Does Vaping Actually Help With Coronavirus Symptoms?

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We have the semi-perma masks too, but we aren't supposed to use them unless there is a confirmed case. At which point, we will all have been exposed. But I bet we all have been already.

The problem with the virus is it does not die quickly on surfaces and the incubation period is lengthy. So some mom with some kid wiping snot on the walls or other surfaces? As yet undiagnosed? Well, good luck honestly because unless you have EXEMPLARY hygiene at ALL times and wash your hands so much they are chapped, you are gonna get some virus on a nose, a lip, an eye.

Again, though there are relevant treatments being IGNORED so I have no idea what the CDC is going for with this stupid quarantine.

You are even LESS likely to protect your vape when out and about, and then bring it up to your lips and infect yourself. It's probably smarter to leave it at home. One less thing to wash to the tune of "Happy birthday" twice.

I am not even bothering to stay home, I might as well work and help people. I mean, what else am I going to do?

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Also, while there is no cure, there IS a relevant treatment. NO ONE is talking about it really, Trump made an announcement but the media buried it.

French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration – TechCrunch
Well, welcome back, Anna!

I hate to pick nits on the first returning post I'm responding too, but this French study looks like it was only published a couple of days ago (3/18), and included only 30 patients. Wouldn't they have to do clinical trials, or at least more studies to validate before using it broadly for treatment? It does look promising, though, and cheap...and pretty safe. Zpack and malaria meds.
 

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Actually I believe in a PANDEMIC (sorry I hate that freaking word) clinical trials are going to be done but technically not REQUIRED honestly because they are both FDA approved drugs. So, they could most CERTAINLY be offered to those who WANT to try them.

I'm sorry but I lived there are France is actually rather advanced when it comes to medicine. It does stuff you would not BELIEVE but it also hates America passionately so none of their great drugs are over here.

I will take an open label study of 30 that seems promising over lying there waiting to die, personally. But GOSH that is just me... A chance of survival, and it's being held back by clinical TRIALS?

Neither of those drugs are particularly dangerous, honestly and in combination probably not even.

That's why I was so mad Trump's announcement got BOONDOGGLED. Yeah do the trials but if someone who is dying WANT it they should have it.

Just my opinion as always. Several other promising things in the pipeline but this is the FASTEST SAFEST OPTION NOW.

Safer than toilet paper.

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    I saw a mention a couple days ago that CNN was reporting younger people hit worse by virus are "smokers/vapers" but haven't been able to find any real evidence. CNN .com now has this article, the main evidence is that "experts" such as Glantz can't resist using this opportunity to take another shot at us: Covid-19: How smoking, vaping and drug use might increase risks from the novel coronavirus - CNN

    Corona is not a bacteria, but according to this video, in the later stages bacteria can come in and cause pneumonia and death:


    I also heard that soap helps kill the virus by stripping off its outer protective layer. Seems like PG and even VG, being wetting agents may have some soap properties. I was wondering if vapor might act as a means of transmission, but previous concerns that vapor (or smoke) can transmit diseases have been dismissed.

    If vaping has any benefit though, it would be at strategic moments, and more extensive use might still increase susceptibility, and be bad if you have the virus.

    I think we need a little more positive message, this virus CAN be stopped if everyone does their part. The idea we can't is based on ideas like we'd never do quarantines until too late...
    This article was the best I've seen that our panic may be excessive, but currently has been removed: medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
    In it, he discussed per-capita statistics, scroll down a bit to the table:
    Coronavirus Update (Live): 316,066 Cases and 13,598 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

    another excerpt, since it is unavailable:
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    The World Health Organization (“WHO”) "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">released a study on how China responded to COVID-19. Currently, this study is one of the most exhaustive pieces published on how the virus spreads.

    The results of their research show that COVID-19 doesn’t spread as easily as we first thought or the media had us believe ("); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">remember people abandoned their dogs out of fear of getting infected). According to their report if you come in contact with someone who tests positive for COVID-19 you have a 1–5% chance of catching it as well. The variability is large because the infection is based on the type of contact and how long.

    The majority of viral infections come from prolonged exposures in confined spaces with other infected individuals. Person-to-person and surface contact is by far the most common cause. From the WHO report, “When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it was most often (78–85%) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person.

    From the "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">CDC’s study on transmission in China and Princess Cruise outbreak -

    A growing body of evidence indicates that COVID-19 transmission is facilitated in confined settings; for example, a large cluster (634 confirmed cases) of COVID-19 secondary infections occurred aboard a cruise ship in Japan, representing about one fifth of the persons aboard who were tested for the virus. This finding indicates the high transmissibility of COVID-19 in enclosed spaces

    Dr. Paul Auwaerter, the Clinical Director for the Division of Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine echoes this finding,

    “If you have a COVID-19 patient in your household, your risk of developing the infection is about 10%….If you were casually exposed to the virus in the workplace (e.g., you were not locked up in conference room for six hours with someone who was infected ["); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">like a hospital]), your chance of infection is about 0.5%”

    According to Dr. Auwaerter, these transmission rates are very similar to the seasonal flu.

    Air-based transmission or untraceable community spread is very unlikely. According to WHO’s COVID-19 lead Maria Van Kerkhove, true community based spreading is very rare. The data from China shows that community-based spread was only a very small handful of cases. “This virus is not circulating in the community, even in the highest incidence areas across China,” Van Kerkhove said.

    “Transmission by fine aerosols in the air over long distances is not one of the main causes of spread. Most of the 2,055 infected hospital workers were either infected at home or in the early phase of the outbreak in Wuhan when hospital safeguards were not raised yet,” she said.
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    The article you quoted is from 1942. It might have had some relevance as antibiotics were hardly in use back then, but if is of no consequence today. I know of no medical facility that adds it to their ventilation systems.
    Of no consequence? It seem to me that it's of major consequence that we don't do it. According to the CDC, we have roughly 1.7 million hospital acquired infections in the US per year, which lead to nearly 100,000 deaths.
     

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    Forget masks (they truly don't make much difference
    Have you considered the possibility that whether you develop symptoms after being exposed, and how severe those symptoms get, might depend on the initial viral load you're exposed to?

    If that is the case, then anything that reduces the initial viral load you get when exposed to members of the public (all of whom must be regarded as potential carriers at this point) will be helpful, including a less-than-perfect mask.

    Pretty much all of China is wearing these masks when out in public now. Could this be one of the reasons why the spread there has stopped?
     
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    @Rossum I suppose it's a possibility. However, if I can't wear the mask I have which actually works without my work's permission, well.... IDK. We are putting the patients and family in masks when able if they aren't infants, not the healthcare workers.

    IDK. I could put on a mask one of the disposable ones I guess. It couldn't hurt anything. Depending on where I get sent to, like in sick visits or high risk areas with more population (our hours are all being cut and also, we may get sent anywhere now) I would probably wear a mask. Last week, they did not want providers scaring the well child families.

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    On the subject of colds (roughly 1/3 of which are caused by various corona viruses):

    Like many others here, I used to get several of them per year during much of my 36 year smoking career. Almost all of them would cawl into my chest too, although I almost none were severe enough that I missed work.

    In the six years since switching to vaping I've had precisely one cold. I picked it up at a trade show in Europe in 2018, where I shook hands with hundreds of people over the course of five days. I started feeling it the day after the show, but it didn't bother me much until I spent 9 hours in extremely dry air of an airliner cabin the following day, where I also could not vape. I had it for the better part of rest of that week, but it never did go down into my chest.

    Now is this actually a benefit of vaping, or simply a benefit of no longer smoking? It's hard to know for sure, but I can say this: Over the past six years there were a number of occasions where I woke up in the morning with that tickly, scratchy feeling in the back of my throat that used to be an almost certain indication that I was going to get a cold. In each and every case, it went away within an hour or two of me picking up my vape and using it as usual. Thus I am inclined to believe that vaping does help prevent colds.

    FWIW, my mix is 35% PG.
     

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    Pretty much all of China is wearing these masks when out in public now. Could this be one of the reasons why the spread there has stopped?

    Well also, I want to point out, China was the starting point, and like, no one knows the actual numbers of dead, rate of transmission, rate of community infection, etc.

    So it is equally possible China's rate has dropped because everyone who will be infected has already caught it. I also don't trust much of anything coming out of China, either. They aren't exactly the most transparent entity of all time.

    The CDC says not to wear masks when out and about. Whether they are saying that because they don't want The Fear or its genuinely true, IDK. The main thing the paper masks would probably do is stop you from touching your mouth and nose, so I'd think they would have value for this alone.

    Etc.

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    Well also, I want to point out, China was the starting point, and like, no one knows the actual numbers of dead, rate of transmission, rate of community infection, etc.

    So it is equally possible China's rate has dropped because everyone who will be infected has already caught it. I also don't trust much of anything coming out of China, either. They aren't exactly the most transparent entity of all time.

    The CDC says not to wear masks when out and about. Whether they are saying that because they don't want The Fear or its genuinely true, IDK. The main thing the paper masks would probably do is stop you from touching your mouth and nose, so I'd think they would have value for this alone.

    Etc.

    Anna

    If you’re in an open air environment without people close to you a mask offers no benefit. If you’re ill a paper surgical mask can prevent you from spreading it. If you’re well, as you pointed out Anna, paper mask might well be of benefit in keeping your fingers off your face.

    But everyone really should wear gloves. Unless you’re outside with zero intention of touching a single item, gloves offer simple, affordable, and relatively available protection. You still need to wash your hands properly after removal, but it’s a good practice if you have to touch things like credit card processor/ATM machines, the handle on the gas hose when filling your car, etc.

    Just don’t touch your face with your gloves.
     

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    I've been coughing uncontrollably for 3 days now and as each day gets worse I'd like to point out that I'm not dumb enough to continue vaping.

    (I do not have COVID-19 to my knowledge, and according to the news I'm not allowed to visit the doctor prior to being on my death bed.. lol... but I probably don't have it either as I've only left my house twice this month.. )

    Take care of my husband y'all after I'm gone. He's not a self sufficient vaper.. lol

    Maybe we should start making vape gear wills... haha
     

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    I've been coughing uncontrollably for 3 days now and as each day gets worse I'd like to point out that I'm not dumb enough to continue vaping.

    (I do not have COVID-19 to my knowledge, and according to the news I'm not allowed to visit the doctor prior to being on my death bed.. lol... but I probably don't have it either as I've only left my house twice this month.. )

    Take care of my husband y'all after I'm gone. He's not a self sufficient vaper.. lol
    I hope you feel better very soon.
     

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    I hope you feel better very soon.

    Thank you sweetie.. I'm sure I will soon enough, it's just a crazy time to have a normal illness.. lol

    I don't think vaping is good during respiratory illness of any kind though.. the idea is just silly. Can't breathe? Vape! Haha.. doesn't even make sense!
     

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    Well stated, Rossum.

    Have you considered the possibility that whether you develop symptoms after being exposed, and how severe those symptoms get, might depend on the initial viral load you're exposed to?

    If that is the case, then anything that reduces the initial viral load you get when exposed to members of the public (all of whom must be regarded as potential carriers at this point) will be helpful, including a less-than-perfect mask.

    Pretty much all of China is wearing these masks when out in public now. Could this be one of the reasons why the spread there has stopped?
     

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    I've never had pneumonia, but when I smoked my colds and flus took a lot longer to go away and symptoms were a lot worse than since I switched to vaping in 2012. I don't know if it's simply because I'm not smoking anymore, or because I'm not smoking and I'm also vaping, but it's one of the two.

    Figuring out how vaping affects our lungs when there is an infection is probably not a trivial thing to do. I suspect there may well be both positives and negatives to it. There are variables to consider like we don't nearly all vape the same way, there are a bunch of different viruses and bacteria out there, and people have various genetic makeups and medical conditions. Ya, not an easy thing to get a handle on!

    All I know is that for me vaping has never seemed to be a negative when I get sick and the concept of inhaling an antimicrobial substance when I have an airway infection may not be a bad idea. But that's just me and in the end we all have to figure things out for ourselves and do what we feel is best.
    Respiratory infections and pneumonia: potential benefits of switching from smoking to vaping
     

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    I think this virus is dangerous and that everyone needs to take precautions to help prevent getting infected. The recommendations seem fairly simple to follow and probably give you a better chance of avoiding it. But then it is a virus so hard to escape. There's a lot of hysteria out there and misinformation. None of which helps.

    I am not wearing gloves as I don't like them on my hands all the time. I also don't consider them to be extremely effective. They keep the virus off your hands that is true, but if you touch your face, mouth or nose with the glove, how does that help? Also if you touch an item with a glove with virus on it doesn't the virus still get transferred over to the item? So I personally view them as minimal protection, possibly better then bare hand but still not complete protection.

    I haven't really changed much behavior due to this as in many ways, I already followed a routine close to the recommendations. Social distancing is probably about the only real change I have made. The only other change I have made is using Hibiclens to wash my hands twice a day in addition to normal frequent hand washing. This may be of help or may not be. It is supposed to kill mainly bacteria but claims to kill viruses and molds as well. It also supposedly works for a time period by binding to the skin. So may help may not but don't think it is harmful.

    Here we have been under "shelter in place order" since last Monday. This has not been as bad as it sounds. Main change is no restaurant other than take out or delivery plus only essential services open. All pharmacies and grocery stores are open but have changed hours and limited amount of people inside at one time. You are still allowed out and about but told to stay 6 feet apart. Going out for a walk or exercise is still allowed. Even farmer's markets are still open which is where I get a large portion of my food. There are definitely a lot less people out on the streets and not even much car traffic.

    At least the store now seem to have stock on most items and people seem to have stopped hoarding.

    I don't know if this is going to help but seems sensible enough so far. I hope it helps.

    Anyway stay as safe as you can and don't panic. Panic doesn't help.
     

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    Just don’t touch your face with your gloves.

    Our gloves are being RATIONED and they go to the MAs and doctors, since they have contact.

    I would totally touch my face with my gloves dude, I'm fairly certain. I think a mask is likely better for that issue and I have gotten so good at handwashing.

    I actually have my own pack of gloves at home from being an acudetox provider, but honestly I would feel like a tool, sorta for bringing them in.

    Inattentive ADHD is SO not good for "remember not to touch your face." Maybe I will mask it up, but IDK we are all going to get it.

    In any case, not so many parents coming in now the first case is reported dude. We just got a panic email from our director that the pediatric docs have to schedule 10 telehealth visits a day and our patients are being stolen. If they don't they get furloughed. He was really um, emphatic.

    If I lose my job in my current situation or am even furloughed a HUGE length of time, IDK what I will do. SS will shove me on its roster any time I ask, but our bills thanks to the damn houseflood are.... I would almost rather go out on SSDI, honestly after "catching the virus" but what can you do?

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    On the subject of colds (roughly 1/3 of which are caused by various corona viruses):

    Like many others here, I used to get several of them per year during much of my 36 year smoking career. Almost all of them would cawl into my chest too, although I almost none were severe enough that I missed work.

    In the six years since switching to vaping I've had precisely one cold. I picked it up at a trade show in Europe in 2018, where I shook hands with hundreds of people over the course of five days. I started feeling it the day after the show, but it didn't bother me much until I spent 9 hours in extremely dry air of an airliner cabin the following day, where I also could not vape. I had it for the better part of rest of that week, but it never did go down into my chest.

    Now is this actually a benefit of vaping, or simply a benefit of no longer smoking? It's hard to know for sure, but I can say this: Over the past six years there were a number of occasions where I woke up in the morning with that tickly, scratchy feeling in the back of my throat that used to be an almost certain indication that I was going to get a cold. In each and every case, it went away within an hour or two of me picking up my vape and using it as usual. Thus I am inclined to believe that vaping does help prevent colds.

    FWIW, my mix is 35% PG.
    Similar to you... I struggled with bronchitis a lot of my smoking life, and fell prey to the usual colds and flu, which, as far as I can recall, always went to my chest. The last years of my smoking, I was getting pneumonia every year, each year worse than the last. Two things changed- I was much less in contact with the public and I quit smoking and started vaping.

    I have been smoke-free about 10 1/2 years now, vaping all that time. I live with my sister, who is an ex-smoker who never vaped. She was always bringing home colds and flu from her job, including ones that were hitting people really heavy in the chest, and in that whole time, I picked up two head colds, neither of which went to my chest.

    I can't help but feel there's more going on than that I quit smoking. I use 100% VG liquid.
     
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