Dvarw MTL RTA & MTL FL (clones)

[Rockford]

Well.... Here she is, just washed and first build on her

First thing I'm gonna say is "Wow" love the flavour! Build was actually pretty easy after a few videos.
I noticed it's a bit louder on the draw then the kf, but no biggy. I love the size of the drip tip, but did notice I'm getting condensation in it, specially when in TC mode at higher watts.

When I went to put the chimney on, it was very very tight even with juice on the 0-ring, actually the o-right seem's to be a little big, but not sure.

I also noticed more gurgling in TC, but I believe thats because my mod doesn't go any lower than 25W in TC mode, flavour is great tho. It is also great flavour in power mode as well about 9 to 12 Watts. My coil is .85ohms SS.

The draw is just a bit too lose for me, I'll order the mtl air holes for it and try them

I actually really like the look of it, with the 3.5mil I got, it's shorter than the kf too. First impressions, I'm totally impressed with this tank. I think I like it at least as much as the KF, maybe even better. Another one might be on my list haha

 

[vapdivrr]

Well.... Here she is, just washed and first build on her

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First thing I'm gonna say is "Wow" love the flavour! Build was actually pretty easy after a few videos.
I noticed it's a bit louder on the draw then the kf, but no biggy. I love the size of the drip tip, but did notice I'm getting condensation in it, specially when in TC mode at higher watts.

When I went to put the chimney on, it was very very tight even with juice on the 0-ring, actually the o-right seem's to be a little big, but not sure.

I also noticed more gurgling in TC, but I believe thats because my mod doesn't go any lower than 25W in TC mode, flavour is great tho. It is also great flavour in power mode as well about 9 to 12 Watts. My coil is .85ohms SS.

The draw is just a bit too lose for me, I'll order the mtl air holes for it and try them

I actually really like the look of it, with the 3.5mil I got, it's shorter than the kf too. First impressions, I'm totally impressed with this tank. I think I like it at least as much as the KF, maybe even better. Another one might be on my list haha

I vape the darvw at 23 watts and never get a gurgle. It could be that you got a little juice in air hole or your tails are not totally blocking juice holes just right. Does your darvw have smallish round juice holes on the ring or larger oval holes? My clone has round but my authentics have bigger oval holes. I actually prefer the smaller ones for my vaping style and have replaced the ovals with round. If your cotton is sparse or is barely up against holes and your juice high in pg, you can be slightly flooding, thus gurgling. It takes a few builds to perfect

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[Rockford]

I vape the darvw at 23 watts and never get a gurgle. It could be that you got a little juice in air hole or your tails are not totally blocking juice holes just right. Does your darvw have smallish round juice holes on the ring or larger oval holes? My clone has round but my authentics have bigger oval holes. I actually prefer the smaller ones for my vaping style and have replaced the ovals with round. If your cotton is sparse or is barely up against holes and your juice high in pg, you can be slightly flooding, thus gurgling. It takes a few builds to perfect

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Yeah it's got the small round holes in the chimney. I thought I put a fair amount of cotton in it, but could be a little more maybe, but it's pretty much stopped the gurgle now so maybe just needed some breaking in.

I have to say tho... it's very very good, so good I just ordered the gold one with some extra parts already haha
My poor KF is taking a back seat for now....

One question, when I refilled it I took it apart where the glass meets the steel, but it doesn't fill all the way up doing that, is that how you're supposed to refill it?

 

[Rockford]

I've gone through 2 tanks of juice already on this thing.... I swear it must be evaporating

(can't leave the dang thing alone) haha

 

[Lalli]

One question, when I refilled it I took it apart where the glass meets the steel, but it doesn't fill all the way up doing that, is that how you're supposed to refill it?

No you should remove the lowest/deck part only and fill from there. You cannot fill it to the max anyway but pretty close.

 

[vapdivrr]

Yeah it's got the small round holes in the chimney. I thought I put a fair amount of cotton in it, but could be a little more maybe, but it's pretty much stopped the gurgle now so maybe just needed some breaking in.

I have to say tho... it's very very good, so good I just ordered the gold one with some extra parts already haha
My poor KF is taking a back seat for now....

One question, when I refilled it I took it apart where the glass meets the steel, but it doesn't fill all the way up doing that, is that how you're supposed to refill it?

As mentioned you should unscrew beneath that, where the base screws into the metal part. The issue with that is it's a little hard to undo sometimes and the little chimney hat doesn't stay put (dont worry just leave it , it doesn't need to be placed in its correct spot every time) as for the sticking tank,. I try to not over tighten it , just snug and if it still sticks, I have something that goes into the base slot for leverage. I have a toe nail clipper, the bigger size and it has that file that slides out and a few years ago the point broke off from me trying to pry something, well anyways that is perfect to slide in there...It does eat some juice for sure

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[Tony01]

I think I found the good hit. Lots of wick and coil close to the top. This one is 3.2mm ID and I don’t know how it doesn’t short lol

 

[vapdivrr]

I think I found the good hit. Lots of wick and coil close to the top. This one is 3.2mm ID and I don’t know how it doesn’t short lol

That is stuffed.....proves the darvw rocks. Maybe that's what I needed to do with the oval juice holes, instead I was getting some over wicking, so I swapped them out with the small hole rings...no doubt, that's gotta be close to touching the chimney top.....

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[Rockford]

I think I found the good hit. Lots of wick and coil close to the top. This one is 3.2mm ID and I don’t know how it doesn’t short lol

Thats slick, I'm gonna have to try those clapton's I have now

 

[Molchi]

I finally got my dvarw, and it looks and feels really good, but it seems i have a problem with the installed coil.
I ordered these coils to test claptons for the first time: https://www.fasttech.com/p/9653068
Now when i vape it on 12w and above (a coilapp i found said 15w+ which i also like should be ok) i get a "rattle" which sounds a bit like water which boils, and it gets even louder the more watts i use. Is it normal that claptons are much louder that singlewire coils or am i doing something wrong?

When i blow into the driptip, it gets quiet the next 2-3 draws, then it starts again, don't ask how i got the idea to try that

P.s. Since the Coppervape is PEI/Ultem am i able to vape "tankcrackers" in it? Or did anyone finally find a glas which fits the 5ml-version?

 

[vapdivrr]

I finally got my dvarw, and it looks and feels really good, but it seems i have a problem with the installed coil.
I ordered these coils to test claptons for the first time: https://www.fasttech.com/p/9653068
Now when i vape it on 12w and above (a coilapp i found said 15w+ which i also like should be ok) i get a "rattle" which sounds a bit like water which boils, and it gets even louder the more watts i use. Is it normal that claptons are much louder that singlewire coils or am i doing something wrong?

When i blow into the driptip, it gets quiet the next 2-3 draws, then it starts again, don't ask how i got the idea to try that [emoji38]

P.s. Since the Coppervape is PEI/Ultem am i able to vape "tankcrackers" in it? Or did anyone finally find a glas which fits the 5ml-version?

I dont vape clapton's, so I can't say for sure, but its possible that's just the way they are because more juice is getting between the cracks. Or it could be that you dont have enough cotton thru the coil. I know clapton's, especially the low wattage ones, are a bit flimsy and perhaps you didn't want to distort the coil and didn't add quite enough? Another possibility is your set up is over wicking, thus too much juice is not being vaporized, causing over cracking and if that is happening then perhaps increase the lenght and bulk of tails to inhibit juice flow (this can be helped , again, with a bit more cotton perhaps). I always get slight crackling with all my rtas, so it is normal to a point, I dont know how loud yours is, so it's hard to say, but if its vaping really good, then it's not really hurting.

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[Rockford]

Well, just tried some Clapton's (Vandy vape mtl fine) I purchased. Had a heck of a time to get them to hold under the screws, had lots of hot spots to deal with and yes flimsy to get the cotton through.

As far as difference, flavour seems about the same, maybe not even as good a the kanthol 27G i was using, but do notice a bit thicker clouds. Overall for my vape style, not worth using, will stick to my plain wire coils.

 

[vapdivrr]

Well, just tried some Clapton's (Vandy vape mtl fine) I purchased. Had a heck of a time to get them to hold under the screws, had lots of hot spots to deal with and yes flimsy to get the cotton through.

As far as difference, flavour seems about the same, maybe not even as good a the kanthol 27G i was using, but do notice a bit thicker clouds. Overall for my vape style, not worth using, will stick to my plain wire coils.

I see and hear so much about fancy coils like clapton's that you would think they are far superior, but I just dont see it. I have tried many Clapton builds, with a couple different gauges meant for lower wattage and imo, no difference. Perhaps they mKe a difference in rtas at much higher power, dont know, but in mtl rtas at lower power, waste of time and money. I know everyone's taste and vaping style is different , but for me, round wire is just as good, cheaper, lasts longer, and easier to build...I would love to test someone who swears by clapton's and blindfold them. I would build 2 identical tanks, one with a Clapton and one with a very similar round coil and see if they could really tell the difference

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[Nailz]

As you say everyone’s vaping style is different, but I do disagree with you on Clapton’s for MTL, I use Clapton’s in all my MTL, reason being all, is because I can’t go back to normal round wire, for me the flavor is superior with Clapton coil.

My coils are around 1.5ohms and vape them at 20 watts.

 

[Molchi]

@vapdivrr thanks, it felt like the cotton was ok, not too loose, not too tight, more cotton and i would have deformed the coil.

@Rockford so far my experience is the same, had to deal with a lot of hotspots, and the flavour doesn't seem to be that much better, but the clouds are bigger.

Maybe i'm just to stupid to handle claptons

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I would love to test someone who swears by clapton's and blindfold them. I would build 2 identical tanks, one with a Clapton and one with a very similar round coil and see if they could really tell the difference
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As you say everyone’s vaping style is different, but I do disagree with you on Clapton’s for MTL, I use Clapton’s in all my MTL, reason being all, is because I can’t go back to normal round wire, for me the flavor is superior with Clapton coil.

Sounds to me you're volunteering for @vapdivrr 's blindfold test, @Nailz !

 

[TraderX]

So I have the Coppervape clone and it works just fine. Then I purchased this guy from Fasttech.

https://www.fasttech.com/p/9652193

It was a great price and comes with all the inserts. Unfortunately, I have had nothing but problems thus far with this clone. To start, the Allen key did not fit the post screws. I replaced the post screws with the two extras that were included and they worked fine.

Then I installed a coil and filled the tank, and juice literally just pours out of the air slot! The o-rings were all lubed and look fine. I can't figure it out, but I am not very happy with this clone.

After some research, it appears that others are having the same issue with the deluxe version of this tank, but it is the same manufacturer Lysen. I am sure Fasttech would stand behind the clone, but of course they want pictures. I am not sure how you could even document something like this with pictures. Here is a link to what may be the problem, but I don't really know for sure. Just a heads up for anyone considering the Lysen clones.

https://www.fasttech.com/forums/9652194/t/2731742/seeping-leaking-plus-pole/1

 

[vapdivrr]

So I have the Coppervape clone and it works just fine. Then I purchased this guy from Fasttech.

https://www.fasttech.com/p/9652193

It was a great price and comes with all the inserts. Unfortunately, I have had nothing but problems thus far with this clone. To start, the Allen key did not fit the post screws. I replaced the post screws with the two extras that were included and they worked fine.

Then I installed a coil and filled the tank, and juice literally just pours out of the air slot! The o-rings were all lubed and look fine. I can't figure it out, but I am not very happy with this clone.

After some research, it appears that others are having the same issue with the deluxe version of this tank, but it is the same manufacturer Lysen. I am sure Fasttech would stand behind the clone, but of course they want pictures. I am not sure how you could even document something like this with pictures. Here is a link to what may be the problem, but I don't really know for sure. Just a heads up for anyone considering the Lysen clones.

https://www.fasttech.com/forums/9652194/t/2731742/seeping-leaking-plus-pole/1

If you put your finger over the airflow entrance on the outside of tank and everything is put together (with or without a build) and you stuck, is it airtight? If so, I see a few possibilities for juice to flow straight out. One is the chimney and af ring are just not machined to the correct height and once everything is screwed together, the chimney top is not seating into the bottom of the tank. A way to check this is to not push the af ring down , just leave it barely into the bottom plate, then snap in the chimney and screw everything together. Now open it back up and see if the af ring is seated further down, it should be down all the way and you shouldn't be able to push it any further. If that looks good, then what about the af ring itself, does it fit in the base really tight? Does the oring on the af ring look seated and tight? If all the above check out , then juice might be getting past your wick tails, as those tails should be up against the juice holes preventing juice to pour in....

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[vapdivrr]

As you say everyone’s vaping style is different, but I do disagree with you on Clapton’s for MTL, I use Clapton’s in all my MTL, reason being all, is because I can’t go back to normal round wire, for me the flavor is superior with Clapton coil.

My coils are around 1.5ohms and vape them at 20 watts.

I hear you buddy and believe you, perhaps I just can't detect flavor differences like that..our styles are close, the only difference is my resistance is lower . Even when I try to imagine why flavor in an rta at low wattage would benefit from multi strands of wire, I draw a blank. Most of the juice is in the wicking material and how much extra juice can really be hiding between each strand of wire? It can't be that much , maybe a drop or two? And can that really matter if your wicking is keeping up more then it needs to? Who knows, perhaps it gives better flavor in a way I'm not even thinking about? I guess it doesn't really matter, because if it seems better to an individual, that's all that matters...

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[Nailz]

To be fair, it could all be in my head, but I buy the premade Clapton wire, so it’s not like any more work anyway, yes it costs more, but not like I’m making a new coil every week.

It can be a tight fit in some atties like the dvarw though, but I make it work