Dr. Eissenberg got a KR808...

[Belletrist]

and took a NicAlert test!

It's in the CNN article thread. He got a positive result, but oddly no increase in heart rate. He's stumped but intrigued.

 

[simage]

and took a NicAlert test!

It's in the CNN article thread. He got a positive result, but oddly no increase in heart rate. He's stumped but intrigued.

can you attach the thread

 

[Whitbit]

WOW what page is it on in that thread? There's 70 pages!

 

[Joe Camel]

In their fayse.

 

[Belletrist]

i'll link to the post, gimme a sec!

 

[Belletrist]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today-18.html#post1070782

I would also like to report some results from some personal experimentation. At the suggestion of some of you, I purchased a KR808D-1 with various strength cartridges (Cowboy flavor). I used it last night (18 mg cartomizer) and tested my urine with Nicalert strips this morning. Result? 5/6. Clearly, this result is consistent with recent nicotine exposure. The confusing thing is this: I used the device while hooked up to a heart rate monitor which an observer was watching and I was not. My heart rate showed negligible changes during my many puffs on the device (it was one with a manual switch, which I was pressing; I was using the USB pass through; yes I got vapor, and yes I inhaled – quite the throat hit, I can assure you). Obviously I am not going to write a paper about this single experience, and there is much to be learned, but I certainly agree with the many of you who suggested that these devices may very well behave differently than the ones that I tested.

Tom E.

 

[Belletrist]

for those who haven't been following, this is significant because he is the researcher who designed and conducted the very study that said 'e-cigs don't deliver.' i think it's awesome he experimented on his own and with a KR8 no less!

eta: "quite the throat hit, i assure you"

 

[Joe Camel]

Nice find, thanks.

 

[Whitbit]

Thanks belletrist
This is great news! I have been following the whole CNN thing since I started vaping, everyone was outraged at his initial 'findings' .

 

[Belletrist]

yeah, whitbit, i am beyond impressed with the guy. i mean, obv. i thought the study was not helpful to anyone except other researchers, it just proved that those methods (not real life ones) don't work. but he came on here and engaged in discussion and then, lo and behold, actually took into consideration that discussion. and while he'll have to deal with the time/money/ethics of putting together a new study, he didn't sit on his ...., either... he 'sperimented on himself.

i'm practically giddy, lol.

 

[simage]

yeah, whitbit, i am beyond impressed with the guy. i mean, obv. i thought the study was not helpful to anyone except other researchers, it just proved that those methods (not real life ones) don't work. but he came on here and engaged in discussion and then, lo and behold, actually took into consideration that discussion. and while he'll have to deal with the time/money/ethics of putting together a new study, he didn't sit on his ...., either... he 'sperimented on himself.

i'm practically giddy, lol.

Its nice to see someone (scientist) really wanting to get it right!!!

 

[Desertfremen]

Very interesting! TY for the info!

 

[leaford]

I would also like to point out that he used Cowboy flavor, which as far as I know is a name only used by Vapor4Life!!

 

[ALC]

Great to know and thanks for the info.

 

[wader2k]

I've been following that thread....what, 70 pages now?

That last post by Dr. E was a definite trip!

 

[leaford]

ANd here's a link directly to Dr Eissenburg's post regarding his self test:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today-69.html#post1070782

 

[Whitbit]

How do we know that's really Dr. E?

 

[leaford]

I can't fault you for skepticism, but there's a fine line between being skeptical and being cynical. Dr. E has been participating in that thread since his results were announced, he's also been interacting with Bill Godshall, a prominent tobacco control activist and e-cig proponent, who doesn't seem to think he's an impostor. He has posted a lot of behind the scenes details about the study. All in all, if he's a hoaxer, he's doing a damn good job of it.

 

[Whitbit]

Oh, I see.. thanks

 

[Belletrist]

Also--he gave out the data of the study pre-publication.