Earth, of understanding the whole big bang, and understanding how life was created when our little solar system was created.
That we could not take that Math Code(Which we do have some part of already); the code that should work everywhere in the universe not just in out little section. That if we used it in other places not one time would it not happen again? When we see the same kinds of stars over, and over in the sky? Why is it so easy to repeat the same star creation in the sky so many times? Using our own life math code from our solar system is not out of the loony bin of thinking....
That is Science, not just hopeful speculation of life.
The absence of evidence of truth isn't the evidence of fiction either. I belive the whole point of this thread is baseless speculation, aka, fun. We are not currently at a scientific level in our world where we could even begin to make a legitimate scientifically based hypothesis as to whether other life exists in the universe (intelligent or otherwise). There is no true evidence that we are the only life as we cannot even come close to cataloging every possibility in the Universe, we don't even know how many possibilities there are. The only difference between what a scientist says and what a non-scientist says is that one is considered baseless speculation and one is considered a hypothesis.
Oh, in addition to that back when we thought the world was flat as well as when we belived the earth to be the center of the universe, all evidence up to the dates those were proven wrong had pointed to those conclusions too, but they were still wrong weren't they. lol
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