Does this seem right to you?

[KattMamma]

I have a coworker that has been vaping for a few years. If it wasn't for her, I wouldn't have known vaping existed.

Going on 5 months of vaping - now I educate her!! She had no idea that vaping was under attack, or that laws were being passed right here in Texas that might make it harder to get things by mail.

I've thought about printing pamplets and taking them to the nearby B&Ms, but some of them give me the distinct impression that they would not like it. I can't figure it out - maybe they think the political side of things might scare new vapers (and new customers) away from vaping?

 

[caramel]

 

[bluecat]

Good for vendors?

Vendors are the ones that aren't doing squat.
Vendors are the ones NOT fighting, not making their customers aware.

Vendors share a ton of blame for our lack of effort and focus.

Some vendors are stepping up. Generally it is the established ones. The fly by night get rich quick, in and out, type stores probably don't. They are just in it to buy low-sell high. Fortunately as consumers we are in the final stages of those business. Unfortunately many consumers just do not know about it. Good or bad... its all a choice.

 

[bluecat]

here is a snipet of what happened in Ohio over the weekend. I read it in the Sat or Sun paper. I believe page 6 or so.

.....The Senate’s Transportation, Commerce and Labor Committee passed the measure Wednesday after amending the bill to give more time to retailers.

Under the bill, the state’s health department would develop packaging standards. Containers must be significantly difficult for a child under age 5 to open. Violators could be fined up to $1,000.

State law already prohibits minors from obtaining, possessing and using the e-cigarettes......

The part I laugh about...."Containers must be significantly difficult for a child under age 5 to open." When I was 5.. nothing could have prevented me from opening something. Heck I have to open things for my wife.. She is significantly over the age of 5 even though she still gets carded for buying alcohol. I guess when your around 50 and they think you may not be 21... it makes her happy.

 

[AndriaD]

I'm pretty sure at least one person is "ignoring" me in that thread.

And there's at least one newish person in that thread I'm undoubtedly going to Ignore soon... Not only will I not give in, I'm really sick of reading alarmist (and totally stupid) crap about how we have to give in "for the children." Ignoring the person is the best thing I can do, because if you call the person on the crap, the person gets all uppity and outraged... hmm, wonder if sub4me is back, with vastly improved literacy...

Andria

 

[mattiem]

I guess when your around 50 and they think you may not be 21

I put this one right up there with the TSA singling out grannies and babies.
Talk about dumbing down America and turning us all into good little sheep

 

[skoony]

I really have to agree with you Katt. Freedom is won, not given. And if most ignore the issue and don't even try to join the fight it's awfully hard to gain freedom. If all vapers spoke up it would be monstrously loud and impossible to ignore. But that doesn't seem to be the case unfortunately.

I'm not going to blame anyone for not fighting hard enough... or not fighting at all. It's an individual choice. But I won't have much sympathy when the freedom to vape is lost and the folks who never even joined the fight start whining.

I know the folks in this thread see the future and what is going to happen as a result of the complacent attitude most vapers seem to have. So I guess the question is, how do we reach the folks that have ignored the issue so far and don't feel a need to participate in the fight? We know that it will be exponentially harder to repeal regs than to block them in the first place. So frustrating.

I, like you (and most in this thread), am stubborn and will continue to fight. But I really despair of the opportunity lost to fight the deeming regs at it's easiest point with the full voice of vapers, which is before they are passed.

as an older person i have come to believe the closer one is to being 30 or younger,
the more likely they are to be more complacent about regulations.
i don't mean this as a bad thing. they simply have no idea what it was like before
before the war on cigarettes. cigarettes were the main target as over 40% of the adult
population smoked.80% had smoked or tried smoking.smoking was as normal in public,
in or outdoors as people now days wandering around the area staring at their hand held
devices.

for younger people they see no problem with vaping restrictions the same as smoking.
why would they? the smokers go outside why shouldn't we? whats the big problem.
most of what i hear concerning the younger attitude about vaping bans doesn't
even include health issues. a lot are more concerned we are violating the
rights of others by vaping in their presence. its actually being discourteous not
being disrespectful.

bans on advertising and flavors? labeling requirements?
nicotine strength,child proof caps and age restrictions?
well you know its going to happen get over it.
that's what government does as they always have.
never do they realize it wasn't always the way it is now.
i suspect when the draconian taxes come in place that
will at least double and probably triple our costs for
what is likely to be cigalikes with tamper proof prefilled
carto's they may take another look at their attitudes.

after the regulations,bans and other sundry restrictions
come into play 10,15,or,20 years down the road after having
had stood outside vaping in the rain,sleet,snow,zero degree
cold and,blistering heat(the closer to the curb,the better), they
might have a completely different opinion from what they have now.
just saying.

regards
mike

 

[KattMamma]

@skoony The age thing has definitely occurred to me several times. I've realized that the ones who are old enough to remember smoking as "normal" then experiencing their rights taken away, slowly at first, until kicked to the curb as pariahs - these are the most vocal opponents against those who wish to do the same (or worse) to vaping.

The under-30s are the ones who have grown up with little or no sense of property rights, individual rights, or privacy rights. I think it all ties together with not seeing anything to fight for regarding vaping rights.

(There are, of course, exceptions to the under-30 statement I just made, but sadly, I don't see enough of them. There's also exceptions to the generalization I made about older smokers, and I wish there wasn't, but thankfully the rest of us far outnumber those.)

 

[caramel]

The only way to make them understand is to ban their iPhones and relegate their use strictly within iBooths (like the ancient phone booths). No signal outside them. All for the children, their healthy brain development and as cheap insurance against unknown long time effects.

 

[skoony]

The only way to make them understand is to ban their iPhones and relegate their use strictly within iBooths (like the ancient phone booths). No signal outside them. All for the children, their healthy brain development and as cheap insurance against unknown long time effects.

you know i am going to steal this and run with it.

mike

 

[caramel]

you know i am going to steal this and run with it.

mike

Don't forget "no sales to minors" iPhones contain hazardous substances like lithium, chrome, nickel, etc some of them are known carcinogens.

 

[mattiem]

The only way to make them understand is to ban their iPhones and relegate their use strictly within iBooths (like the ancient phone booths). No signal outside them. All for the children, their healthy brain development and as cheap insurance against unknown long time effects.

you know i am going to steal this and run with it.

mike

Brilliant Perfect comparison

 

[beckdg]

Correct, but more people need to learn about these groups in order to join. I know quite a few vapers and it never ceases to amaze me that so many of them have no idea of any movement. If I had not done a bit of research and found ECF, I wouldn't know about any of those groups. It would be nice to see more venders online and shop owners handing out information to up awareness.

On the same token, I am acquainted with dozens of vapers. I've informed them all. Very few have joined CASAA to add to the collective voice and even less have emailed a letter.

One of which I know has been at our little town hall fighting and advocating for something every week for at least 15 yrs.

It's like because they don't see this big movement from the industry or an organized cottage advocacy group in their faces, it just doesn't exist to them.

Yes.

I agree.

The industry HAS to get involved and push awareness.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

you know i am going to steal this and run with it.

mike

As you should.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Eh em

I'm 38

Am I a bad boy?

Tapatyped

 

[zoiDman]

...

I've thought about printing pamplets and taking them to the nearby B&Ms, but some of them give me the distinct impression that they would not like it. I can't figure it out - maybe they think the political side of things might scare new vapers (and new customers) away from vaping?

I think the Motivation of Many/Most B&M Owners to not promoting Advocacy or Informing their Customer base about the coming Regulations can be summed up in 3 Letters.

DIY

 

[DC2]

I've thought about printing pamplets and taking them to the nearby B&Ms, but some of them give me the distinct impression that they would not like it. I can't figure it out - maybe they think the political side of things might scare new vapers (and new customers) away from vaping?

Awhile back I went to all the B&Ms in my area and brought them CASAA cards.
I also brought a CASAA display case to show them, and provided a link where they could get one.
(CASAA Vendor Display Kit

It was very much a mixed bag, with many vendors being aware, and many being clueless.
Some of them were familiar with CASAA, and some even put out the cards I brought.

I don't think any of them got a display though.
And I don't think any of them ordered more cards either.

 

[zoiDman]

No. I will not give them the ANTZ Anything voluntarily They are the people who agitated to made it Illegal for me to smoke in my own private office in the business that I own, an office that I installed a 600 cfm exhaust system in when we moved there a few years prior. The same people are now agitating to classify vaping as smoking in my state, so it will be illegal for me to vape in my office as well. They get NOTHING for free from me.

I can Respect your POV Russum. And there is a degree of Valor in Fighting everything at Every step in the Process.

But can we Expect Middle of the Road Senators and their Money Givers to share the Same POV?

 

[caramel]

I can Respect your POV Russum. And there is a degree of Valor in Fighting everything at Every step in the Process.

But can we Expect Middle of the Road Senators and their Money Givers to share the Same POV?

Can you define what a Middle of the Road Senator is?

 

[bluecat]

Don't forget "no sales to minors" iPhones contain hazardous substances like lithium, chrome, nickel, etc some of them are known carcinogens.

Don't let your baby chew on your cell phone.