I went through medical school and residency and never once was PG/ VG mentioned as treatment/prevention for any type of infection, even historically. It's definitely not used currently. The only use is that PG is in asthma inhalers, not nebulizers like mentioned by UncleJunkie, but just as a carrier, not as an active ingredient.
Does Vaping Actually Help With Coronavirus Symptoms?
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Right, I have no idea what liquids are in these nebulizers, but would likely be used over a "vaping device". All I know is that they produce a mist that looks like smoke, similar to our vaping devices, but the method in producing it does not involve a heated coil, as far as I know.
My point was, vaping will be demonized forever and never exalted even our vaping devices could be used to cure a virus that is causing a pandemic.
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It's saline (salt) solution, with or without medication, aerosolized with air or oxygen. PG and definitely VG would be too viscous for it.
All I can say with any certainty is that I've not had so much as a cold for at least 7 years. I have been vaping for 8 of those years. I can't remember whether or not I had either a cold or the flu the first year. Before I switched to vaping it wasn't unusual to catch the flu every year. It will never happen but it would be interesting to see a survey as to how many vapers catch the virus and how many like me no longer catch every bug floating around.
And that's how vaping helped me with pneumonia. I used to get it every spring until I switched from cigarettes to my vape.
You are the 3rd or 4th person I have heard that from in the past 3 months or so.
That's pretty amazing.
When smoking, I had two bouts of bronchitis each year, I have not had a hint of this since I started vaping.
My opinion is that there is much unfounded rumor, speculation and mis-information floating around. Do we need to add to that with a thread titled such as this one is?
My opinion only, if participants would like to so engage themselves, by all means do so. I am not from the government and I am not here to tell anyone how to behave.
My opinion only, if participants would like to so engage themselves, by all means do so. I am not from the government and I am not here to tell anyone how to behave.
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I've never had pneumonia, but when I smoked my colds and flus took a lot longer to go away and symptoms were a lot worse than since I switched to vaping in 2012. I don't know if it's simply because I'm not smoking anymore, or because I'm not smoking and I'm also vaping, but it's one of the two.
Figuring out how vaping affects our lungs when there is an infection is probably not a trivial thing to do. I suspect there may well be both positives and negatives to it. There are variables to consider like we don't nearly all vape the same way, there are a bunch of different viruses and bacteria out there, and people have various genetic makeups and medical conditions. Ya, not an easy thing to get a handle on!
All I know is that for me vaping has never seemed to be a negative when I get sick and the concept of inhaling an antimicrobial substance when I have an airway infection may not be a bad idea. But that's just me and in the end we all have to figure things out for ourselves and do what we feel is best.
Not saying it will help but this National Institutes of Health paper says it also has Antivirual properties at least against Influenza Virus. Probably not a good idea to vape with respiratory illness anyway.
THE BACTERICIDAL ACTION OF PROPYLENE GLYCOL VAPOR ON MICROORGANISMS SUSPENDED IN AIR. I
It has been found that propylene glycol vapor dispersed into the air of an enclosed space produces a marked and rapid bactericidal effect on microorganisms introduced into such an atmosphere in droplet form. Concentrations of 1 gm. of propylene glycol vapor in two to four million cc. of air produced immediate and complete sterilization of air into which pneumococci, streptococci, staphylococci, H. influenzae, and other microorganisms as well as influenza virus had been sprayed.
I started vaping around 4 years ago. I have not had a cold since that time and I used to get them frequently when I smoked 1 1/2 packs a day. It may have a lot to do with quitting smoke and not be prevented by vaping. My overall health has vastly improved from stopping smoking, I'm sure that help fend off colds. Also when Smoking you hands come in contact with your face and mouth, with vaping they don't so that probably helps too.
Anyway....Follow recommendations..Wash hands often, don't touch face, mouth or eyes and keep distance where possible from other people.
It is also a good idea to get flu shot yearly. and Pneumonia shot if in the age group recommended for
Break out those Copper mods and attys while you're at it
Copper Destroys Viruses and Bacteria. Why Isn’t It Everywhere?
Copper Destroys Viruses and Bacteria. Why Isn’t It Everywhere?
Until the death rate for those infected with Coronavirus...exceeds...the death rate for the current Influenza vaccine...(it's now about one-third)...there will be no COVID-19 vaccine...(for me)...
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I'm three years above full retirement age and in the group that's most likely to succumb to Corona-19. That said, I'm retired and able to stay home and ride this thing out. My wife and I ordered groceries from Kroger home delivery today. She called it in and paid for it by CC and the lady brought it to the door.
My wife got bored staying home and took a temporary job with a CPA that goes to our church. The other lady that works for the CPA was one of my wife's team members at the insurance company where my wife was a manager. My wife works about 3 days a week during tax season. I haven't seen the need to work after retirement.
The upside of that is that all she has to do is drive to the building and park in the parking garage and take the elevator up to the floor she works on. Not a lot of crowd exposure there.There are benefits to PG. PG is a desiccant and while that has nothing to do with fighting viruses or bacterial infections, it is helpful as a drying agent for the bronchial tubes and lungs. Probably the biggest threat of the corona virus is pneumonia and the lungs filling with fluid especially for those with chronic lung issues like COPD. Pg has long been useful in helping reduce the amount of fluid filling the lungs and open air pathways. I have had pneumonia 4 times in my life and was treated with both PG and saline solution as part of inhalation therapy both during the infection and post infection recovery 3 of those times. The time both those measures were not used was the hardest recovery for me.
For high VG vapers this would not be helpful, but for 50/50 vapers or higher PG it would likely be of some benefit, but not as a factor in mitigating the chance of infection from the virus or curing the virus once infected. As a method of helping the body buy more time to rid itself of the virus without a secondary infection like pneumonia killing the patient first it might be beneficial.
For high VG vapers this would not be helpful, but for 50/50 vapers or higher PG it would likely be of some benefit, but not as a factor in mitigating the chance of infection from the virus or curing the virus once infected. As a method of helping the body buy more time to rid itself of the virus without a secondary infection like pneumonia killing the patient first it might be beneficial.
I've tried a lot of DIY mix percentages. 50/50 was too much VG for me. I finally settled back into 70pg/30vg and stayed there. Everyone has a favorite mix and 70pg is my sweet spot. Most of the time I'm vaping unflavored and fine with it.
The article you quoted is from 1942. It might have had some relevance as antibiotics were hardly in use back then, but if is of no consequence today. I know of no medical facility that adds it to their ventilation systems.
As for protection by vaping, the mechanism is most likely you’re no longer smoking so your lungs natural clearance of debris and infectious agents has improved. That is something that will improve the longer you are no longer smoker, and will express as far fewer colds, episodes of bronchitis and whatnot. However, vaping has been found in tissue cultures of pulmonary lining cells (no direct evidence in human lung tissue that I’m aware of as it would require a somewhat invasive procedure like bronchoscopy and biopsy) that does show a likely decrease in cilia action compared to non-smokers. It’s likely still better than in smokers but not 100% guaranteed without risk.
Sure, any of us who stopped smoking and switched to vaping will do better than smokers if we get a lung infection of any sort. Vaping through it won’t help you get better faster than if you didn’t vape, but when I smoked I still did if I had the flu or bronchitis anyway. So my behavior hasn’t really changed from when I smoked, and I expect if I were ill enough that I wouldn’t have even smoked I likely wouldn’t vape.
However, thanks to not smoking anymore the number of colds and whatnot has dramatically decreased, not by protection from the vapor, but from the avoidance breathing cigarette smoke into my lungs.
Um, no. It's not going to do anything. at all.
For the majority, the COVID19 is just a PITA. Based on symptom picture, I may have already had it, and if so, it ended up fine. I had breathing issues for a few weeks and a mild fever. I used an albuterol inhaler during that time period, and just vaped through it. I did not once go to the doctor, I was like, "Okay this is some random virus." I'd get tested except like, I don't want to waste a test or be furloughed thanks.
If I am incorrect and get mildly ill in a similar fashion I probably will not vape, I will use snus during that time period since I am "technically" in a high risk group.
This virus is like HEP C, much less deadly for most than HIV but MUCH easier to catch due to the time it sticks around. Vaping won't save you, TP won't save you, homemade hand sanitizer (per the CDC)) won't help much. You are better off handwashing (with whatever soap you have or even none the water does most of the work) to the tune of happy birthday twice, which is not enjoyable at ALL (especially while working to a "pandemic" which is really annoying me greatly) but that's what you should do, That is what EVERYONE should do.
We are ALL gonna catch this virus, the high risk lot should be isolated and the remainder of society should go about their business because we are ALL gonna catch it.
Also, while there is no cure, there IS a relevant treatment. NO ONE is talking about it really, Trump made an announcement but the media buried it.
French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration – TechCrunch
The CDC cares about you? Forget masks (they truly don't make much difference as the virus lingers everywhere) forget everything but why aren't they trying to get this stuff out to every state where things are "terrible" so it's not a vaccine but it could save many lives.
Anna
Vaping for health-- NOPE.
For the majority, the COVID19 is just a PITA. Based on symptom picture, I may have already had it, and if so, it ended up fine. I had breathing issues for a few weeks and a mild fever. I used an albuterol inhaler during that time period, and just vaped through it. I did not once go to the doctor, I was like, "Okay this is some random virus." I'd get tested except like, I don't want to waste a test or be furloughed thanks.
If I am incorrect and get mildly ill in a similar fashion I probably will not vape, I will use snus during that time period since I am "technically" in a high risk group.
This virus is like HEP C, much less deadly for most than HIV but MUCH easier to catch due to the time it sticks around. Vaping won't save you, TP won't save you, homemade hand sanitizer (per the CDC)) won't help much. You are better off handwashing (with whatever soap you have or even none the water does most of the work) to the tune of happy birthday twice, which is not enjoyable at ALL (especially while working to a "pandemic" which is really annoying me greatly) but that's what you should do, That is what EVERYONE should do.
We are ALL gonna catch this virus, the high risk lot should be isolated and the remainder of society should go about their business because we are ALL gonna catch it.
Also, while there is no cure, there IS a relevant treatment. NO ONE is talking about it really, Trump made an announcement but the media buried it.
French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration – TechCrunch
The CDC cares about you? Forget masks (they truly don't make much difference as the virus lingers everywhere) forget everything but why aren't they trying to get this stuff out to every state where things are "terrible" so it's not a vaccine but it could save many lives.
Anna
Vaping for health-- NOPE.
I would have to agree, these masks just aren't designed for such a purpose.
However, they may be at least slightly better than nothing.
If you use them, don't expect much protection.
I would have to agree, these masks just aren't designed for such a purpose.
However, they may be at least slightly better than nothing.
If you use them, don't expect much protection.
But if you're the one sick, it offers moderate protection to those around you. Properly fitted N95 masks are needed if you're the healthy one and need to be in close proximity to the sick person. Not so terrible to have around if you live with more than one person and they feel ill, as their use will help protect you.
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