DTL vaping?

[robertboyl]

Friends,

I currently use Nautilus 1 usually with 1.6 ohm coils and also Zenith tank, have both 0,6 and 1.6 ohm coils.

I want to try DTL. Strange, I read MTL is more similar to analog cigarretes, but when I used to smoke, and most my friends that smoke analogs, do direct to lung.

DTL has to be 0,5 ohm from what I read, 0,6 is not? and high wattage for that, right?

What is the best DTL tank for those that want too much of a complex setup? Is the Nautilus 2 one of them? Can my Zenith be used as DTL? I dont have some subohm coils.

Thanks!

 

[dom qp]

DTL vs MTL is more about airflow than coil resistance.

Relative to eachother, MTL coils will be higher and DTL will be lower but there isn't a magic threshold that determines if a coil is to be used as one or the other.

Devices that claim to do both usually don't do both adequately, or only do one well.

 

[bombastinator]

Friends,

I currently use Nautilus 1 usually with 1.6 ohm coils and also Zenith tank, have both 0,6 and 1.6 ohm coils.

I want to try DTL. Strange, I read MTL is more similar to analog cigarretes, but when I used to smoke, and most my friends that smoke analogs, do direct to lung.

DTL has to be 0,5 ohm from what I read, 0,6 is not? and high wattage for that, right?

A bit higher for that .6 coil anyway. The wattage recommendation should be printed on it.

What is the best DTL tank for those that want too much of a complex setup?

Best is a hard one. Best for you is as close as can be gotten. What mod do you have atm?

Is the Nautilus 2 one of them?

No.

Can my Zenith be used as DTL? I dont have some subohm coils.

Thanks!

The zenith is one of those tanks that claims to do both but does only one well, and that is MTL

 

[Jebbn]

Right this minute I'm dtl vaping on two different devices. One is a Freemax fireluke mesh with a 0.12ohm coil and the other is a elevate with a 0.77 coil in it.
At this point the elevate is a superior vape to the fireluke. I doubt everyone would agree with me though.
The fireluke is pretty good at what it does.

 

[vapdivrr]

The nautilus is not really a sub ohm dtl tank. Yes one of its coils is .6 ohms, but it still is mtl for the most part. For drop in coils dtl is a little different then building your own coils and dtl because drop ins coils has airflow in the coil , so the lower the resistance, the more af it has. You need af to cool lower resistance coils and higher wattages. When you build your coils, af is only in the tank and not coil, so its slightly different in that I can build a .4 ohm coil and with the right af tank and correct wattage, do a mtl vape. With a drop in there probably be to much af for a mtl vape and resistances that low. With proper dtl drop in coils the coils are usually bigger and use more metal for the higher wattage, thus needs more af and uses much more juice. People doing dtl sub ohm usually drop nic levels in juice because they are inhaling more vapor. So one of the differences is you drop nic, but vape more juice. As for devices , I'm not a dtl guy, so I'm sure you will get some good options shortly

 

[DeloresRose]

I tend to agree with the others. Seems like I do read here that many who are just switching from mtl to Dtl do okay with those cross over tanks at first though, and it’s the cheapest way to try it as all you have to do is get the lower ohm coils.

But in the long run, it tends to be he worst of two worlds. I’ve bought a couple tanks described as capable of both and they are completely meh to me.

I can deal with the whole mtl af range, but for dl it has to be non restricted air.

You’ll find your preferences in time.

 

[bombastinator]

Right this minute I'm dtl vaping on two different devices. One is a Freemax fireluke mesh with a 0.12ohm coil and the other is a elevate with a 0.77 coil in it.
At this point the elevate is a superior vape to the fireluke. I doubt everyone would agree with me though.
The fireluke is pretty good at what it does.

Do you mean by “elevate” a wotfo serpent elevate rta?

 

[Jebbn]

Do you mean by “elevate” a wotfo serpent elevate rta?

Yes. I know it's more of rdl but it's still dl
This thread has got me doing a shoot out with dtl and rdl tanks and rta's.
Not far into it yet but all the rta's with higher ohm coils and lower watts are beating the crap out of the tanks with drop in coil. That wasn't always the case with mtl tanks and rta's

 

[bombastinator]

Yes. I know it's more of rdl but it's still dl
This thread has got me doing a shoot out with dtl and rdl tanks and rta's.
Not far into it yet but all the rta's with higher ohm coils and lower watts are beating the crap out of the tanks with drop in coil. That wasn't always the case with mtl tanks and rta's

Ah. Coulda told you the results of that one. MTL rta designs are often quite old. MTL preceded DTL historically. A lot of the older designs are simply not all that awesome.

In general the only advantage drop in coils serve atm is convienience and that they require less knowledge and tools at the cost of a hefty continuing cost increase.
If you compare models by year of release you may find the curve normalizes a bit. Nautilus coils may still stand out though. They’re quite old, but there is a reason they’re still being made. For a long time they were the only drop in coil that wasn’t completely PWNed by RTAs

 

[Jebbn]

Ah. Coulda told you the results of that one. MTL rta designs are often quite old. MTL preceded DTL historically. A lot of the older designs are simply not all that awesome.

In general the only advantage drop in coils serve atm is convienience and that they require less knowledge and tools at the cost of a hefty continuing cost increase.
If you compare models by year of release you may find the curve normalizes a bit. Nautilus coils may still stand out though. They’re quite old, but there is a reason they’re still being made. For a long time they were the only drop in coil that wasn’t completely PWNed by RTAs

Well, after 25 "odd" minutes, I'm out! yeeesh! I feel off.
Think I will be packing my DL sub ohm drop in tanks and coils away for emergency end time vaping.
When I mtl'd I couldve been quite happy with only a drop in Zenith or Ijoy Elf but with dtl the drop in options I have are noticeably less enjoyable than even my least favourite DL rta's.
The rta's I have set up are all a cooler vape, lower watts, high ohms and what feels like a denser vape. The drop in coil tanks are all low ohm high watts, and hot, good big solid clouds but less feel of the vapour during inhale and exhale, if that makes sense to anyone.
On TC theres still more heat transferred from coil to tank and mod with the drop in coil tanks.

 

[zoiDman]

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DTL has to be 0,5 ohm from what I read, 0,6 is not? and high wattage for that, right?

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JMO... But I Don't think DTL has to be done at a Specific Ohms. Just like I Don't think MTL does either. So I wouldn't get too hung up on having to have a Certain Ohms.

I would just Try changing the Airflow settings using what you have. And consider picking up some Less Restrictive Drip Tips and see if you like things better.

 

[My Batt Hurts]

Hi @robertboyl - I assume you're after a stock-coil tank and not a rebuildable one (RTA etc) - is that about right?

Consider something like an Atlantis Evo or an Eleaf Melo - they're inexpensive and have widely available coils at the 0.3 - 0.5 ohm range. You're probably looking at a 30 - 50 watt vape (ish) with those. Either tank should let you see if DL works. (But do make sure your mod's OK with it first).

I briefly tried both tanks before running straight back to MTL. They're _much_ airier.

 

[Tralfaz]

Just be careful when telling non-vapers that you're DTL.

 

[robertboyl]

Wow, thanks everyone for so many replies already.

The DTL might help me. After 5 years away from smoking, I did a bit of cheating and had some analogs, due to friends smoking and ending up to ask for a quick smoke. Im clean again and trying to keep it that way. The DTL might help, as I miss direct hit lungs as I used to do with analogs.

I read MTL is more similar to analogs. I have the impression most smokers do DTL, no?

I might try the tips here, Atlantis Evo or an Eleaf Melo. I dont wanna spend too much as I already buy coils, essences to make my own juice, etc...

My devides are simple. Eleaf istick, iStick Pico, Istick Pico S... I also have some old Provaris which are my backups and never fail to work, an old Provari one and a mini Provari.

I have been using Nautilis 1 coils for long time, just recently, following tips on the forum for something more modern, I bought the Zenith tank, very practical to fill juice up to... and the coils seem to last longer. I still like the Nautilus, the hit is a bit different and perhaps more direct. I did have a hard time initially with the z-coils and lower ohm, but now Im more used to Zenith tanks, will give it 1 more shot soon. High wattage it was scary, listening to that sizzling sound and hard hit, but I think it was lack of experience using the new tank, etc... as even with the 1,6 ohm coils I have issues, but then I settled them, maybe I was not closing tank fully sometimes or the coil life ended, giving it a burning sensation. But I think I solved that, so now Ill try the z-plex 0,50 coils which I bought a few of, I guess that would make it close to DTL, right?

So for true DTL Id have to get yet another device? Its considered safe? What decide you recommend?

Thanks again!!
Rob

 

[jandrew]

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I read MTL is more similar to analogs. I have the impression most smokers do DTL, no?
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In the 35+ years that I smoked, no one I knew ever smoked DTL ... except when using certain hand-rolled, non-tobacco varieties.

 

[P3ch3]

There is no best, better or so, but there are some amazing options according user experience....

DTL: wow, a relaxing vape, full of flavor and big clouds, oversized, open and big driptips, pretty open topic according some opinions and arguments, coils or coil range for this?! well, normally i dtl vape with low ohms coils and dual coil RTA's and RDA's... max VG liquid and plenty water, got thirsty after some hard hits, there are sub-ohm and rebuildable alternatives.

MTL: a pretty interesting scenario... tight inlets for air, big coils, higher resistance ones, low wattage, bit warm and funny, tight drip tips, also the wire could affect, thanks god market already cover that zone, mtl specific wire spools and pre-rolled coils for RTA's, there are also premade coils for non rba tanks,

Also there are pods too, mostly low power mtl devices with disposable tanks with coil inside, most of them last 4 recharges or re-fills, another vaping experience i do love, no bottons, no settings, just puff'em...


Regards,

 

[score69]

Not sure if any of this really applies/helps, but I'm in a chatty mood today.

I like both MTL and DTL vaping. My DTL is on the restrictive side though. Recurve, Asmodus C4, Serpent Elevate, etc.

Several times/year, I switch back/forth. Weird though, I can transition from DTL to MTL with no issues. But once I've vaped MTL for a while, I have a transition period where I can't go right to DTL 'full time'.

I use 3mg nic DTL and 12mg for MTL. I think psychologically I miss the throat hit I get from MTL. Almost feel like I'm not getting my nicotine (at first) when I go back to DTL. Also, even a more restrictive DTL seems like way too much airflow. After a week or two, I'm used to DTL again and stay with it for 6 months or so.

I vape about the same amount of nicotine either way, I just vape more juice when using DTL.

Anyways, don't be surprised if you don't like it at first or have a transition period. Stick at it a bit and give it a fair shake. You may not like DTL at first and come to like it after a few weeks. When going from MTL back to DTL, I keep both devices with me until I've transitioned again.

For some reason, I can't just pick one and stick with it, lol. Good luck.

 

[JCinFLA]

I also have some old Provaris which are my backups and never fail to work, an old Provari one and a mini Provari.

Just remember that the older ProVaris and the 2.5 ProVaris aren't for use with coils lower than 1.2ohms.

If I were you, since you already have a Zenith, some Plexus 0.5ohm coils, and an iStick Pico...I'd set the AFC ring so all 5 holes are open, put a drip tip on it with a larger bore/opening, adjust your wattage for the Plexus coils...and give it a try. You might find that you'll like the RDTL (restricted direct to lung) hit that you'd likely get from it.

By the way, I was a 42+ year smoker, and I wasn't a DTL smoker either (like @jandrew said). None of my friends or family members who smoked were either.

 

[Baditude]

I read MTL is more similar to analogs. I have the impression most smokers do DTL, no?

I believe the overall consensus is most smokers do MTL.

I think it may also have something to do with the cigarettes people smoked. When I first started smoking I used the regular full strength cigarettes, and smoked them MTL. When I switched to the airier and lighter cigarettes, I began to DTL them to get the same "hit" as the full strength cigs. That's probably why the "Lite" cigarettes were no safer than the full strength ones because they were inhaling them more deeply.

Might also depend upon whether the cigarettes used were filtered or non-filtered. I think the filtered smokes had a slightly tighter draw.

 

[robertboyl]

Thanks again everyone. Great tip on the restricted DTL with my Zenith and current setup, I will try it again soon.

I guess I misunderstood. When I ask friends, smokers, ex-smokers, they all seem to at least think they do that big drag on the analogs direct to he lung, which gives more pleasure, but in reality I guess they surely do a lot of MTL too, just not so perceptive, not necessarily to mouth then waiting and dragging to lung...

If I do like the DTL, what you recommend in terms of a safe ecig to buy and do I need a new tank? Is the Nautilus 2 capable of DTL? I saw it on some site referred to as DTL, but others mention Nautilus as MTL, at least Nautilus 1 I know is.

I dont build own coils or nothing of the type, prefer to keep it simple and easy.

Thanks again.