E-Cig special on CSPAN tonight
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Absolutely not, Elizabeth. No fun for adults! And no flavors either.
ECigarette CallIn Program AP Reporter | Video | C-SPAN.org
Here's a link to the full livestream if anyone wanted to watch it. I didn't get a chance to, so I guess I'll do it now... We'll see how well I can contain my anger.
How ya doing with that, Feraloxide?
I know I was fairly unsuccessful...
Kinda glad I didn't watch it...would've made me too angry. Ecigs need a Nick Naylor backed by real science. Hope it turned out ok.
How ya doing with that, Feraloxide?
While I understand the hearing isn't about the potential benefits or harms of e-cigarettes, it's pretty much putting the entire industry in a bad light. So far I've noticed that they're talking about how bad these products are, and then refocusing it on the advertising thing. It's pretty ridiculous. What's ...... me off the most so far is the so-called Doctor advocating child safety around these products.
They're blindly quoting percentages. What people often don't look at is the original figure, and they're not stating the original figure. A 300% increase could be minuscule if the original figure was something like 50 or 100. While it's large in relation to that number, it's not particularly relevant. I can't believe Rockefeller's rickety frigid ... pulled the whole old man thing, "I don't like cherry, that doesn't appeal to me." Yeah? Well I love cherry, so .... you.
jesus christ... i only caught the last few minutes of the actual senate hearing and what a bunch of f'ing idiots. senator numbnuts was addressing some e cig industry guys and said something like "you are what is wrong with america" he was talking about marketing to children and all kinds of bs. these senators obviously know nothing about the science behind e cigs. they are only interested in scoring points with their conservative electorate and corporate interests.
These ...... were not Conservatives or Liberals. They were self-imposed judges of something of which they know nothing about. This hearing was absolutely ridiculous.
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Exactly. This is posturing and hyperbole. It was a uninformed attempt to look good to the self-rightous wing of the Democratic party. It was disgraceful.
Well, just a new member, buuut my .02?
My current flavor: Melon Jolly Rancher.. Says 24mg right on the bottle. Stays in a box in my, so called, man purse.. I've got 2 kids who could care less about the bottle. What they care about is that their daddy isn't smoking cigarettes anymore.. 10+ days free!! No cravings and still have a pack sitting 2 feet in front of me and attend NA meetings where members smoke like chimneys. Soo, let's see here, most members in the vaping community would agree that flavors are a plus. I don't want to fill my tank with Marlboro flavored juice, YUCK. OMG, I may actually puke from the idea..
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Nope, a nice hit of my CONDEMNED jolly rancher juice, and I feel fine.
I can't watch or I'd have more input, but from the last, ohh, 11 pages I've read here, I'd say the reps from Blu and Njoy were idiots, and the government and big tobacco want to stuff us into a box and regulate us. Guess what, it's America. I quit smoking cigarettes, an accomplishment I thought never possible, and I almost can say I owe my life to vaping. Yeah, 10 days smoke free, big whoop. All big tobacco wants to do is scare me and the rest of the country into going back to something KNOWN to kill.
Well F that, I'm going to stand proud among this community and say that I vape, and while still in early recovery, I've got plans to cut back on the mg content and continue to regulate my own intake of nicotine. WHY? Because I listen to my body, when it starts "nic-fitting" I'll take a puff or two till that craving goes away. End of rant, lol.
My current flavor: Melon Jolly Rancher.. Says 24mg right on the bottle. Stays in a box in my, so called, man purse.. I've got 2 kids who could care less about the bottle. What they care about is that their daddy isn't smoking cigarettes anymore.. 10+ days free!! No cravings and still have a pack sitting 2 feet in front of me and attend NA meetings where members smoke like chimneys. Soo, let's see here, most members in the vaping community would agree that flavors are a plus. I don't want to fill my tank with Marlboro flavored juice, YUCK. OMG, I may actually puke from the idea..
Pause
Nope, a nice hit of my CONDEMNED jolly rancher juice, and I feel fine.
I can't watch or I'd have more input, but from the last, ohh, 11 pages I've read here, I'd say the reps from Blu and Njoy were idiots, and the government and big tobacco want to stuff us into a box and regulate us. Guess what, it's America. I quit smoking cigarettes, an accomplishment I thought never possible, and I almost can say I owe my life to vaping. Yeah, 10 days smoke free, big whoop. All big tobacco wants to do is scare me and the rest of the country into going back to something KNOWN to kill.
Well F that, I'm going to stand proud among this community and say that I vape, and while still in early recovery, I've got plans to cut back on the mg content and continue to regulate my own intake of nicotine. WHY? Because I listen to my body, when it starts "nic-fitting" I'll take a puff or two till that craving goes away. End of rant, lol.
When we stop calling our vaporizers e-cigarette maybe ??? Don't we have a forum thread called e-smoking ? And we get flustered when the ANTZ called it ''smoking'' an e-cigarette, go figure ...
Holy S***bucket. What a cluster....
I had to go to the "lab" mix up something extra fruity, rebuild some coils and vape for well over an hour before I was calm again.
This was the most idiot clown car mess of a hearing I have ever had the displeasure of seeing. Absolute failure on blu and njoy's behalf..
I'll stop VAPING flavors when you ban flavored chewing tobacco and cigars...
What a bunch of money mongering, ill inform jackknobs...
By the way.. This concoction of just about every fruit flavor I had available is ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS. An guess what.. I AM A ADULT!
Sorry efc... Had to vent.
I had to go to the "lab" mix up something extra fruity, rebuild some coils and vape for well over an hour before I was calm again.
This was the most idiot clown car mess of a hearing I have ever had the displeasure of seeing. Absolute failure on blu and njoy's behalf..
I'll stop VAPING flavors when you ban flavored chewing tobacco and cigars...
What a bunch of money mongering, ill inform jackknobs...
By the way.. This concoction of just about every fruit flavor I had available is ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS. An guess what.. I AM A ADULT!
Sorry efc... Had to vent.
Vent away man. This stuff is upsetting a lot of people, and for good reason. This pseudo-scientific, emotionally-charged save the children debate is all what is wrong with politics. It's not good for the vaping world in any shape or form. The e-cig representatives had a pretty weak defense, but it only got worse by being given only a sliver of time to have their say, and being downright insulted by the committee on top of it. It was awful. This is not how you debate!
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I had to walk out when the ecig reps were interrupted the fourth time. I honestly don't think I have ever heard more screened callers before. Seemed to fit their agenda a little too well if you know what I mean.
First time in awhile I really wanted a real cig. Lucky I don't have any and I am too lazy and cheap to go out lol.
I'm not too sure on that part as there were a few callers who were happy e-cig users as well as the usual ignorant folk. Also the social media snippets were mostly positive.
Very true. I only caught about half of the calls. I was trying to multitask making dinner at the same time. I kinda tuned it out after the first ignorant one. I was very happy to see social media keeping up their end of the business.
Yup. I don't remember seeing them specifically, but I've seen them on YouTube.
For me, all the hearing stuff was old news as I tuned into those items the day they were on thanks to ECF notifications on those items. Like others in this thread, I found them on the absolutely disgusting side of the ledger. I was also disappointed in the Blu and NJoy people, but also think they realized it was grandstanding/witch hunt and that showing emotion or defensiveness would've arguably played worse than sitting there and taking it like they did.
My take away from the CSPAN airing tonight, especially in final hour, is host asking "how would you like to see these regulated" and only noticed 3 people speak to that. Two of them from weeks ago being Burr (innovation is solution to combustible tobacco problems, not zealous regulations), Zeller (regulatory science is needed for framework to make heads or tails of how eCigs ought to be regulated) and a FB comment that asked "how about we don't regulate them?"
As one who's reviewed many comments submitted to FDA, this seems like par for the course. People want to tell their personal story of eCigs saving their lives which is always a good story, but doesn't really address what FDA is asking for. There are comments in that vein, that I've seen, and I'm sure us good people here at ECF will deliver on that. Yet, FDA is cooking the books on the scientific stuff and lest we deliver the scientific data we know is around, I can see it (science) being slanted against vaping. I'm counting on FDA to go after flavors (would be very surprised if they didn't) and getting a backlash on that which is anticipated from our side, but I think is something that they think will be no problem going through.
Sometimes I think us vapers need to (intentionally and massively) order/vape flavors like bubble gum, cotton candy and gummy bears just to skew the data and make it abundantly clear to researchers that adults are the ones vaping those flavors that they currently think no adult could possibly like. Then other times, I realize it is just grandstanding on their end and that they aren't seriously asking the question, but trying to score political points.
Flavors are here to stay.
My take away from the CSPAN airing tonight, especially in final hour, is host asking "how would you like to see these regulated" and only noticed 3 people speak to that. Two of them from weeks ago being Burr (innovation is solution to combustible tobacco problems, not zealous regulations), Zeller (regulatory science is needed for framework to make heads or tails of how eCigs ought to be regulated) and a FB comment that asked "how about we don't regulate them?"
As one who's reviewed many comments submitted to FDA, this seems like par for the course. People want to tell their personal story of eCigs saving their lives which is always a good story, but doesn't really address what FDA is asking for. There are comments in that vein, that I've seen, and I'm sure us good people here at ECF will deliver on that. Yet, FDA is cooking the books on the scientific stuff and lest we deliver the scientific data we know is around, I can see it (science) being slanted against vaping. I'm counting on FDA to go after flavors (would be very surprised if they didn't) and getting a backlash on that which is anticipated from our side, but I think is something that they think will be no problem going through.
Sometimes I think us vapers need to (intentionally and massively) order/vape flavors like bubble gum, cotton candy and gummy bears just to skew the data and make it abundantly clear to researchers that adults are the ones vaping those flavors that they currently think no adult could possibly like. Then other times, I realize it is just grandstanding on their end and that they aren't seriously asking the question, but trying to score political points.
Flavors are here to stay.
If they do go after the flavors -which would be a crying shame and basically bankrupt every e-liquid manufacturer out there- the DIY market would explode. They can ban flavored e-liquid but they can't ban the basic ingredients to make them. Doing so would harm businesses unrelated to e-liquid manufacturing as well.
Like you said, flavors are here to stay. Whether we can buy flavored liquids or be forced to make our own.
Like you said, flavors are here to stay. Whether we can buy flavored liquids or be forced to make our own.
And to think those in office are college educated and can be so stupid, smh. Tunnel vision has bit them in the ..., they have the inability to turn left or right, how sad that must be. They wanna talk about money/profit making from e-cig business when they get their own ill-gotten funding from um, cough, less than desirable (BT, BP) contributors. I was left with my jaw hanging at the lashing given to the e-cig representatives. I couldn't have sat there and taken it without comment. Someone has someone in someone's pocket and it's all niceties until all is said and done. Don't ruffle any feathers and just let em roast ya a bit. Ugh, I couldn't do it if it were me. Oh well Blue and Njoy have an angle to keep their nose clean until all this heat blows over so they can still have a piece of the pie and ..... the rest and so they sat there like two stumps serving no real purpose for the masses. What a let down. Senator Burr is the only one that made any comment worth listening to and that was about not stomping out technology to quickly. Ok, I've said all I care to for the moment.....I need a vape......
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