What health risk would it pose for someone to start vaping with 0 nic juice though? I understand vaping nicotine juice is for people that are already addicted to nicotine, but starting to vape 0% juice if you were never a smoker harms you how? Also, it could be argued that Nicotine is no worse for your health than all the caffeine people take in. They are both stimulants, are both addictive, and both cause withdrawal symptoms when use is stopped. So, anyone who has anything negative to say about my nicotine intake better stop drinking pepsi, or coffee.
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"but a Quit Smoking product"
Personally I'd define it as a tobacco alternative. i've learned that in this climate I've got to play word games. It's a safer alternative to tobacco that MAY help people wean themselves off tobacco cigarettes. I still consider myself a smoker, when I lose my dependence on nicotine then I will be an ex-smoker. I am still holding a cigarette shaped object up to my lips and inhaling nicotine. If I eat lite ice cream I'm still an ice cream eater, I'm just reducing my risks. When and if I start vaping 0mg of nicotine, then I will be an ex-smoker and become a vaper in my mind.
Personally I'd define it as a tobacco alternative. i've learned that in this climate I've got to play word games. It's a safer alternative to tobacco that MAY help people wean themselves off tobacco cigarettes. I still consider myself a smoker, when I lose my dependence on nicotine then I will be an ex-smoker. I am still holding a cigarette shaped object up to my lips and inhaling nicotine. If I eat lite ice cream I'm still an ice cream eater, I'm just reducing my risks. When and if I start vaping 0mg of nicotine, then I will be an ex-smoker and become a vaper in my mind.
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I couldn't have said it better my self so happy vaping. We all have to stand up for our rights. Seem's like there is always soombody thats trying to take them away from us....
Well it deff cant be called smoking, Casue your not allowed to SMOKE where I work. But my boss lets me vape at my desk all day. BTW my boss just odered his. hehe
day 4 for me BTW yahooooooooo......
day 4 for me BTW yahooooooooo......
Smoking or vaping, why quibble about semantics? The point is that once most of use were smoking chemical laden coffin nails and now we are smoking/vaping glycol, nic and flavoring.
Hey, My teeth are whiter, I don't stink of tobacco, I don't cough anymore, I can climb stair without being out of breath, and I don't have to go outside to smoke/vape!
Hey, My teeth are whiter, I don't stink of tobacco, I don't cough anymore, I can climb stair without being out of breath, and I don't have to go outside to smoke/vape!
Would someone using an NRT nicotine inhaler still be classed as a smoker? Are they considered as such when you see them using one on a plane? I would think that they would be percieved as an ex smoker or at least some one who is trying to give up.
The only difference between that and a vaper is the visual presence of the vapor, and that is vapor..not smoke.
Therefore i vape.
The only difference between that and a vaper is the visual presence of the vapor, and that is vapor..not smoke.
Therefore i vape.
What you just said contradicts your statement. You'd still be holding a cigarette shaped object to your lips and inhaling something. Nicotine is also found in tomato, but people who eat tomato aren't considered smokers at all. You are a vaper, who is simply addicted to nicotine. No worse than a coffee drinker who is addicted to caffeine. The comparison to ice cream and lite ice cream isn't relevant, considering it's still ice cream. Vapor is not light smoke, it's not "smoke" at all.
I've said this before on other threads....this "it's not smoking, it's vaping" and "I'm not a smoker I'm a vapor" debate happens weekly along with all the Websters and Wiki definitions of what smoking is or isn't...
Being a "smoker".... Well it really sucks, this addiction isn't just nicotine, it's two fold....It's an addiction of an "Act" as well and I contend they both are equally as hard to overcome.
If it were strictly a nicotine addiction, then there would be much higher success rates with gum, patches, drugs, ect....ect... as long as the person were slowly cutting back the nicotine levels... But the success rate is not all that great because smokers are equally addicted to the "Act" of smoking...
Which brings us to e-cigs... Many of us have been able to completely stop smoking cigarettes with these devices... Why? Well the truth is, because we aren't really having to address or really "quit" either of the addictions. It's like having our cake and eating it too.. This goes against all the laws of the universe...and I think deep inside we all know it, which is to say, it's too good to be true...
These are just my opinions and feel free to fire the flaming arrows my way, because we all know the worst non smoker is the .....ex smoker...LOL
Here is the hard question you have to ask yourself.... If ALL your "vaping" supply's were taken away today, and you had no way to replace them.... How long would you make it until you pulled over and bought a pack of smokes? This question is for you alone, no need to answer it publicly.. But when your real honest with yourself with the answer....It will tell you if you are still a smoker....
I'm now 28 days without a cigarette...but I'm not so bold as to call myself a non smoker....the addiction is far to evil...I will have to gaurd myelf everyday of my life to not "just have one"...
Good luck to everyone using the e-cig... I personally hope to work my nicotine down to 0mg... and then begin to break the other side of the addiction....the "Act" of smoking
For me it's not about symantics "Smoke" vs "Vapor", it's about the whole addiction
Being a "smoker".... Well it really sucks, this addiction isn't just nicotine, it's two fold....It's an addiction of an "Act" as well and I contend they both are equally as hard to overcome.
If it were strictly a nicotine addiction, then there would be much higher success rates with gum, patches, drugs, ect....ect... as long as the person were slowly cutting back the nicotine levels... But the success rate is not all that great because smokers are equally addicted to the "Act" of smoking...
Which brings us to e-cigs... Many of us have been able to completely stop smoking cigarettes with these devices... Why? Well the truth is, because we aren't really having to address or really "quit" either of the addictions. It's like having our cake and eating it too.. This goes against all the laws of the universe...and I think deep inside we all know it, which is to say, it's too good to be true...
These are just my opinions and feel free to fire the flaming arrows my way, because we all know the worst non smoker is the .....ex smoker...LOL
Here is the hard question you have to ask yourself.... If ALL your "vaping" supply's were taken away today, and you had no way to replace them.... How long would you make it until you pulled over and bought a pack of smokes? This question is for you alone, no need to answer it publicly.. But when your real honest with yourself with the answer....It will tell you if you are still a smoker....
I'm now 28 days without a cigarette...but I'm not so bold as to call myself a non smoker....the addiction is far to evil...I will have to gaurd myelf everyday of my life to not "just have one"...
Good luck to everyone using the e-cig... I personally hope to work my nicotine down to 0mg... and then begin to break the other side of the addiction....the "Act" of smoking
For me it's not about symantics "Smoke" vs "Vapor", it's about the whole addiction
I'm really getting tired of this same old argument.
A smoker draws carcinogenic burning tobacco in the lungs. A vaper no longer does that. A smoker and a vapor are two different people. One is a smoker; the other is NOT a smoker.
Some vapers insist on labeling themselves and other vapers as smokers. It is annoying and factually incorrect. Please stop it.
Just wait till your over a YEAR in, and you still can't quit the vapping habit. I wake up in the morning now with the same damn nic fits I had when I used cigs.
The novelty does wear off at some point, and when it does you realize that you are still a smoker. Like someone else said in this thread it's Smoking 2.0. Yes, I feel better, but I still have a nasty habit that I still can't seem to drop.
I often wonder how many people really quit for good using these. Or is it just an Alternative which means it's the same as being a smoker.
The novelty does wear off at some point, and when it does you realize that you are still a smoker. Like someone else said in this thread it's Smoking 2.0. Yes, I feel better, but I still have a nasty habit that I still can't seem to drop.
I often wonder how many people really quit for good using these. Or is it just an Alternative which means it's the same as being a smoker.
I see the smoke as being from something that is literally burning. Something that needed fire to start. That is where smoke is from. A coil that heats up without a flame that creates vapor is not making smoke anymore it's making vapor, hence the name of vapors and why vaporing people hate the term smoking
YOU are still a smoker because you've convinced yourself that you are. I am NOT a smoker because I no longer smoke.
I'm not giving up nicotine any time soon. I'm also not giving up caffeine. Neither is carcinogenic, so it's not a problem for me. Neither is a "nasty habit" either. There's nothing nasty about vaping - but there's plenty of nasty about smoking. I'm glad I quit. Too bad you haven't... in your own mind.
I forget how bad some people can't accept being a smoker still in a different form.
I'm glad you all decided to go to the light side of things like me tho.
And just cause I made so many people mad(didn't mean too either)I get to post a picture!
I'm glad you all decided to go to the light side of things like me tho.
And just cause I made so many people mad(didn't mean too either)I get to post a picture!
Errrmmm....What ever you say.
this is merely my opinion but people feel comfortable with their own terms for example i have a electronic smoker for my ham i dont say i vaping a ham to me im smoking a ham if that make sense
btw i do love vaping and i hope the ecig ban in ny doesnt get passed im cool with not selling to minors even not vaping in store if it offends people but please o please dont let them make the product illegal
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For the First time since i can remember, I feel good about vaping. As I know (form publicly available information) I am not causing any harm to my self, or anyone else. What a great feeling!! DaMulta no worries, to each their own. The Fact is, we dont smoke the trash we use to! We are all on the right path. I have no concerns about vaping, i am not worried about anything with it. Yes I woke up this morning looking for my ecig, but honestly, how is that different then my coffee run on my way to work?
Its great, we are all so friggen lucky! And as someone else said in this thread, it IS UP TO US to educate others about the health benifiates. I have actually convinced 3 other people on it (smokers). One is ordered already and im so close to getting the other two on board and buy their first starter kit. I actually convinced my father (smoker for 35+ years) to get one.
It is funny thou, am i being a pusher of something bad...no, I dont think so. That way of thinking is the product of years and years hearing that smoking is bad. But, this isnt your tradtional smoking...I like how someone said, its Smoking 2.0 = healthy.
Its great, we are all so friggen lucky! And as someone else said in this thread, it IS UP TO US to educate others about the health benifiates. I have actually convinced 3 other people on it (smokers). One is ordered already and im so close to getting the other two on board and buy their first starter kit. I actually convinced my father (smoker for 35+ years) to get one.
It is funny thou, am i being a pusher of something bad...no, I dont think so. That way of thinking is the product of years and years hearing that smoking is bad. But, this isnt your tradtional smoking...I like how someone said, its Smoking 2.0 = healthy.
My opinion is that we should be trying to differentiate vaping from smoking as much as possible. We should not want the public associating vaping with smoking in any way. We want it to be accepted by everyone, smokers and non-smokers alike. If the general public views vaping as a type of smoking then they are more likely to be against it due to the negative conotations of smoking.
Thats a great idea! it would be nice if the news could get on board and actually report something without putting THEIR SPONSORS views in them. Know what i mean? But yeah, I think you are 100% right. They shouldnt be 'clumped' together.
I disagree, if it is not smoking, then it is not a tobacco product so, is a drug delivery device and, that would need to be tested and FDA approved. If it's smoking, it's a tobacco product and will be taxed but, we won't lose it to the FDA.
So, yep, electronic cigarette is still a cigarette of some kind, keep it that way, just a new tobacco product, new lighterless, oderless (nearly), less disposable/expendable (super long lasting) brand but, yep cigarettes none the less.
So, yep, electronic cigarette is still a cigarette of some kind, keep it that way, just a new tobacco product, new lighterless, oderless (nearly), less disposable/expendable (super long lasting) brand but, yep cigarettes none the less.
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