Do You Vape? Not In U.S. National Parks!

[Completely Average]

Link?

Link please?

News (U.S. National Park Service)

The policy memorandum establishes National Park Service guidance on the use of ENDS (Electronic Nicotine Delivery System) and is effective immediately. Under this guidance, the use of ENDS will not be allowed within all facilities and vehicles that are Government owned or leased, and within all national park concessions facilities.

You can't vape in the ranger station, in the concession shops, or in government vehicles. That's ALL that is banned.

Feel free to vape anywhere else.

 

[Completely Average]

National Park Service Bans E-Cigarette Use Where Smoking Prohibited - US News

Pay attention to the first paragraph. That contradicts Completely Averages statements about vaping only being banned in concession areas and government vehicles.

Jeremy Barnum, a spokesman for the Park Service, says if a park superintendent now decides to restrict outdoor smoking for reasons such as preventing forest fires, that restriction also would apply to electronic cigarettes.

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News (U.S. National Park Service)

Pay attention to the LAST paragraph, where they specifically and very clearly tell you precisely where vaping will be banned.

will not be allowed within all facilities and vehicles that are Government owned or leased, and within all national park concessions facilities

That's pretty clear right there. No guess work involved.


And unlike you, my source IS the National Park Service, not some junky "news" site that only reports part of the press release. Straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[David Wolf]

You can't light fires in certain areas of national parks. You can't camp in certain national parks, you can't even get off the trail in certain national parks

This is really nothing new, there are a lot of can't do's in national parks. I'm not saying punish every one because of that guy but it seems here lately that anytime people that vape get together, they're all that guy.

I'm saying people need to have respect for others be it smoking, vaping, drinking, car stereo, home stereo, etc.

No too many people think they can do whatever they want whenever they want. People seem to have forgotten a thing called respect.

I believe people have the right to do what they want until it gets to the point of affecting other people or their property.

This is just like people fussing their jobs won't let them vape inside, yet they never smoked inside. Like I said if you don't like the rules of places, don't go, its not required anyone go to a park.

My kids school doesn't allow tobacco or vaping, guess they're evil and wrong or........ maybe they don't want kids to see adults using tobacco or vaping, in a vein attempt of stopping the habit before it starts.

Also nonsmokers are the reason we have smoking bans and vaping bans. So I guess the park service did listen to what a lot of the country wanted.

Also I have nothing against cloud chasing, do it myself at times. The things is there are still a lot of people on the fence about vaping and groups (usually younger adults) do this in public, then the media reports someone hurt. The spin begins even if the two aren't related. The fact is the more people that aren't respectful to others in public, are going to be the ones who help usher in regulations.

People gotta quit the do what I want attitude, the world doesn't revolve around you. (If this part offends you, its your own guilt, if you're not this person bet you know someone who is, lol)

What people should do is quit telling OTHER people what THEY gotta do.

 

[hashtag]

Vaping Could Save the World, but Toxic Masculinity Is Holding It Back - Mic

I always felt like vaping was a bit feminine, I think that is why they market it as masculine. Takes a bit of extra effort to make it feel manly. Look at our word for less cloudy vapors, not a lot of dudes want to proudly exclaim they are a Tootle puffer.

 

[FringeChief68]

News (U.S. National Park Service)



You can't vape in the ranger station, in the concession shops, or in government vehicles. That's ALL that is banned.

Feel free to vape anywhere else.

News (U.S. National Park Service)

Pay attention to the LAST paragraph, where they specifically and very clearly tell you precisely where vaping will be banned.



That's pretty clear right there. No guess work involved.


And unlike you, my source IS the National Park Service, not some junky "news" site that only reports part of the press release. Straight from the horse's mouth.

But the First paragraph says,
"WASHINGTON: National Park Service Director Jonathan B. Jarvis today issued a policy memorandum prohibiting the use of electronic smoking devices in all places where tobacco smoking is prohibited in national parks."
So then you got to go to read the Director's Order [HASHTAG]#50D[/HASHTAG] Smoking Policy http://www.nps.gov/policy/DOrders/DO_50D.pdf
Which to me means Vaping now falls under Smoking, and if your at a area with a designated smoking area, then that's where you will have to vape at.
Or am I wrong in my thinking?

 

[FringeChief68]

I mean if it was that simple then I don't think the President of the American Vaping Association Gregory Conley, would be upset about it.
Gregory Conley quote to the U.S. News,
"The National Park Service should leave ex-smokers alone and let them camp and hike in peace."

 

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News (U.S. National Park Service)

Pay attention to the LAST paragraph, where they specifically and very clearly tell you precisely where vaping will be banned.



That's pretty clear right there. No guess work involved.


And unlike you, my source IS the National Park Service, not some junky "news" site that only reports part of the press release. Straight from the horse's mouth.

I wasnt aware that U.S News and World Report was now considered a junky news site.

Maybe youre young and just dont know any better but you lost a LOT of credibility with just that one statement.

Did you also miss the part where they stated that if a park superintendent now decides to restrict outdoor smoking for reasons such as preventing forest fires, that restriction also would apply to electronic cigarettes?

Why?

Theres no fire hazard from electronic cigarette usage. Not unless youre deliberately pulling the cap off your rda and putting the hot coils on dry grass.

In which case, that would be arson.

 

[FringeChief68]

I always felt like vaping was a bit feminine, I think that is why they market it as masculine. Takes a bit of extra effort to make it feel manly. Look at our word for less cloudy vapors, not a lot of dudes want to proudly exclaim they are a Tootle puffer.

I'm just tired of hearing people complain about Vape Models. Sex Sales it always did and it always will.
Just think how many TV Ad commercials are on TV in one day, then think of how many have a beautiful model or celebrity trying to sale you something.
It's been that way in All Ads since advertising was invented
But when the Vape industry does it, people get upset
These people that are upset should watch a NFL game and check out them cheerleaders
Good Clean Family Fun There

 

[FringeChief68]

I'm going to have to try this

The root of all Evil

 

[Vape Suzette]

What a PANT LOAD!!! Passive smoking, my ..... Stinking up the great outdoors! Geez Like it's going to stop me. There is no one around for miles when I am up in the mountains. What are they smoking?

 

[Racehorse]

Some days I think the only hope for mankind is a near extinction level event...

Some days I think the only hope for nature is a near extinction level event.....of mankind.

 

[Racehorse]

I think vaping should be allowed in "some" areas...

I am tired of bringing garbage bags to wilderness areas to clean up after people.

There is nothing worse and more depressing than seeing a cigarette .... out in the forest wilderness.

 

[robert walters]

Has anyone seen the CDC TESTING RESULTS FOR VAPING YET IT STATES THAT SECOND HAND VAPE CLOUD HAS absolutely no harmful effects what so ever. Look it up guys, I still don't vape in public places like this so don't get me wrong but just saying, this guy needs to get education on vaping instead of following government recommendation

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[Completely Average]

But the First paragraph says,
"WASHINGTON: National Park Service Director Jonathan B. Jarvis today issued a policy memorandum prohibiting the use of electronic smoking devices in all places where tobacco smoking is prohibited in national parks."
So then you got to go to read the Director's Order [HASHTAG]#50D[/HASHTAG] Smoking Policy http://www.nps.gov/policy/DOrders/DO_50D.pdf
Which to me means Vaping now falls under Smoking, and if your at a area with a designated smoking area, then that's where you will have to vape at.
Or am I wrong in my thinking?

Go to Page 2 and read the second paragraph. It applies to INTERIOR spaces.

The outdoor smoking area is setup to prevent smoking INDOORS. National Parks do not have outdoor smoking areas, except at the park ranger station and concession stores.

***** There is an exception. There is no smoking in Carlsbad Caverns nor Mammoth Cave. You will not be able to vape in these cave systems either due to possible damage the residue can do to the cave structures. You're also not allowed to touch the cave structures because the oils on your hand can damage the structures as well.

 

[FringeChief68]

Go to Page 2 and read the second paragraph. It applies to INTERIOR spaces.

The outdoor smoking area is setup to prevent smoking INDOORS. National Parks do not have outdoor smoking areas, except at the park ranger station and concession stores.

***** There is an exception. There is no smoking in Carlsbad Caverns nor Mammoth Cave. You will not be able to vape in these cave systems either due to possible damage the residue can do to the cave structures. You're also not allowed to touch the cave structures because the oils on your hand can damage the structures as well.

I understand the Caves & Caverns, and that makes sense.

It don't matter what paragraph you read, because now ever word in the Director's Order [HASHTAG]#50D[/HASHTAG] now applies to Vaping, and that's not right and that's why every vaper should be upset with this.
I even understand that people that don't know what vaping is gets scared when they see it, and I understand even some Vapers or non Vapers that do know what vaping is, don't want big clouds blown in theirs or their family's faces.

The main point of most Vapers is to get as far away from smoking as they can.
You do not see anything about Alcohol in the Director's Order [HASHTAG]#50D[/HASHTAG] right? Why? Because one has nothing to do with the other.
If they want to control & regulate where a person Vapes in National Parks and Monuments, then they need to make a Director's Order #50V, Vaping Policy.
I'm sure they can find a few Government employees, that are not to busy, that could do some research, and get to understand what vaping is, the dangers & safety, and the terms we use, to write up a Policy that applies to Just Vaping.

Some of you keep looking at one phrase or sentence and thinking this isn't to bad, I can still vape where I want, Well you are wrong.
Anyone that smoked in the past few years can tell you how bad they treat smoking and smokers. Well they treat it like the deadly disease that it is
And now with putting Vaping under Smoking guidelines, Welcome Back to the Smokers Club people

Let me rephrase this so you get a better understanding of the NEW Director's Order [HASHTAG]#50D[/HASHTAG] Smoking / Vaping Policy

Within 25 feet of any entrance or exit primarily accessed by the visiting public.
Within 25 feet of any entrance or exit not generally accessed by the public, where smoking (Vaping) would result in smoke or (Vapor) traveling through doorways, windows, air ducts or other openings.
In any area or facility designated by the site manager as closed to smoking (Vaping)
A site manager may, at any time, close an area or facility to smoking (Vaping) when necessary to (a) protect park resources, (b) reduce the risk of fire, (c) protect employees and the public from ETS exposure, or (d) prevent conflicts among employees or visitors.
When they do put up Smoking Bans, which they do during dry seasons, Vaping now falls under that.
In other words, anytime they feel like it, they can make you stop or temporary Ban Vaping, And if someone complains about it, which they always do, they will ban it.

ALL Designated Smoking Area's now apply to Vaping. So if your somewhere and they have one, you now have to use it.

This is just like telling a recovering alcoholic they have to go sit in a Bar or Tavern.

 

[bluecat]

I always felt like vaping was a bit feminine, I think that is why they market it as masculine. Takes a bit of extra effort to make it feel manly. Look at our word for less cloudy vapors, not a lot of dudes want to proudly exclaim they are a Tootle puffer.

Smoking cigarettes is feminine. Cigars or pipe are masculine. In the unisex world we live the pc police would be all over that.

I didn't smoke and I don't vape to look manly. I don't need to. I never got into the this is manly or this is feminine. The man makes the manly and the woman makes the feminine despite anything else. Once upon a time jeans were manly, I can tell you many women look great in a pair of jeans. Put a dude in some lingerie? I won;t go there because the PC police will come after me and I will never be able to run for President.

I vape at 8-9 watts on a 1.8ohm coil. That's saying I am any less of a man. Thanks for a good laugh during break time.

 

[bluecat]

Some of you keep looking at one phrase or sentence and thinking this isn't to bad, I can still vape where I want, Well you are wrong.

I guess this is my point. I never thought I had the freedom to vape wherever I wanted. I try to respect people and in turn be respected. I am not sure where the idea came that vapers can vape where and when they want. I can tell you one cannot vape inside my house. First time you get asked to leave. Second time I don't bother to ask.

As a vaper and former smoker, I like having my restaurant be smoke and vape free. Personally, I believe it should be up the proprietor to decide then I as a consumer can make an informed decision whether to go in or go elsewhere. We have a little place up the road that turns into a private club at 11:00. People can visit the humidor for a nice cigar or smoke some cigs at the bar. I am the only one that vapes. The have a nice little fireplace and a few big screens. I have a few Guinness on draft, a cigar and my vape. Others smoke cigs. I don't mind. I like the idea they can do it. They have some good food too.

 

[beckdg]

even some Vapers or non Vapers that do know what vaping is, don't want big clouds blown in theirs or their family's faces.

Or the obviously very enclosed, restrictive great outdoors directly (within an Earths throw) adjacent to said faces...



Tapatyped

 

[HauntedMyst]

This is entirely understandable. Can you imagine what it would be like if a bear snuck into a camp and got into the e-liquid and got addicted? They are bad enough when they are just looking for hamburgers and hotdogs but can you imagine a 1500 pound Grizzly going through nic withdrawal? They'd be opening cars like tuna cans. Suicide Bunny indeed! There would be massacres all over national parks everywhere. After a while, female Grizzlies would be wandering into towns, wearing short skirts and tube tops trying to sell their services just to score 100ml of any salmon flavored vape they could get their paws on. Disease would spread across the species barrier. You think regular herpes is bad? Bear herpes will make you want to kill yourself with sores the size of footballs. Bear crabs are the size of beagles. The National Park Service is doing us all a favor. And don't even get me started on what a fire hazard vape devices are! Powerful electric currents flowing through enclosed devices vaporizing e-liquid is a forest fire waiting to happen.

 

[Jman8]

I guess this is my point. I never thought I had the freedom to vape wherever I wanted. I try to respect people and in turn be respected. I am not sure where the idea came that vapers can vape where and when they want.

Same place where the idea came that you can breathe in public without a mouth filter. Really weird ideas like that.