E-Cig safety confirmed by Medical Study!

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LaceyUnderall

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Oooo... very good find... combing through the Dublin handout I spotted this:

An e-cigarette user will
need to take more puffs more often, and deeper
puffs confer no advantage for v8 users. Six puffs
every 5 minutes would deliver the same dose of
nicotine delivered by shallow inhaling (10 puffs of
35 mL per puff) from one tobacco cigarette every
hour, but would not achieve the high immediate
nicotine boost which many smokers crave.
Nicotine overdose is unlikely, even though
nicotine delivery may vary between brands.

Also... lots of good stuff on the vapor. Lots to read!
 

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"several hundred times safer" - quite possibly. Some toxins have been shown to be 1000 times less in vapor than in cigarette smoke. But not zero. We need to be careful when making statements.

But some strange 'facts' and logic mentoned : " the operating temperature of an e-cigarette is only 5 to 10% of the temperature of a tobacco cigarette that they are, as a class of products, not likely to produce toxic substances in their mist that will affect bystanders". There are more examples in the reports themselves.

Also, I'm not convinced as yet that nicotine would not build up in the lung, staying in slow-evaporating PG/VG ("E-cigarette nicotine is apparently not absorbed from the lung, but from the upper airways").

A surprise: "a trace of mercury"

"Some toxicants remain to be tested"

Note that the results for Ruyan juice might not be similar to other brands (Ruyan results are likely to be better).

It would not be wise to claim zero/no harmful emissions, whch there is a tendency to do. Better to say 'neglible. Sadly, the NZ reports themselves have this tendency, even sounding a little like marketing at times.

Are the test results available online? Othe than: http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf

The results are very good news. But the fact is that quite a number of toxins do exist in the vapor (at least 10), but in trace amounts. I find the spin in the conclusions within the reports themselves and also in the way they are fanfared is a bit distressing. Overstating the case leaves one wide-open to ridicule.
 
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jtwh20

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"Of over 50 priority-listed cigarette smoke toxicants tested, none was detectable in the mist of the Ruyan® e-cigarette, except for a trace of mercury close to the limit detection."

Ughh, why would mercury be in the juice!????

My first guess would be it is a residual from the atomizer materials...
 

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"Of over 50 priority-listed cigarette smoke toxicants tested, none was detectable in the mist of the Ruyan® e-cigarette, except for a trace of mercury close to the limit detection."

Ughh, why would mercury be in the juice!????
I did some googling and found this: Water quality information- Are there any regulations for mercury contamination in bottled water? So, I would suspect it's there from the water used for liquid. From what I could find, inorganic mercury is allowed by the FDA and EPA in water at low levels. There's can also be organic mercury compounds in water, which is considered the most harmful version of mercury and is rarely found in drinking water in the U.S.
 

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I was so excited to find this.
How much you want to bet, Congress and the FDA already knows about it. I bet they won't say anything, or base any of their decisions on these findings, unless we press them on it.

I wouldn't count on our politicians letting facts cloud their judgement.
 

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"Of over 50 priority-listed cigarette smoke toxicants tested, none was detectable in the mist of the Ruyan® e-cigarette, except for a trace of mercury close to the limit detection."

Ughh, why would mercury be in the juice!????

Better than ur anus being found in it.
Its in a lot of things- trace amounts.
 
While it is often assumed that a trace amount of something does no harm, that's not proven. Given that toxins work on a molecular level, the only mechanism I can see for thinking that this view might have merit is that the body can repair a small amount of damage but can be overwhelmed by 'too much' occuring in a given time frame; which sounds very reasonable to me.

To put it bluntly, if the carcinogenic level is 1000 times less, and smoking kills 1 in 2, does this mean vaping will kill 1 in 2000?

Personally, I don't think it does work quite like that, but we don't really know.

An alternative might be that it will take 2000 times longer for disease to show up, in which case we'd all be long dead already.

When the EPA declares than a toxin can exist in the water supply, say, below a certain level that is not because that level is safe but because it is just too difficult or uneconomical to remove it any further.

If these levels compare favorably to, say, background toxin levels in a big city, then the case against vaping would not be a strong one.

The key is that most vapers would otherwise smoke. 1000 times less harmful is really like a dream come true for all those that are not able to kick the addiction.
 
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