Does this seem right to you?

[zoiDman]

That's not really the point, as I think you know.

The point is fighting the idea that having flavors that appeal to adults, that could also appeal to children, or graphics that do the same, is somehow "marketing to children."

You take the Average person and Make the Flavor Ban argument because it is Market to Children. Then show them a Plain Text Label of e-liquids. You just Aren't going to get a Majority to buy into a Flavor Ban.

But you take the Same People, and show them Cartoon Characters and or Images of Adolescent Girls on a Label of e-liquids and you are going to get a Much Different Reactions. Especially from Parent of Children Under 18.

If you want to Cling to the "We Have to Fight the Lies" angle, that's Cool. But you Know that we have Neither the Money nor the Resources to even make a Dent in what the General Public has been Exposed to.

 

[zoiDman]

the real they.

the people spearheading this for profit.

those paying to sway public opinion.

when you're trying to screw a portion of the population, you don't care what people think as long as they don't get in the way of your profits.

they care about profit.

giving the uninformed public their opinion is one way to ensure those profits.

it's not about who thinks what. it's about causing hysteria and confusion so they can pull slight of hand.

once the fight's over, it will only be your day to day, die hard ANTZ thumping around as if to pound their doctrines, unfunded and nearly always falling on deaf ears.

as it was with smoking for most of my less than 40 yrs on this planet.

they really don't care....

Oh.. the "real" they.

Yeah... They don't Care.

 

[DC2]

No. That never happened. An older friend who smokes asked if I would like to try one and I did. No debate as to whether or not I would like to start smoking. I was hooked after one...

I don't really believe that anyone can get hooked after one smoke.
So it sounds to me more like you found out from one smoke that you were a smoker at heart.

Many of us are.
For many different reasons.

My reasons had nothing to do with nicotine.

 

[beckdg]

Oh.. the "real" they.

Yeah... They don't Care.

 

[zoiDman]

Jeeze Beck... You don't even like it when People Agree with you.

 

[DC2]

I don't have kids so I don't really care

I don't either, although that was just luck on my part.
My wife can't have children.

I find it a bit irresponsible to bring a child into the world these days.
And I'd prefer to use my money to enjoy our retirement.


I notice you have a "animal rescue" site in your signature.
That's how I roll too.

I'll take a dog over a child any day.
And I won't apologize for it.

At least the world isn't all gung ho about "for the dogs" in order to strip away our freedoms.

 

[Lessifer]

I don't either, although that was just luck on my part.
My wife can't have children.

I find it a bit irresponsible to bring a child into the world these days.
And I'd prefer to use my money to enjoy our retirement.


I notice you have a "animal rescue" site in your signature.
That's how I roll too.

I'll take a dog over a child any day.
And I won't apologize for it.

At least the world isn't all gung ho about "for the dogs" in order to strip away our freedoms.

just a little aside, I have one child, that's the plan, because I think more is irresponsible.

I had a dog that we rescued, had to let her go up to doggy heaven last Tuesday. We definitely plan to rescue another one, but are waiting until after a trip we have planned for our daughter's birthday.

The world would be a much better place if everyone thought about their reproductive responsibilities.

 

[beckdg]

just a little aside, I have one child, that's the plan, because I think more is irresponsible.

I had a dog that we rescued, had to let her go up to doggy heaven last Tuesday. We definitely plan to rescue another one, but are waiting until after a trip we have planned for our daughter's birthday.

The world would be a much better place if everyone thought about their reproductive responsibilities.

LOL

I do.

I feel it's my (and your) reproductive responsibility to out breed ... ehem ... the heavy breeders ... lest the world be overrun with ... ehem ... them...

i just can't keep up, afford it, keep my sanity, flarhcvuy chewbacca stationwagon, chupacabra...

 

[Lessifer]

LOL

I do.

I feel it's my (and your) reproductive responsibility to out breed ... ehem ... the heavy breeders ... lest the world be overrun with ... ehem ... them...

i just can't keep up, afford it, keep my sanity, flarhcvuy chewbacca stationwagon, chupacabra...

I've thought about that, the movie Idiocracy is the scariest movie I've ever seen.

 

[WharfRat1976]

If you go looking for issues, you'll surely find them, problem is they'll only really be an issue in your own mind. Unless of course there is some verifiable scientific data that says animated depictions of teens wielding chainsaws leads teens who would otherwise not vape into vaping...

Lessifer, when I see your member name I always say in my mind eye "MoreOfHer."
BTW- Congrats on your 15millionth post runner up win!!! Were you up to the wee hours vigorously posting?

Curious minds would like to know.

What pizza toppings will you have to celebrate your incredible achievement?? I had a Margarita pizza the other night and instead of tomato sauce had them drizzle olive oil on it and held the parm cheese for the side...Most Exquisite!!

 

[WharfRat1976]

Not to stir the pot, but I remember what got me smoking back when I was seventeen. It wasn't peer pressure, like a bunch of my friends leering around me telling me to try one, it'll make you look cool and popular. Peer pressure by that age was over with. It was just... all of my friends at the time smoked. So I smoked one, two, three, then I bought my first real pack, and then that was that. There was never any discussion of labels, of cartoon characters, or even pretty girls on the box. No one made it sexy, cute, or seductive. There was zero discussion of marketing. Smokes were smokes.

Times change, but do they really? I think this "cute label gives ANTZ ammunition" is silly and we're attributing way too much to the other side. We've always been in a battle. Sometimes it's been more high pitched than other times, but honestly, when we can get to 23 pages of debating over whether or not a cookie gives ANTZ ammunition to destroy vaping as we know it... well, I think we're taking ourselves a bit too seriously.

We can make this as dramatic as possible. Rattle our sabers as much as the ANTZ. But in the end... Good lord, people. It's a gotdamn cookie.

Great post- What got me smoking was lurking behind my father in the back yard...he would flick his discarded ...., I would wait, pick it up, .... on it and get the buzz of my young life. What a head rush...Non filtered Lucky Strikes Baaaaaaaby...

 

[DC2]

I've thought about that, the movie Idiocracy is the scariest movie I've ever seen.

It's not a movie, it's a documentary.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

I don't either, although that was just luck on my part.
My wife can't have children.

I find it a bit irresponsible to bring a child into the world these days.
And I'd prefer to use my money to enjoy our retirement.


I notice you have a "animal rescue" site in your signature.
That's how I roll too.

I'll take a dog over a child any day.
And I won't apologize for it.

At least the world isn't all gung ho about "for the dogs" in order to strip away our freedoms.

People sure can act real funny if you rescue what they think is the wrong dog though. I rescued a "lab mix" last December and as she grew up (her head mainly) it became very apparent she was mixed with mostly Pit Bull and just a dab of lab. But by then I loved her too much to let her go. And she really is a sweet dog who loves people but when I walk her even with her pink harness people look at me like I'm the great fiery one with my hellhound in tow. I've even had people cross to the other side of the street when they see us, but I guess that's a good thing I am not fond of most people anyways.

 

[WharfRat1976]

These are the culprits. These are the definitive ANTZ ammo:

 

[WharfRat1976]

People sure can act real funny if you rescue what they think is the wrong dog though. I rescued a "lab mix" last December and as she grew up (her head mainly) it became very apparent she was mixed with mostly Pit Bull and just a dab of lab. But by then I loved her too much to let her go. And she really is a sweet dog who loves people but when I walk her even with her pink harness people look at me like I'm the great fiery one with my hellhound in tow. I've even had people cross to the other side of the street when they see us, but I guess that's a good thing I am not fond of most people anyways.

ROTFLMAO

 

[Lessifer]

Lessifer, when I see your member name I always say in my mind eye "MoreOfHer."
BTW- Congrats on your 15millionth post runner up win!!! Were you up to the wee hours vigorously posting?

Curious minds would like to know.

What pizza toppings will you have to celebrate your incredible achievement?? I had a Margarita pizza the other night and instead of tomato sauce had them drizzle olive oil on it and held the parm cheese for the side...Most Exquisite!!

Yes, I was most definitely up way too late that night. I did my best to avoid random spamming, though the modwomping thread saw some "unnecessary" action.

Think I might treat myself to some philipino bbq pork sticks tonight

 

[WharfRat1976]

Does the General Public, or Senators who will Vote on the FDA Regulations, need "Scientific Data" to form an Opinion about e-Liquid Marketing?

I think if you showed Little Mis Chainsaw to 10 Adults, that 9 of them would say that She looks like she is an Adolescent.

How can this Not be used Against Us in a FDA Deeming Approval Hearing?

NOOOO, the Senators need a big fat steak in their belly and massive lobbyist contributions to form their opinion...C'Mon Maaaan...

 

[WharfRat1976]

Yes, I was most definitely up way too late that night. I did my best to avoid random spamming, though the modwomping thread saw some "unnecessary" action.

Think I might treat myself to some philipino bbq pork sticks tonight

LOL---Very Very Very Freudian there---somewhere in there......

 

[Lessifer]

People sure can act real funny if you rescue what they think is the wrong dog though. I rescued a "lab mix" last December and as she grew up (her head mainly) it became very apparent she was mixed with mostly Pit Bull and just a dab of lab. But by then I loved her too much to let her go. And she really is a sweet dog who loves people but when I walk her even with her pink harness people look at me like I'm the great fiery one with my hellhound in tow. I've even had people cross to the other side of the street when they see us, but I guess that's a good thing I am not fond of most people anyways.

My sweet girl was an American Staffordshire Terrier, looks like a pit bull but with a longer snout, looked like a beast but was a total sweetheart.

These are the culprits. These are the definitive ANTZ ammo:
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Those were actually in the "marketing to kids" presentation yesterday...

 

[WharfRat1976]

Okay, back to Pizza for cry eye: