Does anyone else feel taken advantage of? And not in a good way!

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Scy123

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Just diy. ejuice have a huge markup. That same $20 bottle of juice can be made (by anyone) for like $1, not kidding. My ejuice calculator shows me the price of each blend I make and it can be as cheap as $0.25 for unflavored 30ml.

By buying the stuff you are only giving them a market, which you are basically just paying for the flashy label.

They can't take advantage of you if you don't let them!
 

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I was just thinking about it to start discussion, but do others not find it ridiculous that juice companies charge 18-22$ and sometimes more for premium juice. I mean you walk into a b&m shop and they have store juice and premium bottled juice, what do you choose. Most people go with the premium I would think, there are some that don't. However, I've been vaping for 3.5 years now and where that same 22$ premium would last me almost two weeks or more out of my protank 2 and provari now lasts me 2-3 days out of a high powered device and dripping, hexohm and velocity or vt200 and crown tank.

Either way, I just feel the juice companies are taking advantage of their consumer base and I'm really tired of it. I know we live in America and in a capitalistic society, but at 22$ a bottle for premium juice that's not harsh every couple of days gets expensive. Even b&m house juice that's 30ml is 12-18$ and sometimes 2 for 20$. That's ok in a pinch I suppose.

But what I'm getting at is, I would not like to have the only option of getting good quality juice for a decent price online. By that I usually pay 20$ for 120ml or 35$ for 240ml.

Why can't this be standard prices ^^ for where the high wattage devices are going. The hardware aspect has has evolved why not the liquid market in favor of the consumer.

When will the liquid market get with the program and listen to consumers. I'm sure everyone would like cheaper liquid.

Because in all honesty it's not that cheap!

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Use unflavored DIY to dilute commercial e liquid. Mix the same percents of PG, VG, and nic and add it to the commercial stuff. I have had diluted to 25/75 and preserved the flavor of the original. If you can do that the cost goes from $20 it's $5.
 

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Use unflavored DIY to dilute commercial e liquid. Mix the same percents of PG, VG, and nic and add it to the commercial stuff. I have had diluted to 25/75 and preserved the flavor of the original. If you can do that the cost goes from $20 it's $5.
Sweet I'll have to try that!


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Use unflavored DIY to dilute commercial e liquid. Mix the same percents of PG, VG, and nic and add it to the commercial stuff. I have had diluted to 25/75 and preserved the flavor of the original. If you can do that the cost goes from $20 it's $5.

25% of flavored to 75% unflavored and it still preserved the flavor? I would think it would be very weak diluted that much? Did you start with a very strong flavor?
 
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So, if you do it right, this is what you'd see.

1. Find suitable location for business.
2. Purchase equipment. (This is not cheap. A single manual filling pump alone runs into thousands of dollars.)
3. Purchase ingredients.
4. Ensure manufacturing facility meets clean room standards.
5. Send product off for testing.
6. Depending on test results, either go into production or reformulate the recipe.


So.... Taking into consideration the expense of just starting up a company (provided you're doing it right), how much is that bottle of juice now? People who complain about the price of e-liquid and claim they're doing DIY for a buck a bottle aren't looking at the big picture.
 
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Use unflavored DIY to dilute commercial e liquid. Mix the same percents of PG, VG, and nic and add it to the commercial stuff. I have had diluted to 25/75 and preserved the flavor of the original. If you can do that the cost goes from $20 it's $5.

If your gonna go though all that trouble, why not just diy the whole thing. That way your not giving them a market and adding to the problem.
 
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People who complain about the price of e-liquid and claim they're doing DIY for a buck a bottle aren't looking at the big picture.

The big picture is what makes me happy and being able to diy juice for dirt cheap makes me super happy.
 

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Yea I am a bit sketched out at some of these company's. I've bought some pretty nasty ejuice. Once I made a whole order of like 10 bottles for $200 that all tasted nasty. That came out to $250 with tax and shipping. Could of just made that myself for $20 and it would of tasted better, not to mention I would know exactly what I put in it and how it was made.
 

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While I agree that a lot of "premium" e-juice places are making a killing on e-juice that doesn't cost very much to produce, I think they will have to adapt with the marketplace.

I still vape out of my KFL, and go through about 3-4 ml of juice a day. I think the standard today is to drop the nic level to 3 or 6mg, and go with more cloud based subohm tanks. My Kanger Subtank killed juice (and battery) quickly while I was briefly trying it out, but I didn't like the flavor and the 12mg nicotine would give me a headache with that much vapor.

The $22 30ml bottle of premium juice may have had a larger market when the industry standard was clearos like Vivi Novas, Protanks, etc., but I think they will need to adjust their pricing over time as the industry changes. If people are going through 10ml+ of juice per day, they will look for alternatives to save them money.

I, like many, will never DIY, so I will continue to look for good, budget priced e-juice vendors and go with the best value for me. My ADV from ITC only costs $19.99 for 120ml, and $35.99 for 240ml and lasts me a good 4-5 months.

I'm looking to switch it up this month, so I just ordered three 120ml bottles of Casey Jones Mainline Reserve for $75 shipped. A little pricier, but nowhere near what some of these places charge.

Again, I think some of these places will adapt their pricing, or they won't be able to stay in business. It's like food places that sell soda for $2 a cup when it costs 5 cents to make the soda, and another few pennies for the cup. Still plenty of profit to be made there, even if they sold it for $1 instead of $2. Ever notice that employees are usually required to ask "anything to drink?"

All these vendors material costs are probably about the same, so you know any place could do 120ml for $19.99 and make a profit if they wanted to. The main difference is that these premium vendors usually have nice glass bottles and have holding costs for having them pre-steep for a month. Still not worth the price difference IMO.

If some of these places (Five Pawns for one) want to keep their prices high, I think they may be able to survive as a niche, special occasion flavor, but the days of 30ml for $30 as an ADV are going to be gone.

Edit: I didn't finish reading your post, so I didn't realize that you were speaking more about B&M prices. Well that's not really fair. A lot of vape shops are just resellers. They don't buy in mass quantity, so they're probably paying about as much as we can online for equipment. Most people don't buy equipment from shops though.

Most of the sales comes from repeat sales, which will probably be of their e-juice. The shop obviously isn't paying the $1 the vendor spent to make it. Just a wild guess, but I'm betting that the markup is probably somewhere between 100-200%.

Around here, a small vape shop's rent alone is probably $2-3k before you pay for the electricity, employees, then take a salary. So yeah, I don't fault the shops themselves for charging so much for juice/equipment, but I think some online premium juice places could take down the prices a little bit.

I realize there may be thousands in startup costs, but when you're making 1500-2000% percent per bottle of juice, you can make that back up pretty quickly.
 
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