Does this seem right to you?

[beckdg]

I agree with you 110%, but sadly, these things are left out in the open quite frequently, especially if both are involved. Not making a come-back statement, but I've witnessed enough (non suicidal) self-inflicted gunshot wounds to know, no, they're not kept safely hidden away. Both booze and guns. I grew up in the deep south, though, so that may have something to do with it.

It is sad that some parents are irresponsible and have their priorities mixed up.

But banning cookie pictures like a bunch of idiots isn't going to change or fix that.

Here's the label that got me when I was 12 yrs old...

Not a cookie or cartoon in sight...

Tapatyped

 

[zoiDman]

OK then... Looks like we have got this All Figured Out.

The use of Cartoon Characters or Images of Adolescents wielding Chainsaws is Not Going to Adversely Effect How the General Public perceives e-liquid Marketing.

And also should have No Ill Effects on how Congress Members View the Current e-Cigarette Market when they Decide the Future e-Cigarette Market thru Deeming.

 

[cherrycakes]

I don't have kids so I don't really care

 

[Rule62]

I don't have kids so I don't really care

I don't either. I'm done caring. My children are grown, and I DIY all my juice. I'm set.

 

[Rocketpunk]

OK then... Looks like we have got this All Figured Out.

The use of Cartoon Characters or Images of Adolescents wielding Chainsaws is Not Going to Adversely Effect How the General Public perceives e-Liquid Marketing.

And also should have No Ill Effects on how Congress Members View the Current e-Cigarette Market when they Decide the Future e-Cigarette Market thru Deeming.

 

[GinnyTx]

email or call the company..tell them you love the juice and you won't be buying it.

Most of mine have black caligraphy and clearly "adult"

but I'm with Beck..that was my first smoke..and they could've had a skull and cross bones on it and I'd have still smoked it *lol*

I'm a parent of young adults now..when they were little if there was ANYTHING I didn't want them to have..I had to lock it up..and not with a combo lock either..they'd snag my stethoscope and I'd come home to JD drunk teens. Invest in a good large safe if you've got kids and hide your stethoscope *lol*

 

[Lessifer]

OK then... Looks like we have got this All Figured Out.

The use of Cartoon Characters or Images of Adolescents wielding Chainsaws is Not Going to Adversely Effect How the General Public perceives e-Liquid Marketing.

And also should have No Ill Effects on how Congress Members View the Current e-Cigarette Market when they Decide the Future e-Cigarette Market thru Deeming.

I watched some of the FDA conference yesterday. The UCSF presenter that talked about marketing to kids had a slide of examples, and it was all about the flavors, not graphics. As long as they can say that cotton candy appeals to children, it's a moot point.

Do cartoon graphics help our cause? Probably not. Should it be used against us? No. Will it be? Most definitely, but it's not like we need to give them ammunition, they are the arms manufacturers.

 

[beckdg]

OK then... Looks like we have got this All Figured Out.

The use of Cartoon Characters or Images of Adolescents wielding Chainsaws is Not Going to Adversely Effect How the General Public perceives e-Liquid Marketing.

And also should have No Ill Effects on how Congress Members View the Current e-Cigarette Market when they Decide the Future e-Cigarette Market thru Deeming.

wake up, zoid. if it anything really mattered, this wouldn't be a point to debate.

 

[beckdg]

P.S. ...

I'll tell you a little secret.

public opinion doesn't really matter.

the smear campaigns are simply there to minimize or eliminate the general public from banding against them. they don't care about public support. the powers that be just don't want the public standing in the way... or us banding together... while they railroad us.

 

[bluecat]

I don't have kids so I don't really care

Which is part of the problem. Look at from the other side. They don't vape, so what do they care. Quite honestly, there are more of them than of us.

To a larger agree... one reason our government is how they are... no one cares... until it affects them.

 

[zoiDman]

wake up, zoid. if it anything really mattered, this wouldn't be a point to debate.

Hey I'm on Your Side.

Will all the Compelling Post, and with all of the Eye Catching and Relevant Gifs/Jpgs people have Posted, I'm all for Whatever People want to put on Label.

I say we all Bathe in Malt Whiskey and then Dance Around the May Pole.

 

[DC2]

Again, it comes down to either accepting their lies about marketing to children and trying to anticipate what we think they might have a problem with and trying to convince everyone that we'll be better off if we go along with it, OR point out that it's ridiculous and that yes, lawmakers should be relying on scientific data when enacting legislation concerning public health. The FDA is supposed to craft the regs based on scientific reasoning.

That's not going to happen in the Court of Public Opinion.
That can only happen in a Court of Law.

And that's where we are most likely headed.
And I think we may very well win.

But we have to lose first.
And we will.

 

[beckdg]

i'll be the one bathed in raw cows milk and malt liquor. it's cheaper and i hear good for the skins radiant glow.

 

[Lessifer]

That's not going to happen in the Count of Public Opinion.
That can only happen in a Court of Law.

And that's where we are most likely headed.
And I think we may very well win.

But we have to lose first.
And we will.

And when that happens, if ECF forum posts happen to make it into evidence(as if), I'd rather be on record saying that "marketing to kids" is an absurd argument.

 

[zoiDman]

...

Do cartoon graphics help our cause? Probably not. Should it be used against us? No. Will it be? Most definitely, but it's not like we need to give them ammunition, they are the arms manufacturers.

But Lessifer... Those Cartoon are So Cute and Cuddly. And what Adult would not be Enticed to buy an e-Liquids with a Picture of Little Mis Chainsaw on it?

And as So Many Members have Pointed Out, It would be a Terrible Hardship to a Retailer to Not Have them. And there is No Real Alternative.

 

[beckdg]

And as So Many Members have Pointed Out, It would be a Terrible Hardship to a Retailer to Not Have them. And there is No Real Alternative.

worked on me before.

so, yeah... it's a good edge to have in the market if you can pull it off.

 

[zoiDman]

P.S. ...

I'll tell you a little secret.

public opinion doesn't really matter.

the smear campaigns are simply there to minimize or eliminate the general public from banding against them. they don't care about public support. the powers that be just don't want the public standing in the way... or us banding together... while they railroad us.

Who is 'they"?

I know the Money Givers do. They don't like throwing Money down a Rat Hole backing the Wrong Candidate.

I also know that BT Does. Because ANYTHING that makes the Current e-Cigarettes market look Bad works in their Favor.

 

[Lessifer]

But Lessifer... Those Cartoon are So Cute and Cuddly. And what Adult would not be Enticed to buy an e-Liquids with a Picture of Little Mis Chainsaw on it?

And as So Many Members have Pointed Out, It would be a Terrible Hardship to a Retailer to Not Have them. And there is No Real Alternative.

That's not really the point, as I think you know.

The point is fighting the idea that having flavors that appeal to adults, that could also appeal to children, or graphics that do the same, is somehow "marketing to children."

 

[beckdg]

Who is 'they"?

I know the Money Givers do. They don't like throwing Money down a Rat Hole backing the Wrong Candidate.

I also know that BT Does. Because ANYTHING that makes the Current e-Cigarettes market look Bad works in their Favor.

the real they.

the people spearheading this for profit.

those paying to sway public opinion.

when you're trying to screw a portion of the population, you don't care what people think as long as they don't get in the way of your profits.

they care about profit.

giving the uninformed public their opinion is one way to ensure those profits.

it's not about who thinks what. it's about causing hysteria and confusion so they can pull slight of hand.

once the fight's over, it will only be your day to day, die hard ANTZ thumping around as if to pound their doctrines, unfunded and nearly always falling on deaf ears.

as it was with smoking for most of my less than 40 yrs on this planet.

they really don't care....

 

[DC2]

that's why those famous studies on flavors and advertising
are 100% sophistry. correct data,wrong conclusion.
one takes up smoking first,then decides menthol Joe
Camels are cool.

You just reminded me of a very bad moment I had with my wife last night...
I had tried to bury it in my subconscious to never be heard from again...

She is almost as mad as I am about those commercials with the kids and vaping products.
She fully realizes how ridiculous they are, and supports my righteous anger.

But then she started saying that it's not like when the tobacco companies were marketing to kids.

What? Seriously? I didn't know she was still brainwashed.
I asked her when and how did Big Tobacco market to kids, and she says Joe Camel.

What? Seriously?

I asked her if Mr. Clean with Liquid Muscle in yummy lemon flavors was marketed to kids.
That kind of left her speechless.

But then I asked if she had any other examples besides Joe Camel.
Like was the Marlboro Man aimed at kids too?

She couldn't think of any other examples other than Joe Camel, which is already a bogus example.
And then I didn't know whether to laugh at her, or cry for our future.

My own wife mind you.
Jesus.