They consume the Vital Essence of Gelflings! Hmm! Sure...
*sorry: totally out-of-context remark on a pull quote from an otherwise smart commentary by all others involved... Retuning to my corner now. Carry on...*
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E-Cig special on CSPAN tonight
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They consume the Vital Essence of Gelflings! Hmm! Sure...
*sorry: totally out-of-context remark on a pull quote from an otherwise smart commentary by all others involved... Retuning to my corner now. Carry on...*
They, (politicians), have found a couple of cracks in the e-cig armor. It is those companies that actually did and do market their wares to teens and the e-liquid companies that sell bad quality e-liquids. It is then easy for them to convince and sell their regulations, limitations, bans and tobaco like taxes to the 250 millions that do not smoke or vape.
We wont have the choice, we will all be DIY's soon or we will be ex-vapers and maybe smokers again.
We wont have the choice, we will all be DIY's soon or we will be ex-vapers and maybe smokers again.
What a mess. All these senators seem to want juice to be crap flavored...what about nicotine gum, it comes in fruit flavors too, call the FDA! Barbara Boxer's tirade was embarassing on every level. Obviously she subsists solely on unflavored tofu and boiled unflavored quinoa and nothing else.
As an earlier comment stated, it was a kangaroo court. The senators had their minds made up before they even started. They treated the njoy and blu reps like schoolboys caught doing something wrong. They only brought them in to badger and humiliate them.
In defense of the e-cig reps, they had no choice but to sit and endure the abuse. Since the hearing wasn't conducted like a courtroom trial, the senators had no limits when it came to presenting evidence that supported their preconceived notions.
I think the njoy guy made a mistake when he made the claim that their company's goal was, solely, to wipe out combustible tobacco products. He should have admitted that they are also in the business to make money. What company isn't?
In defense of the e-cig reps, they had no choice but to sit and endure the abuse. Since the hearing wasn't conducted like a courtroom trial, the senators had no limits when it came to presenting evidence that supported their preconceived notions.
I think the njoy guy made a mistake when he made the claim that their company's goal was, solely, to wipe out combustible tobacco products. He should have admitted that they are also in the business to make money. What company isn't?
I wish I'd known about this yesterday; I definitely would have tuned in. Does anyone know if it will be broadcast again?
Definitely, and I think he was rightly called out on that. But like most of the call-outs, it was way too dramatic. Companies exist to make money, that is and always has been their primary purpose. That doesn't mean you can't do it in an ethical manner but seriously, do people still fall for the Goody Twoshoes, better-the-world kind of Mission Statements?
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I know that I'll definitely order a big bottle of 100mg nic in the near future just in case. I might buy a small chest freezer too.
Nothing is going to be decided until Aug. or later so no big rush.
I'm somewhat optimistic that some middle ground will be found between the two extremes.
I have a feeling there will be regulations on advertising and child resistant containers but an outright ban isn't likely at least in the near future.
Nothing is going to be decided until Aug. or later so no big rush.
I'm somewhat optimistic that some middle ground will be found between the two extremes.
I have a feeling there will be regulations on advertising and child resistant containers but an outright ban isn't likely at least in the near future.
A Couple of things that I found Troubling about that "Hearing" yesterday.
One was the Complete Lack of Spine by both of the Blu and NJoye spokesmen. Both just sat there and took the Sloberknocknig that was given to them. I can't recall once did either of them say.... "I'm sorry Mr./Mrs. Senator, but that is Not My Companies Product. So I do Not have Control of what they Do. Or be held Accountable for their Products".
They Also missed Many Crucial Opportunities to Counter some of the Hype and Junk Science that is being Peddled by the some Agenda Driven "Scientists".
Like when Boxer held up that "Study" and slammed them for being Carcinogens in e-Liquids/Vapor, it was a Golden Opportunity to say that the Levels of the Carcinogens found were so Low, that Many were Difficult to measure. And that the Levels were a Fraction of what is found in Combustible Tobacco. They could have at that point Also held up the Drexel Study and asked that it be put into the Record.
Another was on Flavorings. When Is Someone going to say in Public that Adults choose Flavored Products over Non-Flavored Products about 99% of the Time? And either the Blu or NJoye spokesperson could have asked any Member of the Committee what their Favorite type of Ice Cream was? Unflavored?
But what I found perhaps the Most Troubling was the Way I found out about this Hearing. I want to Thank bzeitler for making His/Her 1st post to Alert people know about this.
I for one would have Liked to send some e-Mails saying that Absolutely I am Against Minors Trying/Using e-Cigarettes. But Banning Flavors is Not the Answer. And there are Very Viable ways to Restrict Minors for gaining Access to e-Cigarettes. Like what is in place for Traditional Tobacco Products or Alcohol.
I would have liked to do this Before this Kangaroo Court had been held. Is there a way that the Average ECF Member can have a little more Advanced Warning that something like this is Going to Occur? Or did I Miss it?
One was the Complete Lack of Spine by both of the Blu and NJoye spokesmen. Both just sat there and took the Sloberknocknig that was given to them. I can't recall once did either of them say.... "I'm sorry Mr./Mrs. Senator, but that is Not My Companies Product. So I do Not have Control of what they Do. Or be held Accountable for their Products".
They Also missed Many Crucial Opportunities to Counter some of the Hype and Junk Science that is being Peddled by the some Agenda Driven "Scientists".
Like when Boxer held up that "Study" and slammed them for being Carcinogens in e-Liquids/Vapor, it was a Golden Opportunity to say that the Levels of the Carcinogens found were so Low, that Many were Difficult to measure. And that the Levels were a Fraction of what is found in Combustible Tobacco. They could have at that point Also held up the Drexel Study and asked that it be put into the Record.
Another was on Flavorings. When Is Someone going to say in Public that Adults choose Flavored Products over Non-Flavored Products about 99% of the Time? And either the Blu or NJoye spokesperson could have asked any Member of the Committee what their Favorite type of Ice Cream was? Unflavored?
But what I found perhaps the Most Troubling was the Way I found out about this Hearing. I want to Thank bzeitler for making His/Her 1st post to Alert people know about this.
I for one would have Liked to send some e-Mails saying that Absolutely I am Against Minors Trying/Using e-Cigarettes. But Banning Flavors is Not the Answer. And there are Very Viable ways to Restrict Minors for gaining Access to e-Cigarettes. Like what is in place for Traditional Tobacco Products or Alcohol.
I would have liked to do this Before this Kangaroo Court had been held. Is there a way that the Average ECF Member can have a little more Advanced Warning that something like this is Going to Occur? Or did I Miss it?
What are you talking about? They demonstrated an ability to turn left. And then turn left again. And left again. And hey, look we are riding around in circles. How wonderfully useless.
i watched the senate committee meeting on the net. could not watch the cnn after math. one thing i have to admit is they are right about flavors and kids. i have taken the liberty to work it all out in this scientifically calculated mathematical formula.
flavors=advertising to kids,because/flavors.
irrefutable proof. absolutely unarguable. no way to get around it.take that you vapors. no way your going to harm the chillin'.
don't bother you don't have to thank me. i would do anything for my fellow vapors.
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flavors=advertising to kids,because/flavors.
irrefutable proof. absolutely unarguable. no way to get around it.take that you vapors. no way your going to harm the chillin'.
don't bother you don't have to thank me. i would do anything for my fellow vapors.
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mike
What do you guys think of social security number checks and/or sending a copy of your ID card to companies you wish to buy products from? Too intrusive? Maybe, but that would be a pretty solid strategy against minors who falsify information and use their dad's credit card to obtain online vaping gear. Not foolproof, but then again, nothing is.
Sadly, this would also mean that sites like eBay have no choice but to ban the sales of e-cig related goods unless they come up with a similar verification process, but eh. I'd be willing to cope with that.
Stashing my ID information at another company does not come without worries, sure. But are there any other viable alternatives in between outright banning and not doing anything at all?
Sadly, this would also mean that sites like eBay have no choice but to ban the sales of e-cig related goods unless they come up with a similar verification process, but eh. I'd be willing to cope with that.
Stashing my ID information at another company does not come without worries, sure. But are there any other viable alternatives in between outright banning and not doing anything at all?
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I live in Switzerland, and here they already started with the restrictions, for example, the nicotine is forbidden, so the liquids are 0% NIC (of course I order to germany or uk)...
Wow. No Nicotine? Period?
Do they still sell Regular Cigarettes, Pipe Tobacco and Cigars in Switzerland?
Yes!!!! But e liquids without lol jajaja At least today im screaming in their face like crazy (i'm argentinian..) as a general revenge
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Yes!!!! But e liquids without lol jajaja At least today im screaming in their face like crazy (i'm argentinian..) as a general revenge
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That is the Crazy Part of the Entire e-Cigarette story to me.
People Say that e-Cigarettes May be Harmful. So we have to Ban them Now. But EVERYONE Knows that Cigarettes, Pipe Tobacco and Cigar ARE HARMFUL.
But Nobody says anything about Banning them.
Crazy.
The stakes are too high, too much money is being made off of cigarettes. So much that banning them would have economic consequences on a worldwide scale, sadly. Many things that are detrimental to human health aren't banned either, because most of it sells big (think candy, fast food, alcohol, artificial sweeteners, drugs in certain states/countries etc) and are not all that harmful in moderation.
But like you I've always hated the double standards. My pet peeve is hard liquor since it can way more direct and destructive consequences than any cigarette every could, and this stuff somehow isn't categorized as a hard drug yet*. Not saying it should be per say, as I do enjoy a shot from time to time.
* Ah, yes it is actually, I wasn't aware of that. But that doesn't change that it's still super easy to obtain and abuse in large quantities.
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What's really crazy about this whole thing is: Some young kids ALREADY smoke (either tobacco or the "other stuff") and DRINK, both of which are illegal for minors, and the "other stuff" is still illegal for adults in some states. Do these people not know that kids already get what they want to get, most via older friends, some even through their own parents? We've had many teens in our small town die from alcohol-related vehicle accidents in the last several years. Do the senators really not know this??????
And yet, for the chiiiildren, whatever happens, don't let them come in contact with an e-cig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reason just doesn't prevail. I am so furious!
And yet, for the chiiiildren, whatever happens, don't let them come in contact with an e-cig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reason just doesn't prevail. I am so furious!
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I'm watching right now. Sen. Thune I like. Sen. Rockafeller is being more aggressive than he needs to be. This doctor from Dartmouth... is hilarious to me. There are HUNDREDS of chemicals in my house (cleaning things for instance) which could kill a toddler. Also, I've never heard of someone who went from ecigs to analogs. The flavor thing... *rolls eyes* adults like candy too.. and there are some of us dont even like the candy flavored ones, but some do. SOme people eat pie.. some people eat sushi.. I'm curious about a few things regarding their studies
1. how large was their sample?
2. what is the % of minors who smoke or try analogs.. i was looking over a thread in the new members forum and several of you all seemed to start when you were quite young..
Marketing in general is targeted towards the younger people, not exactly kids, but people in their early 20s.. they are the people who buy things, and I'm not that sure that you market to those demographics that differently (Family Guy, South Park are cartoon adults enjoy...) This Mr. Myers, I am on the fence about.
Overall, I was pretty dissatisfied with it. The Blu and NJoy guys were too busy worrying about pissing off people who were clearly already ...... off. Its like they didn't even practice...
(Please forgive the awkwardness of certain parts of this post, I was writing responses as I listed/watched)
1. how large was their sample?
2. what is the % of minors who smoke or try analogs.. i was looking over a thread in the new members forum and several of you all seemed to start when you were quite young..
Marketing in general is targeted towards the younger people, not exactly kids, but people in their early 20s.. they are the people who buy things, and I'm not that sure that you market to those demographics that differently (Family Guy, South Park are cartoon adults enjoy...) This Mr. Myers, I am on the fence about.
Overall, I was pretty dissatisfied with it. The Blu and NJoy guys were too busy worrying about pissing off people who were clearly already ...... off. Its like they didn't even practice...
(Please forgive the awkwardness of certain parts of this post, I was writing responses as I listed/watched)
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