E-cig on MSNBC today
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Nice find! I've made several comments.
It seems like the media is finally telling both sides of the story - I think we can thank the WSJ for that!
It seems like the media is finally telling both sides of the story - I think we can thank the WSJ for that!
Two comments posted, one in response to the "nicotine alergy" claim 
, and then a long one about hubby and I being able to finally quit smoking tobacco cigs. 
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This is an Associated Press article that MSNBC reproduced.
It is likely to also be reproduced in dozens (probably hundreds) of newspapers nationwide today and tomorrow.
It is likely to also be reproduced in dozens (probably hundreds) of newspapers nationwide today and tomorrow.
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Its also helpful that this article was written by Michael Felberbaum, who has been the AP's national tobacco beat reporter for the past several years.
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Its also posted at
The Associated Press: E-smokes gaining steam amid calls for a ban
The Associated Press: E-smokes gaining steam amid calls for a ban
Yes, the articles are quickly getting more factual.
I added a comment on MSNBC also.
I added a comment on MSNBC also.
When are they going to invent the e-comment, somehow I need to break this addiction. I just got finished reading through ALL the comments on the original MSN article and posted quite a few. This is very time consuming and I am not nearly as prolific as some (hint, hint,,, you know who I'm talking about.
Anyway, the last comment made me think-
Well I tried the E cigarette and about 3 months after smoking it, had a lung exray and my lungs were full of fluid. It was not pneumonia. I quite the E cigarette, had a follow up xray a month later and my lungs were clear. My concern is if I had not had the xray which was part of an exam prior to surgery, (my surgery had to be postponed) what would have happened after 6 months, a year or longer. After all, there is nothing that says what causes the vapor, it is a fluid and it is filling our lungs. I feel very fortunate that I found out before it was too late. So YES, FDA should control the "E" cigarette, not only yes, but find out more about what is in it!!!!!
Reply#134 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT
Anyone ever hear any comments about this type thing?
**** After posting, I sent an email off to the gal and asked a few questions. If I get a response, I'll give you her perspective. ********
Anyway, the last comment made me think-
Well I tried the E cigarette and about 3 months after smoking it, had a lung exray and my lungs were full of fluid. It was not pneumonia. I quite the E cigarette, had a follow up xray a month later and my lungs were clear. My concern is if I had not had the xray which was part of an exam prior to surgery, (my surgery had to be postponed) what would have happened after 6 months, a year or longer. After all, there is nothing that says what causes the vapor, it is a fluid and it is filling our lungs. I feel very fortunate that I found out before it was too late. So YES, FDA should control the "E" cigarette, not only yes, but find out more about what is in it!!!!!
Reply#134 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT
Anyone ever hear any comments about this type thing?
**** After posting, I sent an email off to the gal and asked a few questions. If I get a response, I'll give you her perspective. ********
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Thousands of posts here and I've never heard any such thing. Maybe she was allergic to PG, had a different type of infection or it was just coincedence. Nothing on MedWatch, either.
From my research on PG, it doesn't build up in the body, but I know if I chain vape too much, I sometimes get a heavy feeling in my chest. It passes in a very short time, though. If she had this reaction, then she should probably stay indoors on foggy days, as well!
It'll be interesting to hear her response to your inquiry.
From my research on PG, it doesn't build up in the body, but I know if I chain vape too much, I sometimes get a heavy feeling in my chest. It passes in a very short time, though. If she had this reaction, then she should probably stay indoors on foggy days, as well!
It'll be interesting to hear her response to your inquiry.
Ummmm ... something is definitely off with this one. If her lungs were full of fluid, she would have been so short of breath she would have been in the hospital. The fact that she is saying it was only found because of a pre-op x-ray just does not ring true in my experience as a nurse. Even a small amount of fluid in the lungs will give you symptoms so if they were full she wouldn't have only found out because of a pre-op x-ray.
When are they going to invent the e-comment, somehow I need to break this addiction. I just got finished reading through ALL the comments on the original MSN article and posted quite a few. This is very time consuming and I am not nearly as prolific as some (hint, hint,,, you know who I'm talking about.
Anyway, the last comment made me think-
Well I tried the E cigarette and about 3 months after smoking it, had a lung exray and my lungs were full of fluid. It was not pneumonia. I quite the E cigarette, had a follow up xray a month later and my lungs were clear. My concern is if I had not had the xray which was part of an exam prior to surgery, (my surgery had to be postponed) what would have happened after 6 months, a year or longer. After all, there is nothing that says what causes the vapor, it is a fluid and it is filling our lungs. I feel very fortunate that I found out before it was too late. So YES, FDA should control the "E" cigarette, not only yes, but find out more about what is in it!!!!!
Reply#134 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT
Anyone ever hear any comments about this type thing?
**** After posting, I sent an email off to the gal and asked a few questions. If I get a response, I'll give you her perspective. ********
Thanks, MoonRose - I think you should post a response to her comment (be sure to hit reply right on HER post) and say EXACTLY what you said here, including that you are a nurse!
Go get 'em, Tiger!
Now let's not get too aggressive, she got back to me, sounds sincere and said she'd check out ECF.
She said she loved them, it enabled her to give up smoking. She tied the fluid to use of a PV because the fluid disappeared after not using them for a month.
She said she used the E cig all the time but one cartridge would last a couple of days, sometime longer so it appears she wasn't either a heavy smoker or vapor.
It admitted it may be a co-incidence, but didn't believe that. She's back on cigarettes, but says she is cutting back, but we've all been there.
I hope she shows up her and maybe work through what might have happened.
Hmmm... One cart lasted her a couple of days? And was she using cartridges with polyfill? Mine were lasting over a day, too, when I first started vaping, and there came a time when my chest would get to feeling tight.
Then I noticed there were fibers sticking up off the surface of the filling material. I figured out what I had been doing -- inhaling with more vigor on fairly dry cartridges, and probably inhaling some poly-fill fibers into my lungs.
I switched to stuffing my own cartridges with pyramid teabags and making sure I don't run the cart dry. This has solved the problem. If she isn't afraid to give vaping a try again, suggest that she do two things: 1) Switch to dripping or to a pyramid teabag filler and 2) switch to a VG based liquid so that her vapor is more visible to her. When she's running dry, she will be able to see it.
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I wasn't suggesting she be aggressive, although I can see how it could be taken that way - I was just trying to motivate MoonRose to post.
If she was using one cartridge every couple of days, that's less than 1ml of PG she was exposed to per day.
I still think MoonRose should post, to at least counter her story from a health care provider's opinion. There's just no way her lungs were filled with PG, unless she has some rare condition.
More likely than not, her lungs were actually in the process of HEALING from the smoking and the fluid was from that. Ever see a raw sore healing that seeps a clear fluid? Probably the same process. It's probably the same stuff smokers hack up after they quit - it's cleaning out the lungs.
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LOL ... I did, after reading here about that particular post I just had to go and respond to it.
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