Do you worry? Long term effects?
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We don't know about the long term effects of vaping on humans, but we know what happens to them when they smoke for too long.
My feeling is that the FDA would be all over it if they had any thing ground shaking to announce. No news is good news. All the while, they contribute to reports of how sugar, fat, and too many carbohydrates are killing people. Go figure.
The surgeon general has been eerily quiet about ecigs. The report they released in January was pretty ho-hum and that's good. The Surgeon General is worried about kids using them and the fact that people are still hooked on nicotine, although there's not that much to say detrimentally about nicotine when the FDA lifted the prescription requirement for nic patches.
Some of the information in this article that talks about ecigs is not exactly what we hear elsewhere.
Surgeon General’s Report on Tobacco Has a New Target: E-Cigarettes
My feeling is that the FDA would be all over it if they had any thing ground shaking to announce. No news is good news. All the while, they contribute to reports of how sugar, fat, and too many carbohydrates are killing people. Go figure.
The surgeon general has been eerily quiet about ecigs. The report they released in January was pretty ho-hum and that's good. The Surgeon General is worried about kids using them and the fact that people are still hooked on nicotine, although there's not that much to say detrimentally about nicotine when the FDA lifted the prescription requirement for nic patches.
Some of the information in this article that talks about ecigs is not exactly what we hear elsewhere.
Surgeon General’s Report on Tobacco Has a New Target: E-Cigarettes
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Silly question. After quitting Marlboros for vaping, I stopped coughing, stopped tossing lung meat, my laugh does not sound like a car accident, I feel great and I don't stink (as much). Cannot vouch for the long term effects, but the short term effects are outstandingly positive. 35 years of smoking, and I am not going back for anything. Vaping may not be as good as being a non-smoker/vaper, but that has not been an option for me.
Yeah, that WAS the plan before, but the longer I hang around, the POORER I'm gonna get!
Seriously though, one thing that bugs me is the long term effect on all the people who keep vaping all kinds of stuff from all kinds of plastic tanks.
By the way one of the effects of that is some people are going to get a certain pattern of symptoms related to the plastic leeching into some liquids and them vaping it for years, and the translation is going to turn out that this condition is "CAUSED BY VAPING".
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I get the impression I should mention the word GLASS.
Use GLASS, not plastic.
By the way one of the effects of that is some people are going to get a certain pattern of symptoms related to the plastic leeching into some liquids and them vaping it for years, and the translation is going to turn out that this condition is "CAUSED BY VAPING".
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I get the impression I should mention the word GLASS.
Use GLASS, not plastic.
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Many plastic tanks are made from Lexan, as they are less likely to crack. Lexan can contain BPA. BPA is frowned upon for infants and young children, though not universally. Solution, is do not let your infants or young children vape.
You can always go back to smoking, or use an all metal tank.
And don't forget all the food and beverages you consume from plastic bottles.
You can always go back to smoking, or use an all metal tank.
And don't forget all the food and beverages you consume from plastic bottles.
100% dittos except I had hit 43 years with t-burners.
Yes, I know I don't look nearly old enough for 43 years - I must have started when I was 2 years old
I was just looking for a way to a) not have to go outside and freeze my keister off in the cold winter we're having, and b) not choke my husband to death in the truck, or have to roll the window down and either freeze or melt, whatever the weather. But as soon as I started vaping *regularly* I *immediately* went from about 13-15 cigs a day to about 3-4; with a little effort, it went to 2, then 1 a day. Now I feel like, what the hell, I'm nearly quit already, I might as well take the plunge and become a non-smoker. Wheeeeee! Friday's THE DAY!! I'm sure my asthmatic lungs will be properly grateful, as soon as they finish ridding themselves of 39 yrs of cigarette tar.
Cough
Andria
I agree! If there was one pico-gram of real science against vaping...
Speaking of the children, I came across a piece by Clive Bates (wonder if his family owns a creepy hotel somewhere
)... We need to talk about the children – the gateway effect examined
Totally rips the ANTZ mantra to shreds and provides the greater context to the whole gateway thing.
On the nicotine front, I found Rolygate's Nicotine Myths posting in the ECF Library to be a great addition to the nicotine story
Excellent & Outstanding Andria!!
But whatever you do, don't let the PETA ____ find out about the evidence of cruelty in your avatar
Keep it up, and post updates along your new smoke-free path
I agree! If there was one pico-gram of real science against vaping...
Speaking of the children, I came across a piece by Clive Bates (wonder if his family owns a creepy hotel somewhere
We need to talk about the children the gateway effect examined
Totally rips the ANTZ mantra to shreds and provides the greater context to the whole gateway thing.
On the nicotine front, I found Rolygate's Nicotine Myths posting in the ECF Library to be a great addition to the nicotine story
That's a great article about The Children(TM)
Did you see this? It was posted elsewhere by another member:
Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between first and new generation devices
Might we infer that if The Children(TM) are getting less nicotine in an hour of experimenting with eCigs than they would if they were playing with Cigarettes for 5 minutes... that the risk to them of getting hooked is nowhere near the hysterics we are seeing? The thing is, by the time The Children(TM) buy and smoke a whole pack of cigarettes... they do get hooked. I don't think it will turn out to be the case with eCigs. Not that I am advocating eCigs for The Children(TM).
As to the On-Topic topic... I'm not especially worried about the long term. I don't feel terribly addicted to vaping to be honest, I pretty much do it because I like it and it's cheaper than nic gum. I may vape less and less over time, but I also know that if I ever feel a slip back to cigarettes coming back, I can just vape myself out of it and not buy that pack of smokes at all.
Excellent & Outstanding Andria!!
But whatever you do, don't let the PETA ____ find out about the evidence of cruelty in your avatar
Keep it up, and post updates along your new smoke-free path
heh.. that was one of the "funny cat pics" I searched up in google, one of the "....... you, I am cat!" variety... but with the addition of that itaste vv3 (that I'm getting tomorrow!), it becomes "the good news of iTaste, can I get a hallelujah!!"
Andria
You know, I just recently realized that I don't necessarily take the vapor into my lungs, but rather just beneath my collar bone (in terms of my esophagus). I would say that's a shallow inhale. I realized this because I was showing a new-to-vaping friend "how" to inhale, but he kept taking it into deep his lungs and holding it as if it was some other, ahem, kind of inhale. He could not produce hardly any vapor doing it that way (unless using a genny), but doing the shallow inhale felt better to him and also provided, as he said, much more satisfaction.
We also took a trip to the "other side" with a sub-ohming (quite low), genny straight-to-lung hit and while he was impressed with the vapor (who wouldn't be?), he also noted that it didn't feel comfortable to his throat and chest.
I don't worry about the nicotine, PG, or VG, but I do worry about the artificial flavorings we're inhaling instead of eating. Overall, vaping is MUCH better than smoking, but the flavors are still kind of suspect in my eyes. Not enough to stop vaping.
For me, I have no reservations about vaping as a whole, but when you get into the cloud chasing, super-high heat, straight-to-lung hits, I do get a bit iffy about the overall "safety" of that on the lungs. I am not comparing sub-ohming to smoking cigs, but I am comparing it to vaping with more "standard" heat.
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LOL!! I love that cigs tasted absolutely awful after only 3 days of strictly vaping. Now i have money burning a hole in my pocket for all the stuff to go with my new hobby. 4 months into it and just filled and fired up my first carto. Woo-hoo. Living the dream at the half century mark in life. Hope to vape until the end.
Hey DaveP - In case you didn't see my other post, Dr. Farsalinos has de-bunked the notion that vapers are getting more nicotine than they did when smoking. Punch line... less nicotine in an hour vaping 18mg in a new generation PV than in a 5 minute cigarette. I don't want anyone to feel that I'm spamming so just look for my other post in this thread for the link
honestly no, i know that vaping is so much healthier for me. since im currently living at home and my parents are never home during the day and im usually home alone i was constantly sleep deprived and barely slept because i needed my nicotine fix. now im sleeping more and can vape all night long without my parents knowing. i feel so much better knowing i made the switch. i had been thinking on it for months.
I've realized that the main reason I've been finding it so hard to do away with that first smoke in the morning is that when I'm half-asleep, I try to vape as if I'm smoking -- fast inhale straight down the lungs -- but when I actually make myself slow down, let it roll gently up the back of my throat and out my nose, I get MUCH more nicotine from it -- even at my measly 6mg, last night I managed to get enough that I had a few minutes of those "stomach pains," feel like sharp gas pains, like when I tried the higher nic strength. Realizing this, and the fact that tomorrow I'm getting both an iTaste vv3 AND some higher-nic of my preferred e-juice, is why I think that Friday I will finally be able to abstain from that first smoke -- and it's always the first one that gets you, right?
(One is too many, and a thousand never enough!)
Andria
I've realized that the main reason I've been finding it so hard to do away with that first smoke in the morning is that when I'm half-asleep, I try to vape as if I'm smoking -- fast inhale straight down the lungs -- but when I actually make myself slow down, let it roll gently up the back of my throat and out my nose, I get MUCH more nicotine from it -- even at my measly 6mg, last night I managed to get enough that I had a few minutes of those "stomach pains," feel like sharp gas pains, like when I tried the higher nic strength. Realizing this, and the fact that tomorrow I'm getting both an iTaste vv3 AND some higher-nic of my preferred e-juice, is why I think that Friday I will finally be able to abstain from that first smoke -- and it's always the first one that gets you, right?
(One is too many, and a thousand never enough!)
Andria
I've heard that before -- somewhere.
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