Does this seem right to you?

[Wow1420]

E-Cigarette Marketing | Video | C-SPAN.org

BTW - These people who are Frothing at the Mouth about the way some brands of e-Cigarettes are Marketed are also the Ones who will say if the coming FDA Deeming Regulations are Strict Enough.

I finally watched it, beginning to end. What a shameful performance by J Rockefeller in particular.

We're doomed. Bye-bye advertising, Bye-bye flavors.

 

[zoiDman]

I finally watched it, beginning to end. What a shameful performance by J Rockefeller in particular.

...

I think Rockefeller is one of the Few people in the Senate who can make Boxer look Fair, Unbiased and in Touch with Reality.

In his own words... "I don't know how you Sleep at Night?"

Thank you for Watching it. I know it wasn't Easy. But at Least you can see now Exactly what we are Up Against. And why I don't want to give them any More ammunition to be Used Against Us.

 

[DC2]

I know it wasn't Easy.

It's never easy to see first hand...
What a bunch of liars and/or idiots the people who represent us really are.

 

[beckdg]

batteries, kanthal, cotton are accessories, not components, and do not fall under the proposed regulations.

Not components? Show me how to vape without a wick, a coil and a battery.

vape bands and lanyards are accessories.

Tapatyped

 

[zoiDman]

It's never easy to see first hand...
What a bunch of liars and/or idiots the people who represent us really are.

Yeah... I was in this Thread when it was Broadcast Live.

I just about Punched a Hole in my LCD TV about 1/2 thru it.

E-Cig special on CSPAN tonight | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[beckdg]

While that is true they making a big stink about nicotine this, nicotine that...so if you were to take away the nicotine their boat just had a 50 foot hole shot into its hull

Except legalese makes legal sense and no other logic is followed. The circular logic is far more than they need.

Tapatyped

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - Here is Another Senate Hearing featuring Mr. Zeller from the FDA and Mr. McAfee of the CDC answering Questions about e-Cigarettes.

It is Worth watching to seeh Harkin make a Complete Azz of himself. He Removes all doubt that he Knew Absolutely Nothing at the time of this Hearing.

And it is Funny to Watch Mr. Zeller trying to keep his Cool while having to deal with a Rube like Harkin.

FDA Regulation E-Cigarettes | Video | C-SPAN.org

BTW - Place Close Attention to the Questions and Comments of Richard Burr. He is someone we should keep an eye on.

 

[beckdg]

Normally I would agree with you, but the more recent surveys they've been feeding to the media talk about increased nicotine use among teens, even though the teens were never asked if the e-cigarettes they used contain nicotine.



I hope they learned their lesson. You are right about the grey area of marketing, I just would hate to see the industry brought to that level. Instead of head shops, we'll have "flashlight" markets, that also specialize in candy/bakery flavorings.

Lol...

Head shops will sell flashlights in the back like they already do. Only "tobacco pipe" won't be the code words for them anymore.

Tapatyped

 

[Lessifer]

Not components? Show me how to vape without a wick, a coil and a battery.

Vape bands and lanyards are accessories.

Tapatyped

Vaping specific batteries, coils/wicks will most likely be components, like ego's and 510s, prewrapped coils, atomizer heads. I figure(though could be completely wrong) anything that is currently used in other markets, like an 18650 battery, kanthal(loose on a spool), and cotton makeup pads would be considered accessories. It's hard to use a hookah without tongs, but it can be done. Puck mods that use AA batteries might make a comeback.

Lol...

Head shops will sell flashlights in the back like they already do. Only "tobacco pipe" won't be the code words for them anymore.

Tapatyped

Was thinking it would be harder to avoid regulation if you sold the flashlights next to the tobacco water pipes.

 

[beckdg]

Vaping specific batteries, coils/wicks will most likely be components, like ego's and 510s, prewrapped coils, atomizer heads. I figure(though could be completely wrong) anything that is currently used in other markets, like an 18650 battery, kanthal(loose on a spool), and cotton makeup pads would be considered accessories. It's hard to use a hookah without tongs, but it can be done. Puck mods that use AA batteries might make a comeback.



Was thinking it would be harder to avoid regulation if you sold the flashlights next to the tobacco water pipes.

Yes, they'll certainly be a distinction between sephora pads and Temco wire vs. Say the same objects sold at madvapes and lightning vapes.

But they'll certainly be taxed as components if all components are to be taxed.

It'll just make going to the source that much more of a bargain.

Well... As long as they don't put restrictions on say like Temco industrial forcing them to only accept "industrial" (business) purchase orders.

Tapatyped

 

[TripleD]

This statement sounds just like those that are trying to get flavors banned. They want to spread the idea that no adult wants to vape yummy kid like flavors. I can be both, NO, I can be all. I can be a high thinking, mature adult that loves childlike activities and cool things. I can go to a job that requires seriousness and then go home and enjoy video games, or cotton candy, or comic books, etc. I really don't get the notion that adults no longer enjoy kid things no matter what the kid thing is. I love blowing bubbles, while vaping on my S'more like juice, and then taking a run through the sprinkler with my grand kids. I am not DEAD yet!!!

No one said you cannot. You still can. I didn't say to ban it either. Aren't we adult enough to digest arguments rather than just blowing it out of proportion? I said it is with childish labelling and you agree that it is right? Now, is it needed? If you feel so, fine. No one is telling you to accept others opinion. Keep the cool

 

[skoony]

I think Rockefeller is one of the Few people in the Senate who can make Boxer look Fair, Unbiased and in Touch with Reality.

In his own words... "I don't know how you Sleep at Night?"

Thank you for Watching it. I know it wasn't Easy. But at Least you can see now Exactly what we are Up Against. And why I don't want to give them any More ammunition to be Used Against Us.

Vaping specific batteries, coils/wicks will most likely be components, like ego's and 510s, prewrapped coils, atomizer heads. I figure(though could be completely wrong) anything that is currently used in other markets, like an 18650 battery, kanthal(loose on a spool), and cotton makeup pads would be considered accessories. It's hard to use a hookah without tongs, but it can be done. Puck mods that use AA batteries might make a comeback.



Was thinking it would be harder to avoid regulation if you sold the flashlights next to the tobacco water pipes.

e-juice doesn't float in the air. you need a coil,wick,tank and,battery to consume it.
in as such they become the anything used in the consumption of tobacco or a tobacco
product.
it will be interesting to see how the FDA (not Zeller) interprets it.
regards
mike

 

[zoiDman]

e-juice doesn't float in the air. you need a coil,wick,tank and,battery to consume it.
in as such they become the anything used in the consumption of tobacco or a tobacco
product.
it will be interesting to see how the FDA (not Zeller) interprets it.
regards
mike

No argument here skoony. "e-Juice" doesn't float in air.

That is why I am Also stocking up on Lighter and Matches. Because even though I Don't Smoke anymore, you can't consume Combustible Tobacco without first Lighting it.

BTW - Say what You think is Right. What FDA Regulations are there going to be on a Spool of Kanthal? Or a 18650 Battery.

Must be 18+ to buy a Battery?
No Marketing toward Children on a Spool of Wire?
CRP for Muji Cotton?

 

[stevegmu]

Not a single regulation passed and released, yet now cotton will be banned...

 

[bluecat]

Alright.. you all got me worried. Usually I have nerves of steel about everything. I may have to go out and order a bunch of nic base now. Grrrrr.. around 50 years of life and the only other thing that made me this nervous was when I said I do 20+ years ago.

Thanks all.

 

[zoiDman]

Alright.. you all got me worried. Usually I have nerves of steel about everything. I may have to go out and order a bunch of nic base now. Grrrrr.. around 50 years of life and the only other thing that made me this nervous was when I said I do 20+ years ago.

Thanks all.

I just think ( No Matter what Does or Doesn't) it wouldn't hurt to have some Nicotine Base in your Freezer.

 

[skoony]

No argument here skoony. "e-Juice" doesn't float in air.

That is why I am Also stocking up on Lighter and Matches. Because even though I Don't Smoke anymore, you can't consume Combustible Tobacco without first Lighting it.

BTW - Say what You think is Right. What FDA Regulations are there going to be on a Spool of Kanthal? Or a 18650 Battery.

Must be 18+ to buy a Battery?
No Marketing toward Children on a Spool of Wire?
CRP for Muji Cotton?

how are you going to buy these items if you can
not prove you have a legal need for them.
aside from wicking material which could be any
porous material there are a lot of ways to regulate
them.
point of sale with ID only to start. just like certain
OTC medicines are now. there is not a whole lot
of non-industry uses for kanthal i am aware of.
the flashlight modders will have to follow the
buying procedure for batteries and blame it on us.
every loop whole you imagine already has a system
in place to regulate it. all that is needed is to ad
more items to the list.
regards
mike

 

[zoiDman]

how are you going to buy these items if you can
not prove you have a legal need for them.
aside from wicking material which could be any
porous material there are a lot of ways to regulate
them.
point of sale with ID only to start. just like certain
OTC medicines are now. there is not a whole lot
of non-industry uses for kanthal i am aware of.
the flashlight modders will have to follow the
buying procedure for batteries and blame it on us.
every loop whole you imagine already has a system
in place to regulate it. all that is needed is to ad
more items to the list.
regards
mike

I think you have this Azz Backwards.

I Don't have to Prove I have a Legal Need for Anything I buy. The Seller just has to have the Legal Ability to sell the Item.

If you Think the FDA can Regulate and or Restrict 18650 Batteries or Resistance Wire or Organic Cotton, that's Cool.

I just ask that you Listen to What you are Saying, and then Ask Yourself... "Does this Really Sound like Something that is Going to Happen?"

 

[caramel]

I Don't have to Prove I have a Legal Need for Anything I buy.

How about you try to get some prescription drugs without a prescription, and tell us how it worked?

And yes, FDA regulates those too.

 

[skoony]

I think you have this Azz Backwards.

I Don't have to Prove I have a Legal Need for Anything I buy. The Seller just has to have the Legal Ability to sell the Item.

If you Think the FDA can Regulate and or Restrict 18650 Batteries or Resistance Wire or Organic Cotton, that's Cool.

I just ask that you Listen to What you are Saying, and then Ask Yourself... "Does this Really Sound like Something that is Going to Happen?"

you think?
go out and buy a bottle of sudafed.
get back to me.
mike