Do you know a lot of "non-smoker" vaporers?

[pipskicks]

That title is weird, and I didn't know where to place this thread. What I mean by a "non-smoking" person is someone who never smoked previously, yet when introduced to ecigs, they picked it up (for now I'm curious 0 nicotine or not, but I'm assuming since there are 0 nicotine options, rather I'm HOPING, people opt to just vape 0 nicotine).

The reason I ask is that my girlfriend really liked vaping. I was worried about 0 nicotine so I went searching for some, went onto DIY, but she's settled on the TV doublers (I got from the coop). She literally vapes more than me when she is with me (doesn't have her own stuff etc.) but she literally with finish a carto, and I'm like "HUH??" I'd be halfway done at that point!

Just interesting, if people are vaping at 0 nicotine, I don't think it's such a big deal. However, if a lot of previously non-smokers are picking up vaping, even at 0 nicotine, this is not going to be good "number-wise."
What I mean by that is all the FDA needs to do is throw a number like..."X amount of non-smokers are now smoking electric cigarettes." Of course the 0 nicotine would get left out like every other skewed statistic.

Maybe I'm the only one paranoid about that issue, but I'm still sort of curious as to if non-smokers have picked it up in any significant numbers. As a previous smoker, if I had this available (even if I used 0 nicotine) I'm not quite sure if I would have ended up smoking cigarettes or not. Definitely an interesting "what if."

 

[Leezon]

Personally I really wouldn't recommend people start vaping if they didn't smoke. As it does result in a 'smoke' 'throat hit' habit, even if it's not nicotine.

I see vaping as the most glorious way of giving up smoking analogs. It tastes great and I love it.. and haven't smoke an analog since.

But I would never try to get a non-smoker vaping.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Dudeman]

Personally I really wouldn't recommend people start vaping if they didn't smoke. As it does result in a 'smoke' 'throat hit' habit, even if it's not nicotine.

I see vaping as the most glorious way of giving up smoking analogs. It tastes great and I love it.. and haven't smoke an analog since.

But I would never try to get a non-smoker vaping.

Just my 2 cents

I have to agree with this. The habbit can be as bad or worse than the addiction.

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

Yours (i.e., your girlfriend's) is the only story I've heard of a non-smoker who starter vaping. I imagine there are a few others.

What adults do is up to them (within the confines of the law), but e-cigs are only intended for and marketed to adults who smoke (or who did and now vape). To promote vaping otherwise is to get us into a load of trouble.

That said, I hope your girlfriend enjoys vaping ... and never ever uses nicotine!

 

[Israfil]

My cousin likes the scent of my liquids so much that now that I've started experimenting with my own flavorings he wants to try the juices with me. (at 0 nic of course)

Seeing as I have no reason to vape 0 nic and I use it as a testbed for flavoring amounts instead of wasting precious nicotine, I'm looking forward to having a use for my extra 0nic and extra devices I've made.

Curiosity I guess, but he seems really into it so I can't tell him no.

 

[DC2]

There is a poll here, and I'm pretty sure less than 1% of vapers were non-smokers when they started.
Your girlfriend is, at least currently, very much a statistical anomaly.

 

[Kent C]

Her life - her choice.

 

[zelda]

I don't think a non-smoker should ever start vaping. But I also think vaping should only be done by people with a long history of smoking. I worry when I see young smokers in their early 20s start vaping.

 

[Leezon]

I worry when I see young smokers in their
early 20s start vaping.

I don't see that as a band thing at all. If they were smokers and now they vape... that's a good thing

 

[dubd1c3]

I don't think a non-smoker should ever start vaping. But I also think vaping should only be
done by people with a long history of smoking. I worry when I see young smokers in their
early 20s start vaping.

I don't understand this. I am a young smoker in my early 20s and I have switched to vaping. Luckily, vaping came along when I was a 5 year smoker instead of a 25 year smoker.

I will be quite honest, vaping hasn't really captivated my age bracket as I had originally thought. I vape in public and people don't seem to be that interested in it, smokers I mean. Apparently young smokers even in their early-mid 20s aren't very concerned with the health impacts of their habit, or the idea of smoking alternatives.

Even if vaping were exactly as dangerous as smoking, I'd switch just for the technological aspect of it. So I don't understand the lack of interest in my age group.

I really don't understand your position, though. The best thing for a young smoker to do is not smoke. One way is to quit- another is to vape instead.

I'd like to see some reverse peer pressure in effect to get smokers to think vaping is cooler than smoking, honestly.

Please elaborate on your position.

 

[Israfil]

Aww Zelda, don't be like that.
I'm only 24, yes, but I started smoking when I was about 8 years old. Used to steal one of my dad's packs each day, poor guy thought he was just smoking two packs of ultralights a day... Tried literally everything on the market before I found vaping, which finally worked.

Thought it was cool, and back then it sure seemed like it. I still think the look is cool and LOVE blowing out huge clouds of vapor, playing around making rings, etc.

 

[zelda]

Is vaping safer than smoking - sure but I still think the best thing to do is not to smoke or vape. You might have been smoking at 8 but I doubt you were smoking a pack a day for many years. Vaping is safer than cigarettes but it is not as safe as breathing clean air.
I just think it's a lot easier to break an addiction to nicotine when you're younger and haven't smoked for decades. Because it does become more and more difficult the longer you do it.
I also believe one of the reasons the FDA will probably use to ban ecgs if and when they do is young people find it cool to vape.


Just my 2 cents.
.

 

[Israfil]

Ah but that's the rub really, I didn't start trying to quit until I was about 21-22, so I had been smoking a pack a day for over 10 years. Once I tried...well...it was friggin tough. Longest I was able to avoid it was for a few months on chantix, but I was just a horrible angry person for those few months and eventually I caved.

To my knowledge (based on my knowledge of chemicals and the human body), vaping is about as harmless as my caffeine intake..probably even less harmful than the amount of soda I drink really...

 

[cliff5550]

On occasion we get someone in here who does not smoke but is considering taking up vaping. The most common response is "if you don't, then don't."

 

[zelda]

Perhaps instead of age I should just say anyone who hasn't been smoking long. I think vaping is safer than smoking but not without risk. A low risk maybe in your 20s but still a risk,

 

[dubd1c3]

Zelda,

The FDA will use whatever information they can find against e-cigs if they decide that's what they want to do. To suggest that young people shouldn't seek out alternatives, or to say that seeing young people vaping concerns you is suggesting that young people should either smoke or quit. 4400 young people between 12 and 17 try cigarettes for the first time every day. About 1400 of them will eventually become regular smokers by the time they turn 18. Why do some of them become smokers, and some of them don't? Is it because they become addicted to nicotine? I agree, to a degree.

I say that people become addicted to nicotine just like people become addicted to alcohol, sex, coke, eating, anything. People become addicted to pain! Addiction happens. There's this "known fact" that as you smoke, your body develops a "tolerance" to nicotine which causes you to smoke more and more. They make it seem like everyone becomes a 1PAD or a 2PAD or a 3PAD smoker eventually. This cannot possibly be the case. Some people become addicted to smoking, some people don't. Some people use cigarettes, some people abuse them.

I started smoking at 18.5, and I did become a regular smoker. But why? I quickly noticed benefits from nicotine. Smoking both relaxed me and energized me. I became more focused and more sociable. Smoking improved my ability to interact with the world. When I was depressed, smoking made life suck less.

I was up to about 0.5 pack/day after about 2 years- sometimes a pack in one day if needed. As I needed cigs less, my smoking decreased, and decreased and decreased all by itself, until I was down to about 5 packs per month. Then I found and started vaping.

Most people who decide to quit do so without outside help, including NRT. Yes- the majority of people who quit smoking literally just walk away. No NRT, no couseling, no hypnosis, and of course, no rehab. Addictive? I question the thought. All people who decide to quit smoking succeed. I believe quit rates are so terrible because 9 times out of 10 it is an external factor that prompted the quit attempt. All people who DECIDE to quit smoking succeed.

A woman who smoked for many years had 'tried everything to quit.' Nothing seemed to work. A few times she made it a few months only to find herself smoking once again. It appeared she was addicted to cigarettes. One day, her very young son came home from school crying. She asked him what was the matter, and the boy said another boy at school told him she was going to die. She assured her son this would not happen. Tears in his eyes, he told her the boy said she would die because she smoked, and he didn't want her to die. From that moment, she never smoked another cigarette.

ALL PEOPLE WHO DECIDE TO QUIT SUCCEED.

Where am I going with all these words? I say all this because I disagree with the notion that 'all people who start smoking are idiots or need to be fixed.' People start smoking for different reasons, and people who become smokers do so for different reasons. It's not just addiction. Thank God for vaping, as nicotine and the ritual of smoking gives me an improved quality of life. I enjoy the activity, and I enjoy the benefits of nicotine. The same benefits should be available to anyone who may legally enjoy them.

So where someone sees a smoker and sees a problem that needs to be solved, I see a person doing a thing. And I say thank God that person has such a fulfilling alternative as vaping.

 

[The Fool]

dubd1c3 I have to respectfully disagree with you. I think that you are trying to make the action of quiting an addiction into something way too simplistic. You make it sound as if it were a matter of will power and that if ya really really wanted to quit well then you could. There are those among us that have an addictive personality that means when it comes to giving things up the playing field is not level. Feel grateful that you were able to give up cigarettes the way you have and try not to judge those who haven't been able to so harshly. We can never truly know what is in someone else's heart.

That said, although I would never wish a nicotine addiction on anyone, if I want to enjoy my freedom to vape, then I need to support every other consenting adults right to also. IMHO

 

[pipskicks]

Ah but that's the rub really, I didn't start trying to quit until I was about 21-22, so I had been smoking a pack a day for over 10 years. Once I tried...well...it was friggin tough. Longest I was able to avoid it was for a few months on chantix, but I was just a horrible angry person for those few months and eventually I caved.

To my knowledge (based on my knowledge of chemicals and the human body), vaping is about as harmless as my caffeine intake..probably even less harmful than the amount of soda I drink really...

Not trying to start a big argument, but as safe as vaping is, I still think nicotine is a carcinogen and worse than coffee.

 

[JustKryssi]

I disagree with Dub to a point. I believe that smoking can be a two part thing: the addiction and the habit. I have NO problem giving up the nicotine...it's the habit I can't give up so easily.

In all the times I tried to quit, I went back because nothing could replace the hand to mouth, inhaling and exhaling thing. And then I found vaping.

I quit smoking and nicotine on the same day as I started vaping. Other than some problems focusing and a few light cravings, I did just fine and within two weeks had no more nic cravings. It's now over a month and I feel like I have truly quit for good.

As for the OP, I don't know anyone, as of yet, who has picked up on vaping as a non-smoker. I do know that there are people with addictive personalities and people who have anxiety. I would certainly wish for them to vape 0mg as opposed to smoking or drinking or meds, if they were hell bent on using something to relax.

 

[Drozd]

Not trying to start a big argument, but as safe as vaping is, I still think nicotine is a carcinogen and worse than coffee.

nicotine itself is not carcinogenic....in fact nicotine therapy is now being explored and used for several other diseases such as parkinsons, alzheimers, crohns, ulcerative colitis, ADD, ADHD, and several mental disorders...